Cali Folks Anyone live between Truckie and Yuba City

[Just Duke]

The wife and I are looking for two place to reside. Montana and looks like North Eastern Cali in the mountains there.
Can anyone chime in that lives or had lived there? Just east of Grass Valley California. We founds quite a few 10 acre homes with horse property there that backs up to the mountains.
We are both board stiff with Vegas as we are not gamblers, drinkers or conisuers of controlled substances.
TIA,
Duke and Buffalo Barbie

How bad are the gun laws there? My Brother told me that the Government says the states can't make up there own gun laws. So did this ever apply? I'm stocking up on M14's anyway just in case.

[Just Duke]

Also I was told that there's pig hunting in that area. YUMM!!!

[Rock]

How bad are California Gun Laws? That depends on the level of freedom you expect, and the firearms that you own.

As of January 2011 Californians can no longer purchase handgun ammo by mail or internet or telephone. Handgun ammo must be purchased face to face from a locked case and your drivers license and thumb print must be collected by the seller.

Concealed Carry Permits are not issued by many counties unless you are famous.
Read here: http://www.calccw.com/

Black rifles: California is phobic about black rifles and has passed laws to ban features that appear evil in the eyes of the legislators. This has created a morass of regulations that defy explanation and AR owners are encouraged to carry a printed flowchart that explains the legality of the firearm that they own. http://www.calguns.net/

Income taxes: High
Gasoline Cost: High
Property taxes: Medium
Building permits: High
Restrictive use rules: Very High (worse in some localities than others)
Weather: Awesome
Scenery: Awesome
Hunting/Fishing Regulations: Heavy/expensive
Lead: Wheel weights banned, ammo possession is a crime in some areas if hunting

[ph4570]

A very good synopsis by Rock.

I am working towards escape velocity from Calif to Oregon.

[Just Duke]

ammo possession is a crime in some areas if hunting

Thanks for the replies guys.
Can you elaborate on this Rock? :holysheep
M14's seem to be Cali friendly as long as there's no flash suppressor and has a muzzle brake.

[ph4570]

Lead boolit ammo is banned in areas where condors are roosting. The fools claim the condors eat gut piles and if lead boolits are used the codors MAY eat the boolits and become quite ill. Last I looked into it there was no proof that such events had taken place.

[Just Duke]

Why not just eat the Condors? They probably taste like Spotted Owl.

[Just Duke]

So if I was in the Sierra Nevada's on a horse with a levergun in the scabbard and a six shooter on my side would some nazi want to charge me with something? This cali gun problem is a load of %#&$.
In Az I would walk down to the movie theatre with a gun on or ride my horse to Walmart with gun in scabbard and a 1911 in a cowboy rig.

[Just Duke]

Lead boolit ammo is banned in areas where condors are roosting. The fools claim the condors eat gut piles and if lead boolits are used the codors MAY eat the boolits and become quite ill. Last I looked into it there was no proof that such events had taken place.

Thanks for your reply also sir.

[ph4570]

Or Bar-B-Que the fools that invented a reason for the ban -- but that would probably taste like ....

[Just Duke]

Or Bar-B-Que the fools that invented a reason for the ban -- but that would probably taste like ....


:takinWiz:

[Rock]

Lead ammo ban: This is applicable (currently) when hunting within the theoretical range of the Condor. The oddity is that you may be hunting with a .270 using bronze legal bullets, but if you have lead .22 rimfire rounds in your possession while hunting you committed a crime even if you do not have a rifle that shoots those lead rounds.

There is a movement to ban all lead ammo in California.

There is currently legislation to ban open carry in California.

[Harter66]

As a central western Nevada Desert Rat , I totally get wanting out of Vegas but Cali ? I followed a woman to the central valley a while back , you couldn't drag me back with a fleet of Freightliners. You get to pay for everything ,even pulic access. $20 a day to shoot unless your a member 5hen it just $10 a day. Hated every minute I was there if you want to stay close to town maybe look at the east slope of the Seirras , Carson ,Minden , even the Smith Valleys.

[JIMinPHX]

In Az I would walk down to the movie theatre with a gun on or ride my horse to Walmart with gun in scabbard and a 1911 in a cowboy rig.

Have you considered moving to some place like Show low, Prescott, or Wickenburg? There's plenty of room for horses there...cowboys with 6-guns too.

