3589 Improved

[flhroy]

A CASTPICS SPECIAL PROJECT

3589 Improved
dia: .360
length: 1.080
weight: 276 gr
meplate: ~.150


Just wondering about the possibilities of running a group buy on this puppy.

Roy

[45 2.1]

Length is very close to max. On another note, I have someone who has contacted me about doing a GB on a lighter ( 225 gr.) 35 caliber rifle boolit later this Fall. We have too many GBs running right now!

[PatMarlin]

I need a heavy 35 for my 358 winny.. :drinks:

[Pepe Ray]

flhroy,
3589 by Lyman is a round nose. You say "improved". I assume you've modified this design somewhat.
Do you have an illustration for us to drool over?
Pepe Ray

[flhroy]

Pepe Ray, Scroll down almost to the bottom of this page. Under 'SHOOTIN' LINKS' click on 'CastPics'. When CastPics comes up click on 'Research and Data'. When Research and Data comes up click on 3589 improved. I've been drolling on this picture for awhile now.


Roy

[CSH]

I'd be more interested in something between 225 - 250 grains, but I could deal with something heavier. It would have to fit my 35 Whelen since it's the only 35 caliber rifle in my inventory.

[trk]

I bought my Rem 700 Classic in 35W for ONE reason - big heavy cast boolets. But Remington didn't put a fast enough twist for the 358009.

I'd be interested in something JUST a little shorter - 358008-1/2, say 250 - 265 grains.

[PatMarlin]

I thought my 358 winny had a faster twist, but I remeasured and I'm pretty sure it's a 1-16. So that rules out the real heavies don't it?

BA?.... where you at!! .............:Fire: :drinks: :Fire: :drinks:...........

[felix]

Do a twist check. ... felix

[PatMarlin]

I did Felix. My first check was faulty, and the second check was on I beleive.

[felix]

Yep, Pat, I suggest your max boolit at 235 grains for short range. 200 grains on up past 200 yards. ... felix

[PatMarlin]

So no heavier than 235 grains for short.. how short, up to 200?

Then past 200 how heavy can I go?

[felix]

200 ... felix

[felix]

Remember, Pat, we are talking about a rounded wadcutter. ... felix

[PatMarlin]

Thanks for clarification Sir Felix. Does that mean I can go heavier with another type of boolit?

[felix]

Yes, a more pointed one. ... felix

[Bass Ackward]

Pat,

One of the most common mistakes made is that if you have a fast or excess twist gun is to go to a heavy bullet. Quite often that is the worst thing you can do because the faster twist has a steeper angle that throws more pressure on the base of a lead bullet by impeeding forward progress. Exactly what you DON"T want to do with lead. Adding more weight just compounds the problem. The ideal thing is to make a light bullet less aerodynamic and increase the bearing area WITHOUT increasing weight.

With a slower twist, it is the exact opposite. You must adhere to stabilization principlas like keeping the weight on the back of the bullet where it is easier to stabilize and making a more areo dynamic bullet or have a higher BC. This is why I limit my rifle bullets to 60% meplats. Much easier to stabilize out at longer ranges.

Those 35 Whelens (16 twist) shoot 250 grain Remington jackets pretty well out to the 300 yard range that I tested them to. I see no reason that a well designed 250 grain lead bullet with less than 25% unsupported weight wouldn't fly fairly well (MOA) out to 300. I would limit it to a 60% or preferably 55% meplat. Want to be safe or use a wider meplat, then do like Felix says and stay at 235 grains or less.

IMO.

[PatMarlin]

Beautiful!

I'll keep this in mind, and will probably go Mountain Molds for the custom size when the time comes. Right now I have some saeco 250's and we'll see how they do.

Just finished a long, long barrel break-in, and like a quote in one of my favorite movies, "I'm getting surgical with this biatch"... :mrgreen:

It is putting copper where ever I want it at 50, poppin' any random beer can I can find within 75 yrds, off hand too. Man this rifle is FUN!!!.......:Fire: ...:drinks:

Can't wait to go 100-200.

[PatMarlin]

This is the 358 Winchester with 30grs of milsurp 4895 and a 200gr Hornady... 50yrds.

The steel is 1/4, and there's a chunk of lead recovered.

Pretty potent for a light recoil load... :mrgreen:

[waksupi]

My Bator light, comes in at 237 gr. And, I really do think, this is probably the best weight range for most of our hunting and plinking use, in the .358 Win. I've not wrung this out as far as I have the Bator heavy, but accuracy is very good, and I know it will shoot through several feet of elk.
I believe if you were going to put out another .35 bullet, I would shoot for between 225 - 250 gr. Maintain a short ogive, I would have to do some measureing for the length. I would think a bit of a taper on the front though, to make it feed easier in some rifles. Just thinking on the electrons and ions, right now. If something new came up, I may get in on it.