Cheap Gunpowder $3.50/Lbs

[82nd airborne]

Gentlemen,
Ballistic Solutions called me yesterday with an offer. They have 147,000lbs of H-870 equivilent (20mm) of the new formula that does not decay near as fast and is more moisture resistant. This is pulldown, but is done with a new vacuum procedure that leaves the powder almost as pure and uncontaminated as the day it was made.

Here's the kicker, to get that price you have to buy it all. The next batch they are selling after this one is going up $2 per pound. However, it can be purchased and split up by as many parties as need be. They will also provide 60-90 days of humidity controlled storage, with security provided by the U.S. Army, for free.

If there are any investers, or ammo companies out there that would consider getting in on this, give me a shout. I don't have half a million dollars laying around at the moment to buy it all, but I reall want to see this in the hands of American citizens, because this will load a BUNCH of .338, .300 Win mag, the ultra mags, weatherby's, and many more thumpers.

Anyone with intrest feel free to contact me with questions. It would be cool if we could run this like one huge, professional group buy, but I think that would be dang near impossible. (Does Phillipians 4:13 apply to stuff like this?)

Good Day shooters,
Aaron Fouraker



IN GOD WE TRUST.

[autofix4u]

I sure would like to have 20-30lbs of that... But I checked and I also don't have an extra half a Mill laying around.? :(

[JIMinPHX]

If every member on the board bought 5 pounds, all of us still couldn't use up THAT much.

[freedom475]

I sure would think we could do this... there is over 16,000 of us now... that is only 9lbs / $35 each... If we were to take it in 100lb lots that would only require 1,470 of us... lets make this happen!

[.357]

I have nothing to shoot it in, maybe it's my reason to buy a 50.

[watkibe]

It took me forever to use up ONE pound of H870. It was even a little too slow for the 300 Win Mag I had at the time.
Now, If I had some more of these 30mm Vulcan cases laying around, maybe...

[AZ-Stew]

I'd LOVE to have some, but I think I'll wait for another entrepreneur to pick it up so I can buy the smaller quantity I need. C'mon... 100 pounds? Even if I had an extra $350 laying around (I don't), I'd wear out my 7mm Mag (that LOVES 870) long before I ever used it up. Surely someone will grab it. Possibly Bartlett in TN.

Regards,

Stew

[lwknight]

Maybe they will sweeten the deal if there are no takers.

[runfiverun]

a case full of slow powders like this can make some good cast boolit loads.
in cases like the mausers and 308 and even the 0-6.
put's them out around 2k fps.
1500 guys at 100 lbs each couldn't be that hard.
the drop shipping would be the hard part.

[thebigmac]

I'm good for twenty (20) pounds.:-)

[ReloaderEd]

wow 147000 lbs of smokless powder. Plus hasmet charges by the way. It must be at a dock in Ohio? I wonder if powder like that can be ground up like coffee beans to speed up the burning rate?
Honestly, when I was young I would want a bunch of it for no apparant reason, however, I still use the remaining 5 lbs I purchased from Hogdon 50 some years ago at fifty cents a pound (50 lbs of a 100 lb lot). I have used and used it, given some away and still can't use it up. Don't shoot 30 caliber matches anymore and Elk hunting is a thing of the past. So just how much powder stock DO YOU ACTUALLY NEED? THINK ABOUT TI!!! Be Safe[smilie=l:

[Bullshop]

I would take 1000 lb if you can figure out how to get it here.
I think it can be barged to Anchorage and I can pick it up there.
If anyone thinks its too slow for thier use think again. I shot in the top 10 scores at the Quiggley using H870 in the 45/70. I was shooting it duplex and it shot clean and accurate pushing a 500gn boolit to 1400 fps.
Its also an outstanding performer in the 7mm mag with bullets over 150gn.

[gravel]

rough guess of 1/10 pound per 20mm round, that means 1.5 million 20mm rounds were broken down?


I'm guessing this stuff would be good for 50 cal shooters.

who would buy this amount?

[lavenatti]

Who's going to repackage it?

16,000 bags of powder to be weighed out and shipped is a full time job for someone.

[redneckdan]

I would be in for 200lbs.

[9.3X62AL]

H-870 and WC-860/872 made sense to try at $4/lb. Now that those milsurps are pushing $9-$10/lb., not so much. Perhaps one of the re-sellers like Bartlett will jump on all or part of this. $3.00/lb was what I paid Bartlett for WC-860 not too many years ago. I think for a re-seller to be attracted to this lot, the vendor will need to sharpen his pencil considerably.

With a 6.0 grain booster of IMR-4198, 48.0-50.0 grains of these powders runs a 405 grain 45-70 boolit at 1300 FPS and leaves no bore trash. In 6.5 x 55 with 140 grain J-words, a 100% density load gives 2450 FPS, which is about 1893 ballistics--quite usable. 60.0 grains behind #311291 runs about 2100 FPS--leaves no bore trash--and shoots pretty well. Having quite a bit of this stuff in stock, I'm looking around for ways to use it up.

[Tazman1602]

Maybe contact Midway or Graf's or even powder valley inc? One of those guys may be interested and could pass the savings down................

Art

[Baryngyl]

I would probably take 25 to 50 pounds depending on what all it can be used in and what month/time of month it was so I would have the money available.

Anyone have a link to info on what all it can be used in or do I just look up data for H-870?


Michael Grace

[45 2.1]

For everyone complaining how slow this powder is.......... it was my favorite powder speed (actual powder was AA 8700) for the midsize 30 caliber buffered loads. It produces good velocity and accuracy when loaded right. I would take about 800 lbs myself.

[Wayne Smith]

I used it in the 25-06 with 117 and 120gr Sierra seconds years ago. That was H-870. Very accurate, I have no idea of velocity, I didn't have a chronograph in those days. Sold the gun when the oldest was born, he's now 29.