[Just Duke]

Have you considered moving to some place like Show low, Prescott, or Wickenburg? There's plenty of room for horses there...cowboys with 6-guns too.

Sure have! Let me also add Concho and Snow-Flake (my buddy married into the Flake family)
The other side of me needs to have some access to a social scene along with some sort of culture from time to time.
Az. my home state as I refer to...well ......not much in the way of a social scene unless your a golfer living in Scottsdale or a cotton head. (Hate the game by the way. )
That grass valley area gives me quick access to many metropolitian area's i.e. Sacramento, Stockton, Oakland etc......

I'm really frustrated about moving to a place that violates my constitutional rights as Cali does but also gives me an incredible social scene which I have none now.
It's almost like moving to a third world country as far as I see it. Except I'll be ..............................unarmed.. :(

[Just Duke]

Lead ammo ban: This is applicable (currently) when hunting within the theoretical range of the Condor. The oddity is that you may be hunting with a .270 using bronze legal bullets, but if you have lead .22 rimfire rounds in your possession while hunting you committed a crime even if you do not have a rifle that shoots those lead rounds.

There is a movement to ban all lead ammo in California.

There is currently legislation to ban open carry in California.


http://www.nraila.org/legislation/read.aspx?id=5989

Such hipocrates...
Cali has prospered for the last 60 years making war material and Shoot-Em Ups for the Movies. :Fire: :roll: ALL GUN RELATED

Thanks for your reply Rock.

[autofix4u]

Well I have an uncle that lives in Yuba City, and my Grandparets still own a summer house near there. (Chico i think). About 2 years ago Uncle Ben brought most (all but 2) of his massive gun collection and all of his ammo & reloading cupplies back to Missouri and stored then at his cabin. He comes out 3-4 times a year to visit famliy and hunt here any how, and says the hunting in northern Cali is "not what it once was".

[stephen perry]

California might not like you.

[Just Duke]

California might not like you.

Go buy an AR-15 today. Well I can! lol

[9.3X62AL]

California DEFINITELY doesn't like me, and they can deal with it. I live and hunt in a condor-cuddling area, and varmint-hunt extensively with cast and lead-core jacketed bullets. I also bird-hunt with lead shot. As far as I know, that remains legal to do. Deer hunting must be done with non-lead bullets, and I have Barnes bullets loaded and ready for the D-8 Zone in 6.5 x 55 and 41 Magnum.

California is burdened deeply with Cal-Berzerkley graduates or similar feral species that ride roughshod over the rights of citizens with their collectivist revisionism and moonbeam social policies. Prepare to be permanently pissed off and be willing to fight tooth and nail for basic rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution--and to hear constant criticism from residents of other states who DON'T HAVE A FARKING CLUE about living here. If that's all OK with you, by all means move here--one more right-thinking gun owner is always welcome.

[Just Duke]

California DEFINITELY doesn't like me, and they can deal with it. I live and hunt in a condor-cuddling area, and varmint-hunt extensively with cast and lead-core jacketed bullets. I also bird-hunt with lead shot. As far as I know, that remains legal to do. Deer hunting must be done with non-lead bullets, and I have Barnes bullets loaded and ready for the D-8 Zone in 6.5 x 55 and 41 Magnum.

California is burdened deeply with Cal-Berzerkley graduates or similar feral species that ride roughshod over the rights of citizens with their collectivist revisionism and moonbeam social policies. Prepare to be permanently pissed off and be willing to fight tooth and nail for basic rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution--and to hear constant criticism from residents of other states who DON'T HAVE A FARKING CLUE about living here. If that's all OK with you, by all means move here--one more right-thinking gun owner is always welcome.

Thanks Al. Well said too!

[knifemaker]

Duke;

The anti gun laws are not as severe as some of these members have made it out to be. They may reside in Southern CA. where a lot of local anti gun laws are in place that do not apply to us northern Ca. boys. Yes! if you went horse back riding, you can pack a loaded gun in a holster on your hip and a rifle in the scabbard on the horse. Same thing while fishing.

As I mentioned in the PM I sent you, the county your are looking at and the surrounding counties are very liberal on CCW permits. The local sheriffs are more pro gun then anti gun as they are in Southern CA. We are also not in the condor range and you can use lead bullets for hunting.

I even have a 50 yard shooting range on my property nex to the garage and shoot several times a week. Can not do that in Southern CA. We even have a FREE public shooting range that goes out to 400 yards near Beale AFB that is about a 20 minute drive from Grass valley.

