225450

[swamp]

I have a friend who would like to try the Lyman 225450 boolit. I don't cast anything in 22, so I told him I would try on the forum and see if anyone cast these.

He would like to get a thousand of them. Sized to .225 and lubed.

Willing to buy outright or will trade. Has brass and J-bullets.

I told him about the site and he will likely be joining . Just getting into casting.

Thanks in advavnce.

swamp

If not in correct forum please move.

[GabbyM]

Are you sure it's a #225450 he want's ? Because I'm not familiar with that number. Perhaps a #225415?

[trapper9260]

The only numbers that is for 22cal in lyman that i find is 225438,225415,225646. The 225646 is the one I cast and I have no problem with them. And they shoot good also.

[beagle]

The 225450 is a GC'd spire point. Discontinued mould but a few are around. I've shot a bunch but didn't find them particularily accurate./beagle

[swamp]

I wasn't sure if it was a current mould. The Casst Bullet Handbook I have is a 1973 print.

Is there a similar design out there? I think he wants a spire point GC around 48-50 grs.

[7br]

You might post this in the Boolits Exchange section. http://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/forumdisplay.php?f=49

For my .02, I would get 30 or so in several styles. When you get said boolits, repost and ask about the application you are looking for. IE, 22 hornet, .223 etc and see if some one has trod that road before. Things don't always work out the way we think they should and boolit shape and accuracy potential is one area I have a tough time wrapping my head around. It seems to me that a spitzer design should be more accurate, but it ain't always so.

With that in mind, I am willing to donate some RCBS 22-55gr boolits to the cause.

[GabbyM]

The Saeco is a spitzer but it weighs around 60 grains. It shoots good.
If he has the correct twist barrel my vote wuold be for a 55 to 60 grain bullet.

[swamp]

I talked to him this afternoon and that is the bullet he wants to use.

I told him to haunt the shows and E-Bay and maybe he will get lucky and find a 225450.

Thanks to all for the help and info.

swamp

[swamp]

Someone got in touch with me and said they had this mould (Lyman 225450).
I lost the contact information. If he still has the mould I am still interested in trying this boolit.

Please PM me or post to this thread.

swamp

[Jack Stanley]

Send BCall a PM , He might have such a mold .

Jack

[scrapcan]

look in the Bullshop's 22 cal postal match thread. I think NoZombies has this mould also.

[beagle]

Yes, there is a 225450. It's a very sharp spire pointed little rascal. GC'd. Evidently your friend has been reading Paco Kelley as he touts that bullet in the .22 Hornet.

He'd probably do well using a 225415 as the 225460 is a long discontinued mould and he'll probably have to run the gauntlet on E-Bone to get one./beagle

[BCall]

Send BCall a PM , He might have such a mold .

Jack

I have one, not much interested in casting a thousand of them from a single cavity though.

I'm with beagle, I haven't had any particular success with it. Not hard to cast, but not particularly accurate either. Neat looking though.

If I had to start from scratch again for the hornet, I'd probably buy the 22 mold from BRP.

I'd donate some 225450's for testing, just not interested in doing a thousand.:)
Thanks, Billy

[runfiverun]

wooow a thousand from a single cavity.
i don't think i'd sell them at 100.00 a hundred.
thats a lot of work.

[swamp]

BCall,
I will get with him and let him and see what he wants to do. Right now I believe that he wants to try some out to see how they work. Don't know what he is planning to shoot them in.

I am thinking of trying cast in my 222 Rem. What would you suggest for that? Just started shooting the tiny calibres.

swamp

[HangFireW8]

If he wants a 1,000 just "to try" he's probably a volume shooter of .223Rem, and looking to bring down his ammo costs. So, he looks for something that looks most like what he currently shoots and wants to order that. Only, the commercial cast boolit vendors know better than to cast .224"+ because they know they'll only have unhappy customers.

As with most beginners, there is no appreciation for boolit fit, bore size, matching hardness and lube to application, and what it takes to get a cast boolit to run. As the Lyman #4 states, it is hard to get the AR-15 action to cycle fully with the powders and velocities that work best for accuracy. Not a criticism, we all start off with boolit casting with some unrealistic expectations, but this line of questioning usually ends up with another cast boolit nay-sayer instead of an educated shooter.

[beagle]

Billy,

I have one too and it's a SC. For sure I'm not casting a thousand so some guy can try them out. I have hard enough time casting my own.

I don't think he really fully appreciates the work that goes into casting and inspecting a thousand cast .22s./beagle


I have one, not much interested in casting a thousand of them from a single cavity though.

I'm with beagle, I haven't had any particular success with it. Not hard to cast, but not particularly accurate either. Neat looking though.

If I had to start from scratch again for the hornet, I'd probably buy the 22 mold from BRP.

I'd donate some 225450's for testing, just not interested in doing a thousand.:)
Thanks, Billy

[BCall]

BCall,
I will get with him and let him and see what he wants to do. Right now I believe that he wants to try some out to see how they work. Don't know what he is planning to shoot them in.

