Lyman 311041FV chambering issues?

[Silent]

I'm curious if anyone is having a problem chambering this round in a Marlin 336. My 336 grew a set of legs and walked off awhile back, so I'm going to buy another one soon. In the mean time, I'm using a buddies Mossberg 30-30, and I'm having problems chambering my reloads in it. I have to shake the rifle to get the boolet to enter the barrel, I "think" it's the rifle, not the round, since it's not mine, I'm not going to try to fix the Mossberg. So before I go out and buy a new Marlin 336, I want to make sure it will chamber my reloads using the Lyman 311041FV boolet. My OAL is 2.510 as per the Lyman reloading manual.

Thanks for the wisdom :bigsmyl2:

[uncle joe]

yes I just bought one and had the same problems with a winchester 94. I didn't measure the oal (duh stupid move) but my cases are all freshly trimmed and I crimped in the crimp groove so was just assuming they would work. I didn't try shaking the gun, and only had loaded a few to try. I gave them to my BIL to see how they worked in his 336's. I haven't had time to go back and try some more and use the calipers this time.

[Calamity Jake]

I'm curious if anyone is having a problem chambering this round in a Marlin 336. My 336 grew a set of legs and walked off awhile back, so I'm going to buy another one soon. In the mean time, I'm using a buddies Mossberg 30-30, and I'm having problems chambering my reloads in it. I have to shake the rifle to get the boolet to enter the barrel, I "think" it's the rifle, not the round, since it's not mine, I'm not going to try to fix the Mossberg. So before I go out and buy a new Marlin 336, I want to make sure it will chamber my reloads using the Lyman 311041FV boolet. My OAL is 2.510 as per the Lyman reloading manual.

Thanks for the wisdom :bigsmyl2:

We can't answer that ? because you don't have your next 30-30 in hand.
The gun is going to tell you what will chamber and what won't.
It's all dependent on bore/throat, chamber, loaded case and boolit dimensions.

So go buy the gun then load a dummy round to check for function.

[Silent]

Maybe I should have phrased the question a bit better?

Is anyone running a Marlin 336 using the 311041FV boolet?

[Silent]

I'm gonna guess it's a mute point now.

I took one of my 311041FV boolits and loaded it into a primerless case as if it was a real round, and I took that to the local gun shop. They were nice enough to let me chamber the round, so I tried it in a couple of the Marlin 336 30-30's they had there. My round loaded just fine in both of the Marlins. So I wound up buying a used Marlin 336 to replace the one I had that grew legs. I'll pick up my new to me Marlin 336 in 10 days, and take it to the range the following weekend with factory ammo to get a baseline. Then it's on to load development!

[geargnasher]

What is an "FV"???

I have a 311041 Lee group buy mould that fits my microgroove 336 like a champ and also an old savage 219.


Gear

[Silent]

Thats whats printed on the side of the mold block. 311041FV (http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/bullet-casting/mould-details-rifles.php?entryID=48). It's not a group buy mold. Since I couldn't remember the mold number off the top of my head (CRS and all), and didn't know where the box was, I just pulled it off the block itself.

Glad to hear about the fit of the boolit in your rifle. My new 336 has the micro groove barrel as well, and I've run the boolets through a .311 sizer to seat the gas check and make sure the boolit round. I just loaded 10 rounds to test out the recipe I'm using next trip to the range.

[geargnasher]

Don't forget your .310" "M" die!

Gear

[Silent]

Lyman Neck Expanding M-1

Already fills the empty slot in my 30-30 die set [smilie=w:

[Bret4207]

If you have to shake the rifle around to get it to feed that can sometimes be addressed with cartridge OAL.

[Larry Gibson]

Have to shake a Marlin around to get it to feed or adjust the AOL.........

Never had such a problem with Winchester M94s and 311041........:-)

Sorry, just couldn't resist........

Larry Gibson

[Silent]

Have to shake a Marlin around to get it to feed or adjust the AOL.........


Actually, it's a Mossberg 30-30 that needed shaking to get the round to feed. The Marlin I purchased feeds perfectly without having to change the OAL or anything :mrgreen:

[geargnasher]

:bigsmyl2: I thought "Shake" was the type of action Mossberg uses on all their repeating guns.

Gear

[Larry Gibson]

Actually, it's a Mossberg 30-30 that needed shaking to get the round to feed. The Marlin I purchased feeds perfectly without having to change the OAL or anything :mrgreen:

Silent

My jibe was aimed at Marlins because of your question; "I'm curious if anyone is having a problem chambering this round in a Marlin 336" The Mossburg is a copy, with some changes, of the Marlin which is why you asked the question....no?

:drinks:

Larry Gibson

[Silent]

Silent

My jibe was aimed at Marlins because of your question; "I'm curious if anyone is having a problem chambering this round in a Marlin 336" The Mossburg is a copy, with some changes, of the Marlin which is why you asked the question....no?

:drinks:

Larry Gibson

Learn something new every day. I didn't know about the Mossberg being a copy of the Marlin, so I didn't catch the intent.

All I knew was that my round wouldn't feed without shaking the Mossberg, and I didn't want to have the same issues with a new Marlin. That was before I got the smart idea of making a primerless/powderless round to check the rifle before I purchased it. My test round worked great in my new Marlin 336, so I'm happy :mrgreen:

[Larry Gibson]

Silent

Glad it's working out for you in your new Marlin. I was only joking anyways....Just a Winchester owner vs Marlin thing I guess....

Larry Gibson

[fourarmed]

The 311041 (or clone) is about the only boolit in that weight range that will chamber in my 336. It has a short, tight throat.

[sparky45]

Is ANYBODY sizing the .311 cast for their Marlin 336?

[beagle]

The 311041, like many of Lyman's popular designs has be recherried multiple times and all versions are a little different. I had one that would barely chamber in a Contender and picked up a Lyman factory 311041HP at a gun show and that thing had a small nose and a meplat that was very small. Just like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates...."You never know what you'll get"./beagle

[popper]

sparky45 - .311 works in mine, .310 smokes more - same lube. .309 leads bad and is inaccurate.

[leadman]

My friend has an old Mossberg, think from the late 60s' that had feeding issues even with jacketed. A gunsmith changed some parts internally and it was good to go.

The 311041 was designed for the 30-30 lever guns but with the different tolerances encountered in molds and rifles I guess the right combo could give problems.

Aren't the letters after a mold number the cherry number or batch ?

[sparky45]

Thanks Popper, that's the info I needed. I did slug my barrel and it slugs at .309 as best I can tell, further indicating I need a boolit of .310 or larger.

[GP100man]

My `70s vintage Marlin 336 will not chamber anything bigger than .3105" I size/loobe to .310" & all is well.

I did find accuracy improves greatly if I use a GC on even the bunny poot loads !!!

Has anybody got a plain based 311041 ???