Now I did it, more of those Southern Kali boys will be moving up.

Duke, I looked at that property listing you linked too, that property is located about 2 miles from that Free public range. That area is also noted for very good turkey hunting. It will be on the border of Nevada and Yuba county and a great place to live. I used to patrol that area when I was with the Sheriff's dept. Very low crime rate.

[stephen perry]

Although I agree with 9.3 about California's liberal politicians infringing on our long standing shooting and hunting good fortunes here most us find ways to be alone and enjoy Mother Nature. I can drive an hour camp out over night and shoot chuckar, quail, dove unload my armory of Cast rifles without nobody knowing I was there.

All this legislation people talk about has to get past the voters and courts. The NRA and CRPA do a good job of keeping Sportsman and their families abreast of what's going on in Sacramento. The black gun scare is not a scare anybody owning a black gun keeps it and they shoot them regularly.

I'd be willing to say I hunt, shoot, and fish more than most of the Posters on any Forum. I've never been bothered in the field. Very seldom see anybody except at the Range. I could be happy living in Australia I don't need company.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR

[JJC]

Good decision. I trucked in and out of there for a long time and hated just about everything. The place is beautiful especially the northern part, but the laws and people....

[JJC]

Well most of the people I did not care for. There are some good people

[AZ-Stew]

Ever consider Utah? I have friends there that I stopped to see on the way back from the 2010 Nevada Cast Boolit Shoot. It's beautiful, has lots o' game and the Salt Lake area (and suburbs) has the culture you want. Liberal gun laws. I think the taxes are reasonable, too. Look around. You might find something you like.

Regards,

Stew

[HeavyMetal]

Duke:

I've lived in California since 1959, only reasn I came here is my parents dragged me! Lived in Northern California and, in the 50's and 60's, it was an excellent place to grow up!

However back in the day jobs were scarce and handed down from father to son! Now the area is so built up I don't even recognize it when I visit family for the holidays!

Lived in So Cal since 1971 only reason I came here is for the money! Only reason I stay is I can't do what I do for the same cash flow any where else!

Working toward a retirement fund that will support my dream life still some where other than here!

I figure you and the wife have decided to go somewhere else and, honestly, that is the best decision you've ever made!

Lots of nice area in Northern Nevada as well as several other northern states.

Good luck on the move.

[Just Duke]

Ever consider Utah? I have friends there that I stopped to see on the way back from the 2010 Nevada Cast Boolit Shoot. It's beautiful, has lots o' game and the Salt Lake area (and suburbs) has the culture you want. Liberal gun laws. I think the taxes are reasonable, too. Look around. You might find something you like.

Regards,

Stew

Stew, Is the pit still open for shooting out off Power Road?
Girls still out at the river?
Rio Salado gun range still open?
Did Kovack's Corner ever open back up? My buddy Wes and I would ride up there for fried chicken dinner in the early "90".

[Just Duke]

Ever consider Utah?

Regards,

Stew

Oh my! I'm a little to wild for that bunch. Just what I've been told.
Also looked at South Eastern Missouri. Very pretty and some smokin deals on farms. I just don't want to go back to the midwest again. Again I'm a little to wild for the locals. (check my profile ;))

Check out this place with 3 trout ponds http://www.usamls.net/bakerrealty/default.asp?content=expanded&search_content=results&this_format=1&mls_number=103785&page=22&query_id=99897637&sortby=1 for $249.000

Here's one with 219 acres for 300 http://www.usamls.net/bakerrealty/default.asp?content=expanded&search_content=results&this_format=1&mls_number=103785&page=22&query_id=99897637&sortby=1

Smokin deals


http://www.tennesseeland.com/farm/1576/1576.htm

http://www.unitedcountry.com/Search06/SearchViewProperty.asp?SID=85604976&Item=720077&Lcnt=&Page=1&Office=41099&No=41099-20320&AU=N&FT=P

4BD, 2BA HOME, BUILDINGS, 2 AC, UPTO 240 AC AVAILA Listing Number: 41099-20320 Price: $165,000.00
http://www.unitedcountry.com/Search06/SearchViewProperty.asp?SID=85604976&Item=720077&Lcnt=&Page=1&Office=41099&No=41099-20320&AU=N&FT=P

[stephen perry]