I am thinking of trying cast in my 222 Rem. What would you suggest for that? Just started shooting the tiny calibres.

swamp

Dunno why I had the hornet on the brain, I kept thinking that was what they were going to be used in.

One of my 222's has a 10" twist and I am using the 225462 that I had Buckshot hollow point for me. It works great. I have had more success with the RCBS 22-55-SP or the 225415 out of a 14" twist though. The discontinued RCBS 22-55-FN has been very good as well. One of those is probably where I would start.

Beagle has surely done more extensive testing and note keeping than I have though, I would reccommend looking over his articles on castpics. Not one in 222, but the ones on the 223 have alot of info. My own testing has closely followed his with some exceptions. I really like the 225646 and wanted it to work well, but have not had acceptable accuracy from it to date. I don't think the 22 mold from BRP would be a bad choice either.

Before I cast a single 22, I ordered 100 each of several different styles from the Bullshop just to try. He is a 22 nut as well it seems and has a number of styles available, and everything I got from him shot well enough to push me to cast my own. It has been a downward spiral from there. JMO, Billy

[swamp]

I talked to my friend and he is shooting a 22 K Hornet. The groove dia. is 224. He would like to get 50 sized and lubed to try out.

What would you need for them?

swamp

[BCall]

Billy,

I have one too and it's a SC. For sure I'm not casting a thousand so some guy can try them out. I have hard enough time casting my own.

I don't think he really fully appreciates the work that goes into casting and inspecting a thousand cast .22s./beagle

It's the inspecting that get me now. I get cross-eyed after doing a hundred or so. I've gone to using one of those magnifying lamps that mounts on my desk. Put a white sheet of paper down and roll the boolits acroos the paper while inspecting them through the magnifying glass. The bright light and magnification helps a bunch.

As an aside beagle, your articles are just as responsible for this downward spiral and I can't thank you enough. It's a ton of fun. Thanks, Billy

[TCFAN]

Well I guess I am the odd ball. I like the 225450. I have a Lyman Ideal single cavity mold.
I use it mainly in a 223 T/C contender 14 inch barrel with a 12 inch twist. I find it very accurate at moderate velocity.I have never pushed it fast like I have the 225415.

Like BCall I use a magnifying lamp to inspect each boolit and then weigh to plus or minus 1 tenth grain................Terry

[swamp]

BCall is sending some to try out. So should be good till my friend sees how they work in his Hornet.

Thanks to everyone.

Merry Christmas All,
swamp

[1Shirt]

Listen to and read Beagle's articles on 22 cast. I have a single cav. 450, and will occaisionally cast 50 or so to shoot in hornet and K hornet. A single cav 22 mold is sort of like a hemorid to cast, so I don't do it often. To cast a thousand would be painful.
1Shirt!:coffee:

[telebasher]

There is a 225450 on E-BAY right now, can't say that it looks like a shooter . I have read Paco's Hornet article several times trying to gleen any tips or tricks from a master cast shooter. He really favors the 225438 and 225462 in his Ruger, it is an interesting read and if you like Paco it is entertaining as well. He's the one who turned me on to AA1680 in the Hornet.

[AZ-Stew]

Swamp,

For future reference, bookmark this site: http://www.three-peaks.net/bullet_molds.htm

It takes some time for it to load, but it's a good visual reference for many of the Lyman/Ideal moulds.

Regards,

Stew

[NoZombies]

It's funny, the best accuracy to date for me in my hornet has been the 224450 pushed towards the upper end of the spectrum. They drop from my SC mold at .226, so I lube and check 'em and call it good. Using near max loads of lil'gun, I was getting 1.25" at 100 yards... With *open* sights. That's as good as I can shoot without the help of optics.

I wouldn't want to cast 1000 of the things for somebody either.

[telebasher]

It's funny, the best accuracy to date for me in my hornet has been the 224450 pushed towards the upper end of the spectrum. They drop from my SC mold at .226, so I lube and check 'em and call it good. Using near max loads of lil'gun, I was getting 1.25" at 100 yards... With *open* sights. That's as good as I can shoot without the help of optics.

I wouldn't want to cast 1000 of the things for somebody either.

Thats great shooting! Wonder what it would do with a little magnification. What rifle , What powder -primer ? Inquiring minds want to know.

[BCall]

Boolit in question.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh259/blcall/SN851219.jpg

[NoZombies]

Yup, those things are a pain to sort!

As for the shooting, It wasn't every group that would go 1.25" but I had 3 or 4 that did, so it told me it wasn't a fluke. I need to find the load data, but it was a Stevens 322A rifle, powder was lil'gun and primer was probably CCI SR. I can't remember off the top of my head the powder weight, or if that's the correct primer.

[telebasher]

After I size and lube I use empty primer trays to store the little bullets. Hint... use every other row, makes it easy to grab a bullet to be loaded.