I'd love to try it in my 8x56R's with the Oldfeller Frankenstein boolit.

[82nd airborne]

It is already packaged in military approved containers.

Bullshop, Now that you mentioned using it with cast in the 45-70, Im thinking about trying it in my .50 HP with cast. That would be nice!

I'll let it set for a bit and then start contacting the big places if no takers jump in. Id love to have a couple hundred pounds myself.

[smokemjoe]

One time it was loaded with a cow load and worked good in the 30 Cals.

[MT Gianni]

Good in a lot of 30's with or without COW.

[gravel]

It is already packaged in military approved containers.




nice handy 10,000 pound containers?

[LIMPINGJ]

I could take at least 100lb. Maybe more depending how funds are.

[PatMarlin]

I think they're asking to much for it, with those terms. If they cut the price in half they may find a buyer, maybe. Sounds like they're trying to be a wholesaler and retailer combined.

Now if they were talkin' something like 4895, then that would be a different matter all together.

[AZ-Stew]

Its also an outstanding performer in the 7mm mag with bullets over 150gn.

+100 there! I use 77.5 grains of it with 160 grain Sierra BTs. Three-shot clover leafs at 100 yards. I was floored when I found out Hodgdon had quit selling 870. I started buying up all the AA-8700 I could find. Didn't get much. I'd like to have some of this surplus, but not 100# of it. 8, 16 maybe, but not 100#.

Regards,

Stew

[gnoahhh]

I'm in for 146,999 pounds of it. Someone else is gonna have to pony up for the other pound. I can't afford it all.

[Linstrum]

I used an awful lot of that in 7.62x54R Russian, .30-06, 7.5x54 French, .338 Win Mag, and 6.5mm Swede Mauser using a booster over the flash hole of 4 grains IMR4895, except for the .338 Win Mag and Swede that don't need the booster to burn clean. Also, I could go through 100 pounds of that real fast no problem with my .50 BMG and other real large bore rifles.

Kept in dry underground cool storage totally out of light it would keep for probably 60 years IF, and a big IF, it hasn't been stored in a hot climate already.

rl874

[Milltown353]

I would be down for a 100lbs, but possibly more if you get some good data for it on the beowulf.

[82nd airborne]

They sold alot of it off, down to 50,000 lbs. If they can move some more, maybe we can get it down to a manageable amount.

[roylowell]

I'd take 100 lbs

[Bullshop]

Did they happen to say who got it? When someone is kicking tires in my shop I dont even take them seriously until I get an offer. Maybe we should be daring and make an offer. How about 50G's for the remaining 50,000 lb lot? I would still be in for half a ton.

[82nd airborne]

Thats a good idea Bullshop.

[Milltown353]

If you could get a better price I'd be down for atleast $500-1000 worth

[bart55]

I am on the tail end of the last 50 lbs I bought a few years ago along with 860 ,so if this goes anywhere i would be in for 50 to 100 lbs. my swede loves this stuff along with a host of other calibers

[mtnman31]

I would be interested in 10 - 20 pounds depending on the final price.

[lwknight]

I don't think that we have gotten past the first logistical issue of the spare million-five laying around yet.

[leadman]

My son uses it in the 7mm Rem mag with 140gr bullets. I have used it in the 40-65 with results almost identical to black, including the smoke.

[Just Duke]

I'm in!

[nanuk]

too bad you can't ship that stuff north of the border.

even with shipping and hazmat, 50lbs is still cheaper than retail by a long shot.

[Baryngyl]

I am assuming from the last post date above that this deal fell through.


Michael Grace

[Just Duke]

I am assuming from the last post date above that this deal fell through.


Michael Grace

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[walter thomas]

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[walter thomas]

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[walter thomas]

will go in for 50.00 let me know tiogapa@aol.com

[S&W-629]

This has been done for a long time

[Artful]

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[wgr]

if i did,nt have 48pounds i would invest

[Reload3006]

at 2$ a pound Id take fifty to a hundred pounds. ........ Store in in a cool dry dark place and my great great grandchildren could be shooting it.

[DCM]

Where is the beating a dead horse smiley??????

Last post from the OP on this subject was on 11-06-2010 7:36 AM :o

We all wish we could get powder at this price and would have made the deal but I am willing to bet $$$ it is dead and gone. [smilie=b::violin::cry:

[Blacksmith]

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[RayinNH]

Throw in some $14 a brick primers and you can count me in too :lol:

[waksupi]

I appreciate the fact that new guys look through the old threads, regardless of the date of the original post. I never look at dates on topics, either. It shows me the person is doing his best to learn!

[oldscool]

I saw a sale where somebody has 3 trillion pounds of gold for $50.00 an oz. You must buy it all or no deal. Offer is good till midnite yesterday:takinWiz:

[Chili]

I sure would like to have 20-30lbs of that... But I checked and I also don't have an extra half a Mill laying around.? :(

I don't have 1/2 mill laying around either, especially after buying a brick of 22LR on gun broker. :kidding:

[Dale in Louisiana]

I'll take a couple hundred pounds. Anybody got a good load for it in a trapdoor Springfield.

dale in Louisiana

[William Yanda]

Will they take a check?

[William Yanda]

I saw a sale where somebody has 3 trillion pounds of gold for $50.00 an oz. You must buy it all or no deal. Offer is good till midnite yesterday:takinWiz:

Let's try this again. No, I'm not padding my post count!

"Will they take a check?"

[Jeff Michel]

Is it true that Bannerman's is closing?[smilie=1:

[psychicrhino]

Im counting out my piggy bank :)

[dakotashooter2]

Thats .0005 per grain..................1.5 cents for a 30 grain load.....................