Argentine 1891 ANYONE?

[357maximum]

Has anyone paper patched an 1891 argi in 7.65X53?

I will be playing with a 24inch sporter w/scope soon and am curious as to what molds/powders/ etc.. you have used.

I was told the bore slugs around .3025 X .3119 "ish"

I am interested in hearing both succes and failure stories.

THANK YOU in advance......just thinking about what I will be doing until I can do it. YALL understand:bigsmyl2:

[jonk]

It was my very first paper patch attempt. I'm not an expert at it in general yet but at the time I really didn't know what I was doing and the patches weren't long enough.

In any case I used a Lee 185 gr 312 sized to 308, double wrapped to .316, and sized back down to .314. Grooves measure .313 on mine.

Gotta try that again.

[leadman]

You should slug your barrel. I have a couple 91s and they are different sizes, .311" & .313".

[357maximum]

You should slug your barrel. I have a couple 91s and they are different sizes, .311" & .313".

I trust the fella that sgugged it and gave me the measurements in my #1 post, and i would have one heck of a time slugging it from here. It is a 3hr drive away from me right the moment.............I do not actually own it YET. The whole point of this exercise was to gather facts and trials while I impatiently wait for the drive to go get it in a few weeks. Thanks for the insight.

[303Guy]

That wouldn't be too different from the 303 Brit now would it? Now I can't wait for you to get it! :bigsmyl2:

Will you post some pics of it when you do finally get it, please?[smilie=s:

[303Guy]

http://stevespages.com/jpg/cd765x53.jpg 7.65x53 Argentinian Mauser

[357maximum]

http://stevespages.com/jpg/cd765x53.jpg 7.65x53 Argentinian Mauser

I hope you did not post that off from page8a...the dude gets rather cranky about such things.:holysheep

I have pics from the fella that has it now. I will see if he cares if I post them.

[303Guy]

Oops![smilie=1:

[badgeredd]

That wouldn't be too different from the 303 Brit now would it? Now I can't wait for you to get it! :bigsmyl2:

Will you post some pics of it when you do finally get it, please?[smilie=s:

Do you use any conventional boolits to PP for your 303? Just thinking here.

I have a Lee mold that is a tumble lube design that might actually work for PPing. It's 309-160 that I got from their close outs.

Edd

[docone31]

The 160 seems a bit light for paper patching.
When I patch my .303, I size the casting to .308, then wrap, then size to .314.
The first sizeing evens it out, gives me sharp corners on the lube lands. When I patch and it dries, it shrinks down around the remaing lands.
I like them at 180gns minimum.

[357maximum]

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[357maximum]

The 160 seems a bit light for paper patching.
When I patch my .303, I size the casting to .308, then wrap, then size to .314.
The first sizeing evens it out, gives me sharp corners on the lube lands. When I patch and it dries, it shrinks down around the remaing lands.
I like them at 180gns minimum.

How do you think the 308-180gr silhouette (BRP or RCBS) would work in the argentine? I am going to try this boolit first and over a good dose of H4350 hoping some of my 35rem , 35Whelen and 30/30 PaperPatching experience transfers succesfully. I use vellum or greenbar depending on what endgame size I need. I hope the greenbar is the one I end up needing as it is tougher and feeds from my magazines alot mo betta.:p

[docone31]

Yep, the green bar is good stuff!
You can always get a Lee Sizer for the final diameter.
The RCBS mold might be a little light in the nose. A good one to get the feet wet on patching though. Good profile.
I always size first, wrap, then resize. I feel it gives the wrapping consistant points to wrap to.
If, if the nose measures out to .302 on the casting, then it should be ok though.
Looking forward to seeing results.
I prefer 4895 to 4350 for patching. 4064 is even better.
Great luck. looks like a fine rifle!

[357maximum]

Yep, the green bar is good stuff!
You can always get a Lee Sizer for the final diameter.
The RCBS mold might be a little light in the nose. A good one to get the feet wet on patching though. Good profile.
I always size first, wrap, then resize. I feel it gives the wrapping consistant points to wrap to.
If, if the nose measures out to .302 on the casting, then it should be ok though.
Looking forward to seeing results.
I prefer 4895 to 4350 for patching. 4064 is even better.
Great luck. looks like a fine rifle!

