Subject: Take Time to Read This

[Buckshot]

...............I got this via e-mail from another member here and it sure makes sense to me!

Please take the time to read the attached essay by Dr. Chong. It is without
a doubt the most articulate and convincing writing I have read regarding the
War in Iraq. If you have any doubts please open your mind to his essay and
give a fair evaluation.

I had no idea who Dr. Chong is or the source of these thoughts... so when I
received them, I almost deleted them - as well-written as they are. But
then I did a "Google search" on the Doctor and found him to be a retired Air
Force Surgeon of all things and past Commander of Wilford Hall Medical
Center in San Antonio. So he is real, is connected to Veterans affairs in
California, and these are his thoughts. They are worth reading and thinking
about! (the same Google search will direct you to some of his other
thought-provoking writings.)



Subject: Muslims, terrorist and the USA. A different spin on Iraq war.



This WAR is for REAL!

Dr. Vernon Chong, Major General, USAF, Retired

Tuesday, July 12, 2005



To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country is
now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it, that we
have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).



The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are very
few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who realize
what losing really means.



First, let's examine a few basics:



1. When did the threat to us start?
Many will say September 11, 2001. The answer as far as the United States is
concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the following
attacks on us:



* Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;

* Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;

* Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;

* Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;

* First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;

* Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;

* Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998;

* Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998;

* Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;

* New York World Trade Center 2001;

* Pentagon 2001.

(Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist
attacks worldwide).



2. Why were we attacked?

Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened
during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and
Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats as there were
no provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessors,
Presidents Ford or Carter.



3. Who were the attackers?

In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.



4. What is the Muslim population of the World?

25%.



5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?

Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the
predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the
dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no
difference. You either went along with the administration or you were
eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for
political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (see
http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm) Thus, almost the same number of
Christians were killed by the Nazis, as the six million holocaust Jews who
were killed by them, and we seldom heard of anything other than the Jewish
atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no
hesitancy about killing anyone who got in his way of exterminating the Jews
or of taking over the world - German, Christian, or any others.



Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US, but kill
all in the way -- their own people, or the Spanish, French or anyone else.
The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no protection
to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims there may be,
they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what
they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own pronouncements -- killing
all of us "infidels." I don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you
do if the choice was shut up or die?



6. So who are we at war with?

There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the
Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid verbalizing
this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't
clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.



So with that background, now to the two major questions:



1. Can we lose this war?



2. What does losing really mean?



If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions.



We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the major
reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the answer to
the second question - What does losing mean?



It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means
hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our business,
like post Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get.



What losing really means is:

We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will
not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want us
dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not have
produced an increasing series of attacks against us, over the past 18 years.
The plan was clearly, for terrorist to attack us, until we were neutered and
submissive to them.



We would of course have no future support from other nations, for fear of
reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we are impotent and cannot
help them.



They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will be
increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It doesn't
matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its troops from
Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and
told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain to do will
be done. Spain is finished.



The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they might
see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished too, in
that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us. However, it may
already be too late for France. France is already 20% Muslim and fading
fast!



If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will all
vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us, if
they were threatened by the Muslims. If we can't stop the Muslims, how
could anyone else?



The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are
completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know it too and be
likewise committed to winning at any cost.



Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until
we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of our
thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that 100% effort
to win.



So, how can we lose the war?



Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding." That is,
defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their purpose,
and really digging in and lending full support to the war effort . If we
are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to be divided,
there is no way that we can win!



Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the life
and death seriousness of this situation.



Please go to PART 2

..................Buckshot

[Buckshot]

President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation.
Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men between
17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does
that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This is war! For the
duration, we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights we have
become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to lose some of our civil
rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them permanently.



And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil
rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory and in
fact added many more since then.



Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?



No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political
Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a
clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them
out of your head.



Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the
Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us
lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is
because they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that
conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and weakening.
It concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our cause.



Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media
regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps exemplifies best
what I am saying. We have recently had an issue, involving the treatment of
a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our military police.
These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing their
own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out their tongues
and otherwise murdering their own people just for disagreeing with Saddam
Hussein.



And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed 400,000
of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same type of
enemy fighters, who recently were burning Americans, and dragging their
charred corpses through the streets of Iraq.



And still more recently, the same type of enemy that was and is providing
videos to all news sources internationally, of the beheading of American
prisoners they held.



Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several days
have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some
Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses
through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them.



Can this be for real?



The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the Secretary
of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of comprehension and
understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life and
death struggle we are in and the disastrous results of losing this war,
nothing can.



To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner
issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned -- totally
oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any other
country, can survive this internal strife. Again I say, this does not mean
that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means
that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude, of the situation we are
in and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us, for many
years.



Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels! That
translates into ALL non-Muslims -- not just in the United States, but
throughout the world.



We are the last bastion of defense.



We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge is
valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that we
are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds of all
those who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our back, we can
defeat anything bad in the world!



We can't!



If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive, and
no other free country in the world will survive if we are defeated.



And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow
freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the
press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or any
status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that
contributes to the good of the world.



This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or we
will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of the Roman
Empire. If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books to be
written or read.



If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims take
over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase the
Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little by little, on
the established French traditions. The French will be fighting among
themselves, over what should or should not be done, which will continue to
weaken them and keep them from any united resolve. Doesn't that sound
eerily familiar?



Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some external
military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically correct
piece by politically correct piece.



And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown, worldwide
that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to themselves,
once they are in power.



They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then start
brutally killing each other over who will be the few who control the masses.
Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct, about the "peaceful
Muslims"?



I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are
united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now after the election,
the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation we
are in, and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are
talking about! Do whatever you can to preserve it.



After reading the above, we all must do this not only for ourselves, but our
children, our grandchildren, our country and the world.



Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal and that include the
Politicians and media of our country and the free world!



Please forward this to any you feel may want, or NEED to read it. Our
"leaders" in Congress ought to read it, too. There are those that find
fault with our country, but it is obvious to anyone who truly thinks through
this, that we must UNITE!

If you would like to see who this fellow is go to this Air Force web sight
and look him up. http://www.af.mil/bios/alpha.asp?alpha=C

................Buckshot

[boogerred]

buckshot,i dont think the left here fully understands that this is nit a game.they are not disloyal or unpatriotic they just dont get it. this is not a high school football game in that if we fumble a pass and miss a shot at the district title we can come back next year and regain it.if we lose this season the rules will be vastly different next season and not stacked in our favor.this is one we have to win.im just glad ol GW doesnt have a back-up him.

[Jetwrench]

Joe dont hold back, tell us how you really feel. He He :kidding: JETWRENCH

[Jetwrench]

Buckshot,
The link in part 1 contained things I did not know. Seems the non Jewish christians got the worst end of the Holocaust, HOLEY ****, I sound just like MEL GIBSON. The post was a good read, wish this guy could get some news coverage.JETWRENCH

[wildkatt]

To all who would like to understand how the war in Iraq is part of the stratey to defeat Al Queda read "America's Secret War" by George Friedman the founder of the world's largest private inteligence organization. It is a war we have to win and we can if we can ever blast the liberals out of their comfortable fort of ignorance. Wake up America, this could be our tipping point, our last war, the end of freedom!

Wildkatt