I am working toward my retirement area. My chosen area is Raton, New Mexico. I shoot there several times a year and the plus my wife likes the area. The area NE New Mexico in the neighborhood of the Whttington Center. Ten miles from Colorado and real close to Trinidad that has a good gunsmithing school. Elevation 7000 close to hunting and fishing. Social life that's up to you.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR

[Harter66]

Maybe I still have a bad taste over the jobs and not speaking enough potugeuse to get between Bakersfield and Fresno . From where I'm living now its about and hour to see any "big name" show ,world class snow skiing,5 flavors of competitive shooting on 10 or so ranges , I can still leave the house on my dirt bike or quad , there's mulies all but out the back door,2-3 hours can put you hunting sheep ,antalope,and elk , ducks ,geese,and swans are 30 minutes from the house to the blind , about the same for quail, phesant,and cotton tail,chucker well ya can't swing a dead cat with out hitting 1. Turkeys too,I've heard romors of pigs too. I've hunted all over this part of the state fished a little and can tell you that there are places 20 minutes from the door where you can go and se nobody for days at a time or you can hit Reno Fallon or Carson for everything racing except Indy F1 or Nascar , even air racing. Culture? Well there's the Harra's auto museum Nevada art museum/gallery 3or 4 thearter events, opera ,orcestra ,wine events , and let us not forget burning man , hot august nights ,street vibratios art town,the Campionship air races ,Ballon races and several ESPN sponcered events. Rib cookoffs ,chile cook offs , I think there is an event every weekend . I forgot about the rodeo events too. We have concerts that run the gamet from Frankie Valle to 9 inch nails,and Chrystal Gail to well who ever is new and on topin the county scene. And just 2 weeks of 100s an 2 weeks of teens. I'm never leaving again. Well maybe but I'd have too become obscenly wealthy ,since I don't play the Lottos or the machines I don't see it happening.

[Just Duke]

Maybe I still have a bad taste over the jobs and not speaking enough potugeuse to get between Bakersfield and Fresno . From where I'm living now its about and hour to see any "big name" show ,world class snow skiing,5 flavors of competitive shooting on 10 or so ranges , I can still leave the house on my dirt bike or quad , there's mulies all but out the back door,2-3 hours can put you hunting sheep ,antalope,and elk , ducks ,geese,and swans are 30 minutes from the house to the blind , about the same for quail, phesant,and cotton tail,chucker well ya can't swing a dead cat with out hitting 1. Turkeys too,I've heard romors of pigs too. I've hunted all over this part of the state fished a little and can tell you that there are places 20 minutes from the door where you can go and se nobody for days at a time or you can hit Reno Fallon or Carson for everything racing except Indy F1 or Nascar , even air racing. Culture? Well there's the Harra's auto museum Nevada art museum/gallery 3or 4 thearter events, opera ,orcestra ,wine events , and let us not forget burning man , hot august nights ,street vibratios art town,the Campionship air races ,Ballon races and several ESPN sponcered events. Rib cookoffs ,chile cook offs , I think there is an event every weekend . I forgot about the rodeo events too. We have concerts that run the gamet from Frankie Valle to 9 inch nails,and Chrystal Gail to well who ever is new and on topin the county scene. And just 2 weeks of 100s an 2 weeks of teens. I'm never leaving again. Well maybe but I'd have too become obscenly wealthy ,since I don't play the Lottos or the machines I don't see it happening.

Here's Silver Springs.
Thanks for your reply Harter but that's pretty much the same dry desert I live in now.

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/4085963.jpg

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Silver+Springs+Nv&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Silver+Springs,+Lyon,+Nevada&ll=39.394285,-119.194107&spn=0.413365,1.043015&t=h&z=11

Thanks for your reply Harter but that's pretty much the same dry desert I live in now.
Some of the said events you have listed are Casino related/sponsored. If I never saw a casino again It would be to soon. We would get all the hunting we would need while residing up in Montana most of the year.
It does sound like you have found a mecca for your entertainment which I'm glad for you.
Please excuse all. My writing is terrible.
I'll try and re do this.
I would only be in Cali for four months out of the years. We would like to spend January through April in Cali as to by pass the harsh winter Montana can dish out.

[Harter66]

Yes I know SS is a dive. Which is why I suggested the points to the northwest in and on the river valleys.