I have the BRP version with a .3025 nose in soft AC range scrap alloy & .303+ in wd'ed 50/50 ww/pure. The Brp 180Sil has worked well in the 30/30 I might be OK.

I have a nice sizer body with changeable inserts and a bunch of inserts to lap as I see fit. My other patching endeavors showed me how important size is so I conned a good friendly toolmaker into my cause. I size/wrap/lightly lube with lanolin/beeswax mix and then post size...you can barely tear the patch off if you want to...but they confetti well and have shot great for me in other toys. I was pushing 2800 fps in the whelen at one point with a softer alloy accurately. I slowed down as to not destroy venison...but it can be done and be done accurately. H4350 and H414 have been my standout PP powders.

I should be getting into this with undevided attention in about 2 weeks...waiting on a bolt handle.

[303Guy]

Thanks for answering that docone31. (I couldn't have).


I prefer 4895 to 4350 for patching. 4064 is even better.Interesting. I have our local version of 4350 - AR2209 (our Ozzies make it for you folks!8-)) It works just great in my two-groove 303 with J-words as well as my 25-303 (J-words too) so I would like to stay with it if I can. What is it about 4895 and/or 4064 that makes them better if I may ask?

357maximum

I couldn't help noticing the absence of fore-sight.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l80/357maximum/thPICT0425.jpg

Do you intend fitting a scope or refitting a front sight?

You know, it wouldn't take much to fit an aperture leaf to the rear sight and a suitable front sight. Target grade sighting accuracy!

Nice looking rifle!

[357maximum]

It is going to get glass only.....providing I can find an old 91 buehler type safety. Apparently the 93/94/96 safeties are not the same. I might just have to do some redneckineering with the welder.:groner:

[357maximum]

Found a work around (I think) for the safety. Going to put a front ramp on her in addition to the 3 holes in the receiver for a scope. Possibly pop 2 holes for a Williams peep (just in case) also. I will be able to do anything I want with her.

How many holes do you have to put in an argentine to make it SWISS?:bigsmyl2:

There is no crest on it........so you folks that fret such things can relax.[smilie=p:

I have the strips of greenbar made up. Just waiting to figure out the first boolit to use and then what sizes I need to hone my sizer inserts to and cut the strips to length and then I can start to GET-R-DID. Gonna start with H4350.

I will post my results here within the next month or so if all go's swimmingly.

I made the pics up above bigger....she has some nice grain...I can hardly wait to bring it out better with a new facelift. Christmas in March[smilie=p:

[303Guy]

On the 'safety catch' issue, apart from the fact that someone once nearly killed me because of a 'safety catch' (I still used a 'safety catch' then, believing that is was actually safe!) - he did do a stupid thing, both with the safety and and with pointing a gun (let alone a loaded gun) and wanting to 'pull' the trigger! No, I did not beat him half to death!

Thing is, I never use a safety on a gun. Can't when the bolt is open! (And it's always open when I am not intending to take a shot). True, I have lost the odd cartridge but a dollar or less here and there versus an accidental discharge? No contest! Crazy that I still spend so much time trying to find those lost cartridges, like my life depended on it!:mrgreen:

That's my take on it anyway. What I'm trying to get at is that the safety catch isn't really an issue.

[357maximum]

I get your meaning and agree.....but rackin a round in while mr whitetail is near or has just become aware of my existence is not an option for me. I never "trust" a safety, but I sure like the fact that they exist ( except for those guns you have to cock first to shoot). A safety on a single shot or a lever gun makes as much sense as wipin before ya p_ _ p.

[Dutch4122]

............. 3 holes in the receiver...................2 holes for a Williams peep................. I will be able to do anything I want with her.
How many holes do you have to put in an argentine to make it SWISS?:bigsmyl2:[smilie=p:


AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!! SACRILEDGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:kidding:

[357maximum]

AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!! SACRILEDGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:kidding:

Somehow I knew that phrase would draw you out of the woodwork and inspire a response if you saw it.:bigsmyl2: