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Recluse
02-23-2010, 11:41 PM
It is my hope that this doesn't offend anyone by my posting it here, in this forum.

It's message and honor deserve the high visibility of the Shooter.com forum. After you've read it, you will understand. This was sent to me by a fellow pilot and veteran as to what occurred on a commercial airline flight a short time ago.

For those of us who served in or around the time of Vietnam, this carries extra special meaning.

:coffee:



He (the pilot) writes: My lead flight attendant came to me and said, "We have an H.R. on this flight." (H.R. stands for human remains.) "Are they military?" I asked.

'Yes', she said.

'Is there an escort?' I asked.

'Yes, I already assigned him a seat'.

'Would you please tell him to come to the flight deck. You can board him early," I said.


A short while later, a young army sergeant entered the flight deck. He was the image of the perfectly dressed soldier. He introduced himself and I asked him about his soldier. The escorts of these fallen soldiers talk about them as if they are still alive and still with us.


'My soldier is on his way back to Virginia', he said. He proceeded to answer my questions, but offered no words on his own.


I asked him if there was anything I could do for him and he said no. I told him that he had the toughest job in the military and that I appreciated the work that he does for the families of our fallen soldiers. The first officer and I got up out of our seats to shake his hand. He left the flight deck to find his seat.

We completed our preflight checks, pushed back and performed an uneventful departure. About 30 minutes into our flight I received a call from the lead flight attendant in the cabin. 'I just found out the family of the soldier we are carrying, is on board', he said. He then proceeded to tell me that the father, mother, wife and 2 - year old daughter were escorting their son, husband, and father home. The family was upset because they were unable to see the container that the soldier was in before we left. We were on our way to a major hub at which the family was going to wait four hours for the connecting flight home to Virginia .

The father of the soldier told the flight attendant that knowing his son was below him in the cargo compartment and being unable to see him was too much for him and the family to bear. He had asked the flight attendant if there was anything that could be done to allow them to see him upon our arrival. The family wanted to be outside by the cargo door to watch the soldier being taken off the airplane. I could hear the desperation in the flight attendant's voice when he asked me if there was anything I could do.

'I'm on it', I said. I told him that I would get back to him.

Airborne communication with my company normally occurs in the form of e - mail like messages. I decided to bypass this system and contact my flight dispatcher directly on a secondary radio. There is a radio operator in the operations control center who connects you to the telephone of the dispatcher. I was in direct contact with the dispatcher. I explained the situation I had on board with the family and what it was the family wanted. He said he understood and that he would get back to me.

Two hours went by and I had not heard from the dispatcher. We were going to get busy soon and I needed to know what to tell the family. I sent a text message asking for an update. I saved the return message from the dispatcher and this following is the text:

'Captain, sorry it has taken so long to get back to you. There is policy on this now and I had to check on a few things. Upon your arrival a dedicated escort team will meet the aircraft. The team will escort the family to the ramp and planeside. A van will be used to load the remains with a secondary van for the family. The family will be taken to their departure area and escorted into the terminal where the remains can be seen on the ramp. It is a private area for the family only. When the connecting aircraft arrives, the family will be escorted onto the ramp and planeside to watch the remains being loaded for the final leg home. Captain, most of us here in flight control are veterans. Please pass our condolences on to the family. Thanks.'

I sent a message back telling flight control thanks for a good job. I printed out the message and gave it to the lead flight attendant to pass on to the father. The lead flight attendant was very thankful and told me, 'You have no idea how much this will mean to them.'

Things started getting busy for the descent, approach and landing. After landing, we cleared the runway and taxied to the ramp area. The ramp is huge with 15 gates on either side of the alleyway. It is always a busy area with aircraft maneuvering every which way to enter and exit.

When we entered the ramp and checked in with the ramp controller, we were told that all traffic was being held for us.

'There is a team in place to meet the aircraft', we were told. It looked like it was all coming together, then I realized that once we turned the seat belt sign off, everyone would stand up at once and delay the family from getting off the airplane. As we approached our gate, I asked the copilot to tell the ramp controller we were going to stop short of the gate to make an announcement to the passengers. He did that and he ramp controller said,

'Take your time.'

I stopped the aircraft and set the parking brake. I pushed the public address button and said, 'Ladies and gentleman, this is your Captain speaking I have stopped short of our gate to make a special announcement.

We have a passenger on board who deserves our honor and respect. His Name is Private XXXXXX, a soldier who recently lost his life. Private XXXXXX is under your feet in the cargo hold. Escorting him today is Army Sergeant XXXXXXX.

Also, on board are his father, mother, wife, and daughter. Your entire flight crew is asking for all passengers to remain in their seats to allow the family to exit the aircraft first. Thank you.'

We continued the turn to the gate, came to a stop and started our shutdown procedures. A couple of minutes later I opened the cockpit door. I found the two forward flight attendants crying, something you just do not see. I was told that after we came to a stop, every passenger on the aircraft stayed in their seats, waiting for the family to exit the aircraft.