I have heard that Cali will tax all of your retirement whether you earned it there or not and or are a full time resident. My Dad retired medicaly from Civil Service there and returned to Fallon before his "pension(?)" started befor the "dust settled" he paid a settlement that amounted to the back taxes from his last day of work to the end of his first full year of payments ,almost 2 years worth,then had to prove to the state of Ca that he still had all of the "perminate stationary"injuries that forced his retirement. He was a federal employee . A few years ago he went through some more stuff because he retained a Credit Union acct jointly with my Mom whom received a settlement payment for something or other and the state wanted to tax that as income also. There is the matter of my Great Aunts estate as well . When it was all settled up the state wound up with 30% directly and will get that much more as the trust pays out.

Yes I too love the scenery from Yosimite all the way to Oregon , and plan to drive the PCH at least once ,I just don't see me ever living there again. Maybe I'm spoiled being able to get a room have 4 meals see 3 headliners enjoy an event for a full day with my wife and 2 kids and get home for $300. The last sit down family dinner out we did in Tulare was $125, frankly i'd have rather had the $25 casino lobster buffet or the maybe the $10 prime rib buffet than the meal that we had. Has anybody mentioned the nickle per container fee for packaged drinks that you can not get back as a non-resident . Then there are the bank isolations , RV registraitions , the list goes on. As I write this I am begining to see that its just a thing that is probably just me resenting being protected to death. I'm sure you've heard the Beatles song "Tax Man" or Janice Joplins "ballad of Bobby Magee"those to pretty well cover how I see Ca. Freedom just another word for nothing left to loose. If you sit I'll tax your seat if you walk 8'll tax your feet.

Sorry if it sounds like a personal rant, didn't somebody say something along the lines of "if you don't mind being pi$$ed off all the time?"

Ok I'm really done now.

[Just Duke]

Yes I know SS is a dive. Which is why I suggested the points to the northwest in and on the river valleys.

I have heard that Cali will tax all of your retirement whether you earned it there or not and or are a full time resident. My Dad retired medicaly from Civil Service there and returned to Fallon before his "pension(?)" started befor the "dust settled" he paid a settlement that amounted to the back taxes from his last day of work to the end of his first full year of payments ,almost 2 years worth,then had to prove to the state of Ca that he still had all of the "perminate stationary"injuries that forced his retirement. He was a federal employee . A few years ago he went through some more stuff because he retained a Credit Union acct jointly with my Mom whom received a settlement payment for something or other and the state wanted to tax that as income also. There is the matter of my Great Aunts estate as well . When it was all settled up the state wound up with 30% directly and will get that much more as the trust pays out.

Yes I too love the scenery from Yosimite all the way to Oregon , and plan to drive the PCH at least once ,I just don't see me ever living there again. Maybe I'm spoiled being able to get a room have 4 meals see 3 headliners enjoy an event for a full day with my wife and 2 kids and get home for $300. The last sit down family dinner out we did in Tulare was $125, frankly i'd have rather had the $25 casino lobster buffet or the maybe the $10 prime rib buffet than the meal that we had. Has anybody mentioned the nickle per container fee for packaged drinks that you can not get back as a non-resident . Then there are the bank isolations , RV registraitions , the list goes on. As I write this I am begining to see that its just a thing that is probably just me resenting being protected to death. I'm sure you've heard the Beatles song "Tax Man" or Janice Joplins "ballad of Bobby Magee"those to pretty well cover how I see Ca. Freedom just another word for nothing left to loose. If you sit I'll tax your seat if you walk 8'll tax your feet.

Sorry if it sounds like a personal rant, didn't somebody say something along the lines of "if you don't mind being pi$$ed off all the time?"

Ok I'm really done now.

Sir I fully understand your rant. I feel the same way about the Portland/Beaverton Area. There is like nothing to do there for me. Before I left there folks said you have such a beautiful big home why would you want to leave along with, get this, Dude! there plenty to do here! Ther's tons of micro breweries and lots of pizza joints. [smilie=s: :veryconfu
My response was Beer and Pizza? Yea right so I can have a heart attack like my Dad did at 40 and die. Both of them.
If you go up on Mt. Hood you have to pay to camp. What's with that?
And then the big thing is all the freakin hippy granola crunchers.......... GRRRRRR!!!!
Set aside a majority of the maternal gender seek partners from the same gender. Not real good for me when I was single.

Ok I'm really done now.

I just need to find a nice place to stay for 4 months Jan- April out of the year that I can keep a horse and the wife plant her roses.
I'm sure a second home does not qualify me as a resident. Right?

Ken was much smarter than I and resides in Bend. Way better than Portland.

[dualsport]

Yes by all means move to NorCal. You'll love it and we need more people like you. Nevada County is one thing, (Bay Area influenced), Modoc County is another. Depends on how 'country' you like it. I have hopes of moving to the Oroville area, has everything I want and still a reasonable drive to the big city or international airport. California is large and has almost every kind of environment there is. People come from all over the world to see our state.

[Suo Gan]

I have lived in California the past 30 years. In that time I have come to an understanding of this place. It is both the best and worst of everything. As far as the outdoors, there is no place like it I have been. I have lived in the Southeast, Northeast, in the middle, and in Alaska. When I was in Alaska I longed for what California had...limitless miles of dirt roads and wild places that were accessible. It is the most beautiful place you can imagine. The place that you have chosen is a wonderful spot. Totally conservative, you pretty much go back in time 30 years when you are there. You cannot judge this state by the population centers. It would be like judging the US by its population centers...it does not make sense and is not a fair comparison.
You can hunt with hounds in the state, you can open carry legally, fairly lenient CCW's, away from cities people are mostly conservative. But, there is a lot to piss off the average free loving American too. Just do your homework and decide based on that. If you like frigid cold winters, high cost of living, low wages move to Montana. They are more free than we are here by a measure though for sure, but my friends that live there don't have enough money to enjoy it...
Hope your decision proves well!

[Just Duke]

I have lived in California the past 30 years. In that time I have come to an understanding of this place. It is both the best and worst of everything. As far as the outdoors, there is no place like it I have been. I have lived in the Southeast, Northeast, in the middle, and in Alaska. When I was in Alaska I longed for what California had...limitless miles of dirt roads and wild places that were accessible. It is the most beautiful place you can imagine. The place that you have chosen is a wonderful spot. Totally conservative, you pretty much go back in time 30 years when you are there. You cannot judge this state by the population centers. It would be like judging the US by its population centers...it does not make sense and is not a fair comparison.
You can hunt with hounds in the state, you can open carry legally, fairly lenient CCW's, away from cities people are mostly conservative. But, there is a lot to piss off the average free loving American too. Just do your homework and decide based on that. If you like frigid cold winters, high cost of living, low wages move to Montana. They are more free than we are here by a measure though for sure, but my friends that live there don't have enough money to enjoy it...
Hope your decision proves well!

I looked to be in Montana From May until Jan 1st. I just don't have to deal with that last 4 months of winter and the hunting seasons are over.
Thanks for you reply all.

[Just Duke]

I'm retired. also

[Changeling]

Duke I can feel your indecision on what to do so I thought I would respond:

My neighbors were in the same position you are! This is what they did, there main residence is still here, but they spent 3 months in every place you can imagine and gained a wealth of information. This way in a relative short period of time they figured out what "THEY" wanted. It actually wasn't expensive they told me.

Good luck.

[Just Duke]

Duke I can feel your indecision on what to do so I thought I would respond:

My neighbors were in the same position you are! This is what they did, there main residence is still here, but they spent 3 months in every place you can imagine and gained a wealth of information. This way in a relative short period of time they figured out what "THEY" wanted. It actually wasn't expensive they told me.

Good luck.

What state do you hale from sir?

[ammohead]

Duke,

+1 with Harter66 on Smith Valley NV. It is a gorgeous place. I lived there 17 years and left for employment and have been basically unemployed eversince. Lots of horse opportunity. Lots of 10 acre plus homes and with the recent downturn in the market they are at bargain basement prices. CA and lots of timbered mountain country is only 10 miles away as the crow flies and Reno is 75 miles north. Reno may be another gambling town but it has much more than just gambling to offer. Lake Tahoe and some of the nicest beaches and best snow skiing anywhere is only an hour from Smith Valley.

Get out a map and go south on 395 from Reno till you get to Hwy 208 near Topaz Lake (south of Gardnerville/Minden another good choice). Follow 208 to Wellington, NV. You are now in Smith Valley.

ammohead

[Just Duke]

Duke,

+1 with Harter66 on Smith Valley NV. It is a gorgeous place. I lived there 17 years and left for employment and have been basically unemployed eversince. Lots of horse opportunity. Lots of 10 acre plus homes and with the recent downturn in the market they are at bargain basement prices. CA and lots of timbered mountain country is only 10 miles away as the crow flies and Reno is 75 miles north. Reno may be another gambling town but it has much more than just gambling to offer. Lake Tahoe and some of the nicest beaches and best snow skiing anywhere is only an hour from Smith Valley.

Get out a map and go south on 395 from Reno till you get to Hwy 208 near Topaz Lake (south of Gardnerville/Minden another good choice). Follow 208 to Wellington, NV. You are now in Smith Valley.

ammohead

Thanks for the reply Ammo head. I just want to get out of Nevada.

[thx997303]

Too wild for Utah?

You have much to learn about that particular state my friend.

[Just Duke]

Too wild for Utah?

You have much to learn about that particular state my friend.

:veryconfu

[NSP64]

Duke, maybe you and Barbie ought to stay in Montana year round and open you a saloon/ dancehall in the winter.



I'm in the midwest and went to see that movie "2012". At the scene where Cali slid off into the ocean, everyone there cheered.

[MT Gianni]

I looked to be in Montana From May until Jan 1st. I just don't have to deal with that last 4 months of winter and the hunting seasons are over.
Thanks for you reply all.

This is really getting kind of funny, In "tropical" Missoula we had snow every month of the year at least 3 of the 20 years I spent there. Winter East of the Divide starts in Nov and it's usually early Nov.

[Just Duke]

This is really getting kind of funny, In "tropical" Missoula we had snow every month of the year at least 3 of the 20 years I spent there. Winter East of the Divide starts in Nov and it's usually early Nov.

Yea that is kinda of funny seeing where were looking in Montana was 100 degrees everyday for the last two weeks of August. :roll:

[waksupi]

This is really getting kind of funny, In "tropical" Missoula we had snow every month of the year at least 3 of the 20 years I spent there. Winter East of the Divide starts in Nov and it's usually early Nov.

Weather guy just said a possibility of snow in the high country this coming weekend. Gonna be a long one. Stack wood now.

[koehn,jim]

The gun laws are a bit much but quite liveable. The restrictions on handgun ammo have been in Los Angeles for years but since i reload so what. The ar and m1a can both be set up easily to comply with the law so you can keep your flash hider, but magasine capacity is 10. Compared to other countries we still have it good. We do have strict laws but liveable. I dont have to shovel snow or fight sand storms or tornados but we do have earthquakes. Like 9.3 says another gun owner is always welcome.

[Pavogrande]

One thing no-one has mentioned, and I could well be wrong. You could have difficuly bringing your weapons into calif. -- You may have to "register" them with calif DOJ -- It could be a very costly proposition. I could be wrong about this but it is something to investigate.

For quite a few years I wanted to relocate to the Yreka area, about as far north in calif before you become an oregonian -- Too late now, will have to go to texas near my son. You need to be near family to see you get put into the right nursing home -- Tough to get old --

[Just Duke]

Weather guy just said a possibility of snow in the high country this coming weekend. Gonna be a long one. Stack wood now.

Bzzzzt!!! lol ..... again wrong part of Montana
Wunderground weather says 85 degrees on Saturday where I'm looking in Montana. Looks like shorts and t-shirt weather to me.
http://www.wunderground.com/

[Just Duke]

Way off topic here.
Lets get back to California please.



The wife and I are looking for two place to reside. Montana and looks like North Eastern Cali in the mountains there.
Can anyone chime in that lives or had lived there? Just east of Grass Valley California. We founds quite a few 10 acre homes with horse property there that backs up to the mountains.We are both board stiff with Vegas as we are not gamblers, drinkers or conisuers of controlled substances.
TIA,
Duke and Buffalo Barbie

How bad are the gun laws there? My Brother told me that the Government says the states can't make up there own gun laws. So did this ever apply? I'm stocking up on M14's anyway just in case.

[Changeling]

What state do you hale from sir?


Duke I live in Maryland. I wouldn't even suggest a days stay here! You guys were talking about weather where you were, I haven't cut grass since mid May! It's been over 100 on my deck everyday for the last 3 months with high humidity, just drains everything out of one. Tax's are high, fuel is high, food is through the roof, wait a minute I can shorten this, everything in Maryland is high, no lie.

State and local government is run Al Capone descendent's, we're sure of that!:mrgreen:

[Just Duke]

Duke I live in Maryland. I wouldn't even suggest a days stay here! You guys were talking about weather where you were, I haven't cut grass since mid May! It's been over 100 on my deck everyday for the last 3 months with high humidity, just drains everything out of one. Tax's are high, fuel is high, food is through the roof, wait a minute I can shorten this, everything in Maryland is high, no lie.

State and local government is run Al Capone descendent's, we're sure of that!:mrgreen:

Maryland is a real prtty place though.

[Just Duke]

I was looking at building in the said area and my realestate agent just called and she said someone she knows had got a permit for an addition. It cost $7000.00 for the permit! HOLY SMOKES!!!
She also said there was a school tax on building. What? I have never had children and they want me to pay tax so someone's evil spawn can go to school on my dime? Don't think so.
So anyway she also said expect to pay $20,000 for a building permit. JEZZUS!!!!
So I called the building dept. there that fleeces the peasants of their wheat.
Guess what.......... I got and answering service and they will call me back later...............OMG!

[462]

Duke,
If you can live with California's onerous gun laws (60+ pages long in the BATF's latest states' gun laws cd), an extremely upside-down socio/economic climate, are willing to pay more in taxes each year, don't mind having your life dictated to by big-city, elitest, ultra-liberals, and are willing to lose more freedoms each year, I welcome you.

That said, there are an abundance of social opportunities (from opera to rodeos) and areas for your fast boat (just don't have a two-cycle outboard attached to it).

On the economic side of things, here are two reference sites that may interest you:
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/335.html
http://swz.salary.com/costoflivingwizard/layoutscripts/coll_start.asp

I don't mean to sound negative, but as a California native, with plans to leave as soon as possible, it's rather difficult to fathom why someone would want to move here. If you disregard the hourly influx of illegals and their huge spawn, California's population has been getting smaller each year for the past decade...maybe longer. That, in itself, says much.

To reiterate, if you do decide to make California you new home, I do welcome you and wish you the best.

[Mntngoat]

Sure have! Let me also add Concho and Snow-Flake (my buddy married into the Flake family)
..............................unarmed.. :(


My inlaws live in Prescott and have about 200 acres around concho. I'd try to dissuade you from buying in CA. everything everyone else has said rings true. Your money will go much further elsewhere.

ML

[Just Duke]

My inlaws live in Prescott and have about 200 acres around concho. I'd try to dissuade you from buying in CA. everything everyone else has said rings true. Your money will go much further elsewhere.

ML

Yes but that won't take care of my social life. That Northern Cali area has just to start off with 10 venues I need not want to attend.
Worst case senario, I'll leave all my guns in Montana and re-arm with sling shots.
I love AZ. I refer to it as my home state. But I need more edification in life set aside my interests in horses and guns.
A gun for me is just a tool......................

[onceabull]

fwiw, We(me,sis and cousins)sold out the last of the families prop.in so.Nevada county just short of 4 years ago..4.9xacres,just under a half million greenspans..friends in the area tell us it wouldn't bring 250 K today,and NO ONE to finance purchase...was purchased by adjacent prop.owner (budding land baron) .If you want realtor to look into it,PM... Onceabull

[Just Duke]

fwiw, We(me,sis and cousins)sold out the last of the families prop.in so.Nevada county just short of 4 years ago..4.9xacres,just under a half million greenspans..friends in the area tell us it wouldn't bring 250 K today,and NO ONE to finance purchase...was purchased by adjacent prop.owner (budding land baron) .If you want realtor to look into it,PM... Onceabull

I pay cash for everything.
PM sent with phone number.

[Just Duke]

Well we called and finallly got through to the building dept and they threw one charge right on top of another for building there.
Barbie asked if she could talk to them and told the guy on the phone.

" You money grubbing pocket picking #$%^%$#$%^^ you can all bite me!"

So looks like that concludes our California relocation. :violin:
Last I saw Barbie she was perusing the Scottsdale horse properties.
Winters should be quite pleasant.



THANKS ALL FOR THE HELP. :drinks:
Duke and angry Buffalo Barbie out.











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[Duckiller]

Duke not only will the building dept charge you a lot of money they also won't let you build your house the way YOU want to. Building depts. charge a lot, but they also inspect the bejesus out of your construction and if they don't like it you may get to tear it down and start all over. After all you are entitled to something for all those fees they charge.

[PatMarlin]

Duke-

You are looking in the Sacramento to Truckee Hell Mouth Liberal I-80 Corridor. Eldorado County- Absolutely amongst one of the worst for what you want to do in California these days.

Go north and planning departments are much more friendly. My buddy just permitted his whole new home from septic to foundation and power for $3500.