Need Help

[OneShotNeeded]

Ok. I don't know if this is posted in the right spot but I need help in identifying 2 guns. These were found in an abandoned house due for demo. They are exactly as found. I tried oiling them and cleaning them up a bit. I know nothing about these. Any help would be greatly appreciated. They are available if anyone is interested. The first three pics are of 1 gun with no barrel. The next four of another no side plate. Thanks for any help.

[Piedmont]

Both are trapdoor Springfields.

[montana_charlie]

I was trying to think of something intelligent to say, but failed...

[NickSS]

The first one is a 45-70 trapdoor springfiled I would have to see more of the rifle like rear sight etc to tell what model. The second one seams to be an 1866 trapdoor springfield that was converted from a muzzle loader. It is in 50-70 and needs some parts if the bore is good you can get parts from S&S Firearms for it.

[OneShotNeeded]

thanks. The first is marked mod 1864. has no barrel. The other is an 1866. What would these be worth?