When the family got up and gathered their things, a passenger slowly started to clap his hands. Moments later more passengers joined in and soon the entire aircraft was clapping. Words of 'God Bless You', I'm sorry, thank you, be proud, and other kind words were uttered to the family as they made their way down the aisle and out of the airplane. They were escorted down to the ramp to finally be with their loved one.

Many of the passengers disembarking thanked me for the announcement I had made. They were just words, I told them, I could say them over and over again, but nothing I say will bring back that brave soldier.

I respectfully ask that all of you reflect on this event and the sacrifices that millions of our men and women have made to ensure our freedom and safety in these United States of America .

Foot note from the person who sent this: As a Viet Nam Veteran I can only think of all the veterans including the ones that rode below the deck on their way home and how they we were treated. When I read things like this I am proud that our country has not turned their backs on our soldiers returning from the various war zones today and give them the respect they so deserve.

I know every Viet Nam veteran who reads this will have tears in their eyes, including me.

You don't have to be a Viet Nam Vet to have tears in your eyes while reading this. Thank you to all who have served and are still serving.

A Grateful Nation. God Bless the USA.

Frank46
02-24-2010, 12:00 AM
Recluse, I think that I speak for all the vets here that there is no offense at all. In fact I was very moved by your post and thank you for it. Frank

mikeyd499
02-24-2010, 12:20 AM
I'm not a veteran, but I have the deepest respect and gratitude for those who serve(d) this country. I am so thankful that there are still people willing to stand in the wall. My prayers go out to all the families of those who have and are still serving. All those who paid the ultimate price are the truest heros we will ever have.

PatMarlin
02-24-2010, 02:51 AM
Thank you for that recluse.

Anybody not moved by the story has no heart- and no soul.

44man
02-24-2010, 09:40 AM
I unloaded many of our fallen when I worked for the airline. Always with special care. It always hurt but this story is one I know and it makes me cry every time.
Thank you for saying it again, Recluse. We should never forget a single man or woman.

Cherokee
02-24-2010, 10:11 AM
Thank you for posting, I had to dry my eyes. US Army 1966-68

bobke
02-24-2010, 10:13 AM
not affected by much, but have to say that is a powerful reminder that not only are our soldiers at war, but their entire families, as well. thanks for posting this up. and thanks to all of those who have and will serve with such honor and courage, as did this young private. yes, i'm moved.

and just curious, what airline did this occur on? i'd like to give them some of my business.

WILCO
02-24-2010, 10:22 AM
Thank you for posting, I had to dry my eyes.

Ditto for me.

iron mule
02-24-2010, 10:27 AM
Recluse, there is noway anyone could be offended by this post, i was not military but did serve my country here and overseas in a lawenforcement ststus and this has touched a place in my heart deeper than you can know, people who do things like this to show their respect for our milatary people need to be reconigzed and be show respect in return // never fear of offending some one by showing respect in this manner
mule

257 Shooter
02-24-2010, 11:17 AM
Thank you Recluse. That is what makes Americans so great!

scrapcan
02-24-2010, 11:30 AM
Another thank you from me. I am not a veteran, but hold the highest respect for those who are. No thanks to the fallen nor the families will ever bring them back, but our respect can let them know the level of our thanks.

I also hold the respect for privacy to the families, but I also there should also be a true homecoming for all of our soldiers, Marines, airman/woman, sailers, and coasties.

timkelley
02-24-2010, 11:34 AM
Drying my eyes. I was not treated badly but I have always been sad for those who were.

theperfessor
02-24-2010, 12:24 PM
Normally I'm a pretty fast reader but for some reason it took a while to read this, kept having to wipe the water drops off the back of my glasses.

My respect and gratitude to this fallen warrior (and all vets) and my heartfelt condolences to his family. I hope they are taken care of, especially the wife and child.

Recluse, thanks for the post.

Bad Water Bill
02-24-2010, 12:30 PM
Thanks Recluse

For some reason this one got me even after over half a century since my time in the Navy.

To all who have lost their loved ones I STILL REMEMBER THEM. They will never be forgotten.

threett1
02-24-2010, 12:51 PM
I was about 2 years too young to be a Nam vet. But I saw what happened and have many friends who went thru that. I won't be right the rest of the day after reading this. About 300,000,000 people in this country need to read this, beginning with the congresscritters.

grages
02-24-2010, 01:08 PM
Thank's Recluse, yes it brings tears to the eyes.

Shawn

TexRebel
02-24-2010, 01:26 PM
only thing I can say
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk302/Texrebel_album/Mil%20stuff/ATT00548.jpg

Ajax
02-24-2010, 01:26 PM
as a current sailor i would like to say thanks for posting this i copied and sent it to my brothers and sisters as a constant reminder of what we are fighting for.


Andy

Throckmorton
02-24-2010, 01:29 PM
Dang it's hard to read that thru tears. what a great and moving story.

old turtle
02-24-2010, 01:35 PM
Thank you Recluse.

I feel that this is a fine forum for this posting. It brought tears to my eyes.

DLCTEX
02-24-2010, 02:48 PM
Thanks for posting this Recluse. And thanks to the family who sacrificed so much for their country.

Echo
02-24-2010, 10:48 PM
I went through a couple of Kleenexes during and after the post. It does one good to read of other folks doing honorable things.

