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    Today, 11:51 AM
    M-Tecs replied to a thread 6.5 Creedmore - NOT in Factory Rifles
    The only statement that is correct is that it is the internet. The 6.5 Creedmoor is the brain child of the partnership by Hornady Senior Ballistics Scientist, Dave Emary and Dennis DeMille, the VP of product development for Creedmoor Sports for NRA...
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  • Lloyd Smale's Avatar
    Today, 07:08 AM
    ill put it this way. Ive seen my mother chasing a black bear off her back deck with a broom. I don't think shed be stupid enough to do that with a grizzly bear. I live where there are a lot of black bears. For the most part you don't even see them...
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    Today, 06:44 AM
    maybe if you weighted every charge but if you don't the ball powder is going to be much more consistant. Especially I a small case like the 223. If you want a change of pace give ramshot exterminator a crack. I found it shot better in the 223s and...
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    Today, 06:37 AM
    tried them all and anymore just use wax.
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    Today, 06:33 AM
    Here is a write up by a tester and comp shooter I got of the internet (I know the internet) the last sentence about sums it up. One of the big topics in the Gun rags is the new 6.5 Creedmoore cartridge. It's the usual yada, yada, yada. It's...
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    Today, 06:00 AM
    my point exactly. I don't punch paper other then for load development. I kill deer and other animals. To many variables in the field to shoot living animals out past 500 yards. Ive done it in the past but a few times paid the price (the animal did)...
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    Today, 05:32 AM
    youd think I criticized your daughter;)
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    Yesterday, 06:01 AM
    looking at that article it shows the 308 only 4 inches lower at 800 yards. Anyone else grasp the reality that that's only one click of elevation more and wouldn't even matter on a center of rib cage shot on a deer at 800 yards!!! Also only one inch...
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    Yesterday, 02:01 AM
    M-Tecs replied to a thread 6.5 Creedmore - NOT in Factory Rifles
    Running the long bullets in the .260 for magazine feeding requires the bullet be seated in the donut area of the neck. This creates issues since most competitors don't want to inside neck ream. They much prefer to outside neck turn. The 6.5...
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    10-16-2018, 07:21 PM
    Gbrown, I always use Lawry's seasoned salt, bout a tablespoon. Agree with you about the spice profile making a big difference .
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    10-16-2018, 06:40 PM
    frankenfab replied to a thread Copperheads in Our Town
    Copperheads are dangerous because they will lie still and let you step on them. I have witnessed them false rattling. One night I went out to the front porch of my shop, which had a lot of leaves on it at the time, to look for something. I didn't...
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    10-16-2018, 05:12 AM
    I ran into a problem back about 20 years ago when I first started loading 9s. I did it on a progressive press and got dismal accuracy at best. Got looking at my ammo and found slight bulges on one side of the brass on many of them. Come to realize I...
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    10-15-2018, 06:24 AM
    Still remember one idiot from Sweden that came here to pick up a Linebaugh (which he couldn't begin to handle). He stayed a few days here and I took him shooting one day. I had a bunch of guns and different ammo and thought by his posts he had some...
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    10-15-2018, 06:18 AM
    you may be seeing powder bridge over in the measure. Ive seen the same using aa9 in a small rotor. For grins try your large rotor.
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    10-15-2018, 06:13 AM
    make mine big and round if reliable expansion is your goal. Ive don't a lot of penetration testing and what I found with penta tips is two will expand well and one will do just the opposite and collapse inward and close the nose off. In all reality...
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    10-15-2018, 06:05 AM
    ruger americans in 6.5 creedmore because we all know you don't even have to aim with that combo. Slap on a bushnell zombie scope and your good to go. Fact is probably the most proficient sniper the military has seen was Chris Kyle and he used a 700...
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    10-15-2018, 05:54 AM
    Lloyd Smale replied to a thread Amputation in Our Town
    I guess at my age even if it lasted only 10 years it was well worth it. Once fused your done with it. Nothing else can be done. With a replacement you allways have the option in the future to replace it and if it gets to the point you need it fused...
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    10-15-2018, 05:44 AM
    Lloyd Smale replied to a thread Copperheads in Our Town
    that's the one I was thinking about.
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  • Lloyd Smale's Avatar
    10-15-2018, 05:42 AM
    yup it surely does that. No argument that its a better round out past 500 yards for a paper puncher. But bottom line for a hunting gun a 260 is a better choice. If I shot 1000 yard comp id probably buy one myself and stock pile some brass. But...
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    10-15-2018, 03:19 AM
    M-Tecs replied to a thread 6.5 Creedmore - NOT in Factory Rifles
    Yes it will feed the very long bullets used by the long range competitors out of a 308 length mag. With the .260 using the same long bullets the mag runs out of space.
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  • frankenfab's Avatar
    10-14-2018, 08:47 AM
    This. Gotta have some grease in there. I use a heaping tablespoon of bacon grease, when I have it. Or butter.
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  • Lloyd Smale's Avatar
    10-14-2018, 07:27 AM
    even my vortex, sig sauer and yes even my aimpoint don't have a perfect dot. Its mostly a matter of some peoples eye sight then it is the specific red dot your using. If you want to buy a cheap red dot the trs25 is hands down the best thing under a...
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  • Lloyd Smale's Avatar
    10-14-2018, 07:05 AM
    nothing wrong with buying one if you like it. Just gets a bit old when some internet expert wants to think hes somehow smarter then the rest for buying it. Heck if I had to justify what I buy id have a 22lr an 06 and a 12guage in the house and would...
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    10-13-2018, 08:08 AM
    I bought a 7.7 in a bar back in the 70s for 10 bucks. It was about like new and the ugliest gun id ever seen. there was a poor old ex logger that lived out by our camp in a one room cabin and killed everything with a 12 guage single shot and #6...
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  • Lloyd Smale's Avatar
    10-13-2018, 07:53 AM
    ya I even bought into that one. Had a 300 win and a 300 H&H and a 300wby at the time. All the press said that this round made them all obsolete. I went out and bought a browning a bolt in it and found it gave less velocity and didn't shot a darned...
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  • Lloyd Smale's Avatar
    10-13-2018, 07:23 AM
    I wont. Maybe when a real new idea comes out ill think about it but a few gun writers and internet experts wont convince me that the creedmore is the reinvention of the wheel. I don't go buy a new truck every time the info center or stereo gets more...
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  • Lloyd Smale's Avatar
    10-13-2018, 07:18 AM
    yup theres good reason why star bushings are so hard that its even tough to open them up or drill into them.
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BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
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