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targetshootr
09-09-2006, 07:46 PM
Dont see one below and it'd be great for 38-40. If there has been, anybody got an extry?

Catshooter
09-10-2006, 07:02 PM
We haven't done the .40. Feel free to PM 45 2.1 if you want to honcho one.


Cat

fivegunner
09-11-2006, 07:53 PM
I sure would buy one, maybe even two . how many people out there would like a 38/40 6cavity mold ?????:Fire:

45Jack
09-11-2006, 08:02 PM
I would. wouldn't even have to be a Keith. Even a 6 hole RNFP would be nice.
Jack

targetshootr
09-11-2006, 08:43 PM
I would be willing to honco one but being a newbie we might wind up with fishing sinkers or fridgerator magnets... or sumpm'.

Bodydoc447
09-11-2006, 10:20 PM
How about a nice 6 cavity copy of the 401043? But maybe with a crimp groove added for that newfangled smokeless stuff.

Doc

Lloyd Smale
09-12-2006, 05:16 AM
tell you what boys I shot alot of .40s in my 646 and a few bottom feeders and theres one bullet that shines far about the rest in accuarcy in that caliber and thats the lyman 2660654 its a 150 grain swc that looks like the lyman 200 swc for the 45 acps. This bullet flat shoots! If someone honchoed a buy in that bullet id be up for 3 of them. Id also like to see a round nose 150 without a shoulder for fast loading with moon clips and would take 3 of them too.

45 2.1
09-12-2006, 06:56 AM
tell you what boys I shot alot of .40s in my 646 and a few bottom feeders and theres one bullet that shines far about the rest in accuarcy in that caliber and thats the lyman 2660654 its a 150 grain swc that looks like the lyman 200 swc for the 45 acps. This bullet flat shoots! If someone honchoed a buy in that bullet id be up for 3 of them. Id also like to see a round nose 150 without a shoulder for fast loading with moon clips and would take 3 of them too.

How about some samples Lloyd.

405WIN
09-20-2006, 12:12 AM
I would buy a Mold for my 38-40. Count me in if you do one.

BluesBear
09-20-2006, 11:54 AM
And it would be great for those with 610 revolvers too.

If it's a real Catshooter/Keith I'd buy one.

Lloyd Smale
09-20-2006, 07:00 PM
I got some kieths out of a custom mold that a buddy had done they shot real well in my 610 but were a pain to load with the moon clips and to me anyway if i cant drop in clips it aint much good in the 610 or 646. The lyman 150 is more rounded and goes in alot easier.
And it would be great for those with 610 revolvers too.

If it's a real Catshooter/Keith I'd buy one.

Glen
09-21-2006, 10:07 AM
I've got a .40 cal Keith-style SWC that I had Mountain Molds make up for me, using Keith's original design criteria. I shoot it in both the Herters .401 Powermag and the S&W 610 revolvers. It shoots just fine (although it has to be sized very differently for the two different cartridges). I sent some of these in with the other Keith SWCs I donated for measurements to be taken for the various group buys (.32, .38, .40, .41, .44 and .45). So, somebody has example bullets to work from. If another example bullet is needed, I can provide it.

45 2.1
09-21-2006, 12:14 PM
I've got a .40 cal Keith-style SWC that I had Mountain Molds make up for me, using Keith's original design criteria. I shoot it in both the Herters .401 Powermag and the S&W 610 revolvers. It shoots just fine (although it has to be sized very differently for the two different cartridges). I sent some of these in with the other Keith SWCs I donated for measurements to be taken for the various group buys (.32, .38, .40, .41, .44 and .45). So, somebody has example bullets to work from. If another example bullet is needed, I can provide it.

No need Glenn, I still have your samples. The problem with this is Keith (to my knowledge) didn't design any for this caliber. I believe the early work with SWC designs was done by Gordon Boser (sp) for a 40 that used cut down 405 Win. brass. I believe these were prior to Keiths designs also, so he had access to them. They would work fine for the straight walled cartridges, but not to well for the 38-40.

Glen
09-21-2006, 12:41 PM
You're absolutely right 45 2.1, that's why I called that bullet a "Keith-style" SWC instead of a Keith SWC. I designed that bullet, using the criteria that Elmer outlined in his 1936 "Sixguns Cartridges and Loads". IF Keith had designed a SWC for the .38-40, I believe that it would have looked a lot like the bullet you have in your possession.

45 2.1
09-21-2006, 12:53 PM
Bosers SWC designs were the Lyman 40188 and the 401452. Does anyone have these?

Glen
09-21-2006, 01:24 PM
I have both (the 40388 in HP form). For pictures of both, see:

http://www.gunblast.com/Fryxell_Herters401.htm

The 40388 HP is the bullet on the left in the first bullet picture, and the Boser SWC (401452) is the middle bullet in the first bullet picture.

PS -- the Boser SWC came about after Keith designed his SWCs in 1928-1930

BluesBear
09-22-2006, 07:28 AM
Bosers SWC designs were the Lyman 40188 and the 401452. Does anyone have these?I have scans of an old catalogue showing them.

45Jack
09-26-2006, 03:09 PM
didn't Lyman (ideal?) have a GC .38-40 mold years ago. Can you even get .40 caliber gas checks?
jack

only1asterisk
09-30-2006, 04:07 PM
Bear,

It's good to see you around. I don't post here much, but I stop by on a regular basis.

I'd be good for a 38-40 bullet, but many guns out there need the nose length kept moderate. Others like the S&W 610, Herters Powermags, and the various Ruger limited production and customs could take a full lenght nose.

I'd be in for two designs. One a 185-210 grain roundnose flatpoint for 38-40 rifles and SAA revolvers that could also be loaded in the 10mm autos when seated past the crimp groove and taper crimped on the front band. The other a full blown 230+grain .403" Catshooter/Keith for the long cylinder revolvers.

David

warriorsociologist
02-12-2007, 03:18 AM
One a 185-210 grain roundnose flatpoint for 38-40 rifles and SAA revolvers that could also be loaded in the 10mm autos when seated past the crimp groove and taper crimped on the front band.
David

I'm reviving this thread as I would really like to see something like this. A 6-cavity mould that would roughly duplicate Beartooth's 200gr. WFN or a slightly-modified Kieth-style would be just the ticket for heavy 10mm. I'd be in for one of these in a heartbeat.

only1asterisk
03-08-2007, 01:17 AM
There is a new thread: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=13998

I hope it amounts to something.

David

Catshooter
03-08-2007, 08:38 PM
Y'all might want to look at my "Your guys are in for it now" thread.[smilie=1: :drinks:


Cat

only1asterisk
03-16-2007, 03:07 PM
The .403 Keith group buy is here:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=14344

BluesBear
03-24-2007, 12:39 AM
Perhaps LAH can tell us what mould he used for his Dry Creek 401-200.
I never used that particular boolit but his .44 SWC were some of the best I ever used.
I really miss that operation.

only1asterisk
03-24-2007, 03:23 PM
That's an honest to goodness Keith, but I don't recognize the make of the mold. I'll ask.

David

BluesBear
03-24-2007, 03:49 PM
The closest I can find is the old Lyman #401452.