Tazman1602
02-24-2010, 11:06 PM
Most females need tissues when they bawl, I had to run for the dam paper towel rack Recluse.

RIP Soldier and Godspeed

Oldtimer
02-25-2010, 11:38 AM
I will retire this year after serving our country for 32 years. I'd do another 32 if I could. Great post. Kinda hits close to home when I read about these things. We've lost several young men from my area. Not a day passes that this is not on my mind. Thanks for the post. Bob

PatMarlin
02-25-2010, 11:53 AM
I will be retire this year after serving our country for 32 years. I'd do another 32 if I could. Great post. Kinda hits close to home when I read about these things. We've lost several young men from my area. Not a day passes that this is is not on my mind. Thanks for the post. Bob

Wow- congradulations Bob on your retirement and thank you for serving our great country... :drinks:

Oldtimer
02-25-2010, 12:02 PM
Pat, thanks for the kind words. Bob

Blacksmith
02-25-2010, 12:19 PM
Recluse
Thank you for posting this reminder.

And a special Thanks to all who have served this country in peace and war.

captain-03
02-25-2010, 02:57 PM
I am brushing back more than one tear after reading this ... thanks so very much for sharing ...

.357
02-25-2010, 03:07 PM
The worst day of my life was when i was told that my medical condition would not allow me to serve in the forces like my dad. I thank all the people who did.

Bloodman14
02-26-2010, 04:15 PM
Clearing my eyes, thanks, Recluse.

Marvin S
02-26-2010, 08:33 PM
I consider myself really tuff to these type of things but while being deployed not long ago to the middle east we would have fallen warrior ceremonies one to two times per day. This would be the first stop for the military transports who carry the coffins for the final trip home.

Yea it will kind of choke up the best of em. My hat goes off to the folks in the trenches as I'm just the one who fixes all of the equipment and aircraft back stage.

USAF 1983 to present.

44fanatic
02-27-2010, 12:58 PM
That is the second time I have read that. Still found it difficult to read through foggy eyes.

Posts like this carry a very special meaning to me...they hit close to home.

Wayne Smith
02-27-2010, 10:09 PM
As a young teenager I and my family watched Hamberger Hill on the evening news. Our first TV, and only a year or so old. I remember reading reports of soldiers in uniform being spat upon in the airport as they returned home from incountry.

Yeah, Reculse, I teared up reading this. More than that, though, I am proud of this generation!

smoked turkey
02-27-2010, 11:19 PM
This post, and others from time to time when we pause from our hobby to reflect on some of the more important issues we face, is why I am glad I hang my hat here at castboolits. I don't have many regrets in my life, but not serving in the military when I was a young man is one that I do have. I personally owe a great debt to those who chose to serve. Thanks for giving me a reminder of the teriffic cost that has been paid so that I can live my life in this great land in freedom. God Bless America!

Reloader06
02-28-2010, 12:07 AM
A simple "Thank You" doesnt seem like enough. It's all I've got until I fix this leak. Thank You.

Matt :cry:

PatMarlin
02-28-2010, 12:36 AM
As a young teenager I and my family watched Hamberger Hill on the evening news. Our first TV, and only a year or so old. I remember reading reports of soldiers in uniform being spat upon in the airport as they returned home from incountry.

Yeah, Reculse, I teared up reading this. More than that, though, I am proud of this generation!


We were in elementary school scared to death- war went on so long we knew we were gonna grow up and get drafted. I remember the summer the song "House of the Rising Sun" was a hit. My older cousin showed up AWOL. He was scared and running. Never knew what became of him.

Bret4207
02-28-2010, 07:32 AM
I had the sad duty of serving as an escort for a time while in the USMC. I can only hope there's some truth to this story. Regardless, the sentiment is what matters. Good job.

Recluse
03-01-2010, 01:56 AM
I had the sad duty of serving as an escort for a time while in the USMC. I can only hope there's some truth to this story. Regardless, the sentiment is what matters. Good job.

Bret,

I have high confidence in the validity of the story. The story was e-mailed to me from a friend at the airport. At our little private GA (general aviation) airport, we're a privately owned airport, but public use. Because of that (privately owned), we make our own rules about hangars and housing. A lot of pilots/aircraft owners choose to build apartments or homes inside their hangars and live full-time at the airport.

Of those folks, about half are current and soon to be retired, or already retired, airline pilots. Most major brands/companies are represented. It's a very tight community of folks out there, and the retired airline guys have friends all over the world with whom they stay in constant contact with.

The pilot who e-mailed this to me and other pilots who are veterans said he got it directly from a ground crew member via the first officer. Both drivers in the front office were Vietnam era veterans--which is why it touched them so deeply.

I was on a commercial flight to Phoenix a couple of weeks ago, and we have several soldiers on board, in their BDUs. The captain asked that we stay seated to allow them to get their stuff and get off the airplane first. Phoenix was their final destination.

Almost everyone on the plane gave them a combination of applause, whistles, cheers or salutes. I damned near started bawling. I remember, firsthand, how it used to not be when you were in public in uniform.

I'm glad we're past that and giving these young men and women the respect and gratitude they so richly deserve.

:coffee: