I am flabbergasted and "POed"!!!

[Bucks Owin]

POed meaning "Post Office'd" I guess!

About an hour ago, my wife comes home from town, all worn out and frazzled. The reason? The US Postal Service!!!

You see, I had asked her to go to the post office while she was in town and get a padded envelope, drop in a Lee bullet mould and mail it for me. Simple mission right? Not anymore in America!

She first of all had the misfortune to be served by a young lady, new to her job and trying to be a very consciencious (sp) postal worker. Les (my wife) says "I'd like to mail this bullet mould". That was the beginning....

"Oh you can't mail BULLETS in the mail!" the young lady says with a gasp. Les explains with the help of a man in the next row that she's not mailing "bullets", (ie: cartridges) she's trying to mail a mould for making the bullets (ie: projectiles) which is perfectly legal. The young postal worker isn't as aware of this fact as my wife is and at this point must confer with her "supervisor" and disappears in the back....

In a few minutes another lady, apparently a "higher up" in the postal chain of command comes out and asks my wife if she's an American citizen? No, my wife explains, she's married to an American but she's a legal immigrant from Canada and produces her "green card" and SS card. "Just a minute" says worker #2 and she disappears in the back....

In about 10 minutes, a male postal employee, acting as the "Grand Pubah of postaldom", arrives on the scene. He would like to see my wife's immigration card, drivers license, and any other documentation she might have, (and play "Kojak" for awhile) until the California Highway Patrol get's there! This is no ****! Turns out, while they were figuring out their "battle plan" in the back, a "call for assistance" was made to the CHP! Now, I guess his intention is to "stall her until help arrives"...

Here at last this horror story has an end in sight. The patrolman who arrives is the one who often patrols in our neck of the woods and knows Les and I as small town folks and LEOs often do. He has pulled her over in the summer and scolded her for "speeding" and to mooch a cold soda and we have brought him a thermos of coffee when he's been stuck enforcing "chains required" in the winter etc. He vouches for Les to the "postal police", they smugly apologize for the "inconvenience" and explain how they "can't be too careful these days" etc. Les and the patrolman eyeball each other a second, smile slightly, and Les asks "Would you like me to OPEN this box for you"? The postal employees shrink back with a kind of wary look. The highway patrolman rolls his eyes at Les, glares at the PO workers while saying "Why don't you do that Mrs Schell". She does, and there are no wires, timers or cylindrical objects in the box, just a Lee bullet mould. The package gets mailed after a half hour of embarrassment for my wife thanks to these idiotic shenanigans by the US Post Office.....

Yes, unfortunately, we have to be careful of terrorism these days, but doesn't the Post Office have a list of what can and can't be mailed (I thought it was only primers and powder) and "when" there may possibly be a "cause" for alarm? I sincerely doubt that an english speaking (better than the PO employee I'll bet!) lady, just trying to mail a bullet mould in it's original box qualifies as such..... :roll:

FWIW,

Dennis

[454PB]

My son works for USPS, so I know most of the clerks. I mailed some boolits the other day and the clerk says "man this is heavy for it's size". I told him it was full of cast boolits, and he says "well that explains it".

Unfortunately your wife had a run in with some under trained employees. If you do a Google, you can find the USPS web site, which has all the rules and regulations. I recently mailed a black powder rifle via USPS, so I found all the rules and printed them out in case there was any hassle, which was not required.......the USPS employees that work here apparently get better training.

[NVcurmudgeon]

I have found that I can find a way to describe things without using any of the evil gun or ammunition buzzwords that so frighten the ignorami, and still be truthful. They have never batted an eye at simple terms such as "tool."

[Bucks Owin]

I have found that I can find a way to describe things without using any of the evil gun or ammunition buzzwords that so frighten the ignorami, and still be truthful. They have never batted an eye at simple terms such as "tool."

I usually do too, and I probably should have at least wrapped it up so the horrifying word "bullet" couldn't be seen.....

But who would expect such: A) Ignorance of their own regulations B) extreme overreaction to a simple "tool" ?!?

The LEO thought they were being pretty "silly" too FWIW...

Dennis

[Duckiller]

Dennis: I have had an experience similar to your wife, but the ladies at our local post office we politer. I was mailing a couple dozen cast boolits to another member of this board an I wasn't sure of the rules. Took an envelope of boolits to the window a said I wanted to mail them, was it legal. Clerk wasn't sure so she got out the book of regulations. Book said can't mail cartridges, no mention of boolits,ie projectiles. clerk still wasn't sure,called her supervisor, she didn't know. Would never have mailed them if it hadn't been for some man in the back room who knew the difference between projectiles and loaded ammo. No police were called nor did anyone get too upset, just tried to properly apply rules that they didn't fully understand. Probably because they,the clerks, had never fired a gun. If I was your wife I would be a little upset with the Post Office. I would check with your CHP officier and see how many times he has been called to that Post Qffice for terrorist threats by Canadians. If she is the first then I would complain to the Regional headquarters of the PO. That local office needs training. Might also complain to your local congressman. Sen Fienstien probably isn't too interested in gun problems ,unless she can get publicity for taking some away from lawabiding citizens. With my problem, I just assumed it was a lack of knowledge and experience and that it wouldn't have been any problem in a rural area where lots of people shoot. Bottom line is theyoung postal employee needs to be taught to listen to what her customers are saying and what her rule book says and if she is not sure , get it out and read. also that entire PO needs to be taught that their job is to handle the mail not check out the green cards of Canadian citizens. They wouldn't have checked the Green Card of a Mexician citizen even In NORTHERN Cal. I am embarassed the way the post office treated your wife, I appologizes for idiots who don't know or understand the rules that they are supposed to administer. Duckiller

[Dale53]

As Curmudgeon states, "They have never batted an eye at simple terms such as "tool." That is the key. I am an American citizen who, for a long time, have tried to understand the ignorant but politically correct and avoid the wrong "buzz words". It makes life MUCH simpler.

Dale53
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[Scrounger]

And it could all have been avoided by simply laying the addressed package on the counter and saying nothing. They would simply have weighed it and told her the cost. I long ago learned that giving people more information than they need to know is the easiest way to create a problem. Never volunteer information, just answer questions with only the required information. The old KISS Principle, Keep It Simple -----

[Bucks Owin]

And it could all have been avoided by simply laying the addressed package on the counter and saying nothing. The old KISS Principle, Keep It Simple -----

I had nothing handy to package it IN! That was the point of getting a big padded envelope at the PO. Why the hell should anyone go through all that crapola over attempting to mail a glorified pair of pliers? Because of the word "bullet" on the box?!? Does the word "bullet" signify some kinda terrorist device? And where the hell does a postal employee (who doesn't even know the regulations and is too damn stupid to just go look it up) get off grilling my wife about citizenship? Are postal employees part of the INS now? Has it come to the point in this country where you need to show ID to mail a friggin TOOL in the mail? C'mon...
It was stupidity by the PO employees. Period.

Dennis

[44woody]

all this for a bloody mould well this is what I have to say abut this whole mess (1) they were definitely wrong in the way they handled this (2) they do owe your wife an apology that is for sure (3) they at the post office do need to be trained right and in this case a lot better at handling people and (4) if you look up the post office web site and put in these delivery confirmation #03060320000352477910 and you will see that this package has not been delivered yet hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm but it has been delivered all this makes you wonder :castmine: 44Woody

[montana_charlie]

I retired (about three years ago) after working for the USPS for fifteen years. I wasn't a carrier or window clerk, I ran the docks where trucks came and went.
So, I only rarely had contact with 'customers'. When that happened, my response was always as logical and honest as I could make it. If the question was 'When does the Billings truck arrive?...I said 2 a.m. If they asked 'What's the postage for shipping half an ostrich to Bangladesh"...I said I dunno, but (that guy right there) can tell you.

It's amazing how many people today think it is demeaning to say, "I don't know".
It's also amazing how much **** they can lay out while hiding that fact.

Unfortunately, the management corps in the Postal System has some strange philosophies. Part of that is caused by archaic management methods, and part is management trying to have the work get done while not violating (some pretty strange) union agreements.

All in all, it creates a place of employement which is the most illogical that I have ever witnessed. People are required to do 'weird' things...or do reasonable things in a 'weird' manner...or do something normal, in a reasonable manner, but do it for a 'weird' reason. Employees who try to actually understand 'postal logic' end up doing weird things, in weird ways, for weird reasons...calling it 'normal'...and thinking the rest of the world has gone 'weird'.

Other employees act the same way while attempting to maintain their sanity...by trying hard not to understand anything.

I was happy to remain out on the dock. Carriers, window clerks, and distribution clerks working 'inside' were the most heavily influenced by 'postal logic'.
There isn't much weirdemss that can be introduced when the job consists of picking up an item...carying it out of a truck...and placing it on a pile of similar items.
Plus...working in temperatures below zero tends to eliminate the desire to waste time acting 'weird'.

I think it's idiotic that your wife ran into such a pile of 'weirdness' while trying to mail a simple package. It's also embarrassing (or should be) to any Postal employee who hears it...but we (most of us) would admit that it (or something equally weird) is rather predictable. That is unfortunate, but true.

Scrounger's advice to provide only as much information as is necessary is the safest bet.

44woody,
That Delivery Confirmation will never be resolved.
The little barcode didn't get scanned when the parcel was delivered, or something occurred that caused the scan data to be lost.

Did you ever get in trouble for losing something when you were a kid?

Mom says, "No dinner until you find that new glove you lost." Well, it's probable that the glove was never found...and you only got to eat 'cause Mom knew when to 'let it go'.

You may as well do the same in this case...unless you want to ask the Postmaster to refund your four bits, because you didn't get the service you paid for.
CM

[David R]

"Lead samples for testing"

Or for Beer "food samples for evaluation"

Done Both :)

David

[Four Fingers of Death]

It was only a few years ago that the Post Office clerk would have had a piece under the counter and would have known all about bullets and guns and would have whipped it out if you had'ah given him or her a hard time! Mick.

[Lloyd Smale]

anytime they ask i just call it machine parts

[Oldfeller]

Its a sign of the times -- I got hassled twice by the post office during the last mold ship out, once because I was putting the things in the drop box after hours (which broke no rules, they just didn't like it) and once for shipping a parcel using first class stamps (no **** -- I'm serious. It got sent back to my house for an additional $4.25 in postage since it was supposed to go first class).

These are liberal minded government peons doing what ignorant government drones do best -- aggravating the people they disagree with whenever they can however they can. They DON'T LIKE those colorful red LEE bullet mold boxes, that's for sure.

We need to come up with an oversleeve that says "Ronco Deer Vitamin Feeder -- made from recycled aluminum" just to cut down on the aggravation factor.

<g>

Oldfeller

[felix]

You have to work a good relationship with the counter guy and use only him/her. If that person is not present, just go back home. I had to do this several times during the gas check mailings. I would not mail anything that looks like gun stuff on the box because it will be stolen or thrown into some kind of xray bin at some intermediate large city routing center, causing untold delays and mostly worries. It does help shipping in those fixed price envelopes/boxes, even though the price would be high for an aluminum mold. ... felix

[9.3X62AL]

I get asked pretty frequently what a parcel contains when shipping boolit samples or molds from my hometown Post Office. Dunno why, maybe I look subversive or Canadian. Molds get the standard answer "machined tools", while the boolit packs are called "tin alloy castings". NO references to firearms, lead, or any other evil-in-the-small-minds-of-leftists possibilities.

WTF prompted the remarks about citizenship anyway? What a passel of sapheads. This whole Homeland Security mindset looks more and more like the theme element in the John Belushi film "1941" every day. Yeah, we gotta watch out for those Canadians, all right--before long, they'll be storming the border. Gimme a break......

[DLCTEX]

The mail in our small town now has to go to Amarillo and then back (100 miles each way) before it can be put in the boxes in the building where it was mailed. When questioned, the Postmisstriss said it was done to improve efficiency???

[guninhand]

A good way around nosey questions about heavy packages is to call them "project tiles" (as opposed to projectiles). Questioner then usually assumes they are ceramic tiles or some such for a building project.

Reminds me of the time I had to do a household move but employer did not pay for watercraft transport. Canoe was on the list so I put a check mark next to it and it became a canoel. No problem shipping a canoel, whatever that is.

[Buckshot]

..............I had ordered a 2 Band P58 Enfield muzzle loader from Navy Arms at about the time the fine folks at UPS decided emplyee theft was so rampant that easily concealed boxes containing PISTOLS now had to go Red Label. So you get to pay like $38 each way back to the manufacturer for warrenty or gunsmith work.

Their problem, we pay.

Turns out Navy Arms sent me a 3 groove 72" twist 2 Band P56 Enfield instead of the correct 5 groove 48" twist P58. I'd called them up and they said are you sure, and I said yes I am. They said we'll get the right one out to you today, and you send the incorrect one back. Pretty nice I thought.

So I pack it up and drive the 8 miles to the UPS terminal. Not an independant storefront dealie but the real honest to Pete UPS distribution terminal.

The female UPS being behind the counter sees the label address going to Navy ARMS and asks if it's a firearm. I say it's a muzzle loader. It's a non-gun and could be old shredded skivvies so far as the US Gubmint is concerned. Well it's a gun and we have new regs about shipping guns, I'm informed. The shipping is like $84. I basicly said she was full of stuff and she really oughta check with someone.

There are people in line behind me, but I had to wait and so they can wait. Besides it isn't my fault. Be mad at the UPS creature and not me. So she comes back and says that she checked and all guns have to go Red Lable. So I told her to get the tag off the box, grabbed the box off the counter and out the door I went, and raced back home.

Pulled up the UPS site on the web, and just as I knew already, it had to do with handguns only. I then called UPS customer service. I explained that they had a lame brain working at their Loma Linda, CA facility who obviously wouldn't know a handgun from a howitzer and maybe they should include pictures with their memo's so these cretins who live in caves might have a clue. Besides having driven 16 miles round trip, I am now obliged to drive ANOTHER 16 miles round trip to ge this package shipped.

Could she PLEASE call the Loma Linda, CA facility and speak with someone there to clarify the situation as there are obviously at least 2 employees who are in desperate need of education. I can assure you I had my sarcasm throttle firewalled during the conversation and little Miss Perky on the other end had picked up on it.

So back down I went and got in line behind 3 other people. Someone had obviously called because when the counter being saw me and my long box in line she snarled :-). When I got to the counter I didn't even get a surly, "Hihoweryou" ner nuthin'. She just took the box and dropped it on the scale. I also told her I wanted it insured for $350 in case any of the theives that UPS employed happened to take it home with them. THAT got me a look, ha!

.................Buckshot

[StarMetal]

Way to go Buckshot. It's all because of the anti-gunners in this country. It's time we took this country back.

Joe

[Edward429451]

When I went to ship 454PB a few bullets for hardness testing, the idgit girl says what's in it (a padded envelope) and I just gave her a weird look like whats it your business, and said nothing. After a moment of silence she says well is it any hazardous material, chemicals or firearms? I said no and the idjit girl was able to do her job without any more fuss on her part.

The less said the better.

[David R]

I shipped some boolits to some one else on this board. I put em in an old hornady lead boolit box. The counter person at the post office saw the box and said "you are not shipping bullets are you?" I said no. Off they went.

David

[azrednek]

After spending numerous years at the post office I know exactly where the cunfusion comes from. All USPS regs are contained in a book at every post office. There are no, unless it has changed regualtions contained in the Domestic Mailing Manual pertaining to ammo but if they knew what they were doing they could find it covered under the regulations pertaining to solid propellents. When a half-wit employee searches the book they can't find anything. The mailing of ammo is covered under ATF guidlines and regualted since the GCA 68. Brass and lead can be mailed, to save trouble say scrap lead samples or lead mold. DO NOT under any circumstances mail loaded ammo, primers, primed brass or powder. Doing so will be a triple whammy from ATF, USPS and the FAA all federal agecncies with armed agents with the authority to make an arrest. Air mail is shipped via passenger airlines, any of the agencies DO HAVE the authority to open your package and inspect the contents. The privacy statue protecting your handwritten letter does not apply to packages or at least that what I was told the courts have ruled. I was fortunate that in my area there is/was a Postal Inspector that is an avid collector, shooter and reloader and knew the ins and outs of mailing reloading componenets.

[azrednek]

After spending numerous years at the post office I know exactly where the cunfusion comes from. All USPS regs are contained in a book at every post office. There are no, unless it has changed regualtions contained in the Domestic Mailing Manual pertaining to ammo but if they knew what they were doing they could find it covered under the regulations pertaining to solid propellents. When a half-wit employee searches the book they can't find anything. The mailing of ammo is covered under ATF guidlines and regualted since the GCA 68. Brass and lead can be mailed, to save trouble say scrap lead samples or lead mold. DO NOT under any circumstances mail loaded ammo, primers, primed brass or powder. Doing so will be a triple whammy from ATF, USPS and the FAA all federal agecncies with armed agents with the authority to make an arrest. Air mail is shipped via passenger airlines, any of the agencies DO HAVE the authority to open your package and inspect the contents. The privacy statue protecting your handwritten letter does not apply to packages or at least that what I was told the courts have ruled. I was fortunate that in my area there is/was a Postal Inspector that is an avid collector, shooter and reloader and knew the ins and outs of mailing reloading componenets.

[Bucks Owin]

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this whole thread doesn't get diverted to some "security" computer somewhere. I mean gee whiz, lookit the scarey words involved here:

Terrosist
Post Office
Bullets
Firearms
Hazardous material
Projectiles

I bet "somebody" gets a look at this thread....

If so.......:castmine: ya idjit! Go back to your doughnuts! :roll:

Dennis :Fire:

[azrednek]

It was only a few years ago that the Post Office clerk would have had a piece under the counter and would have known all about bullets and guns and would have whipped it out if you had'ah given him or her a hard time! Mick.

When I first started working for the Post Office in 1979 one of the supervisors was a basement dealer. We used to buy, sell and trade on the workroom floor. All the dove hunters would bring their shotguns and leave them at their work station all day and go hunting after work. It all ended when the Postmasrer General decided to end all the postal massacres by declaring "no guns in the Post Office" and posting notices caliming it was illegal to have a firearm on a federal premisis.
The posters cited an obscure law pertaining to having a NFA weapon on federal property but cleverly left out sentances pertaining to lawfull purposes.

I stirred up the pot, going to the union and filing a grievance and the SHTF. The libs in the union reacted with "oh my god are you crazy, you'll go to jail". I excersised my rights and filed the grievance on my own behalf. As a resolve I demnaded that the USPS be responsible for my life, limp and property in my commute to and from the work place. I documented my case with police reports showing I was marked by a punk teeneage gang. Long story short, I never went to jail and continued to keep a gun in my parked car in the USPS parking lot. I was however warned if I was seen with the gun in the building or out of my car I would be prosecuted. I argued I would never be convicted and was told "maybe so but be prepared to spend a 100,000 in legal fees to prove your right, might be hard to do without a job".

[Bucks Owin]

Azrednek, I gots the perfect line for you:

"I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six"

Dennis :drinks:

[waksupi]

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this whole thread doesn't get diverted to some "security" computer somewhere. I mean gee whiz, lookit the scarey words involved here:

Terrosist
Post Office
Bullets
Firearms
Hazardous material
Projectiles

I bet "somebody" gets a look at this thread....

If so.......:castmine: ya idjit! Go back to your doughnuts! :roll:

Dennis :Fire:

Heck, I'll add a clincher. Taliban! Boom!

[wills]

I was in court one day, several years ago during a recess, the bailiff, a deputy sheriff was selling pistols in the courtroom. He kept them locked in one of the file cabinets. Cant do that now.

[Bigjohn]

It would appear from what has been placed in this thread that this madness is spreading far and wide. Recently here in Oz, Aust. Post imposed a ban on the posting of all knives, bayonets, swords, firearms and parts.

The Australian Knife Collectors Association 'stirred the pot' with the right people within Aust. Post and had that section recinded. Hurray, one for commonsence.

The Sporting Shooters Association of Aust. is or was fighting the restriction on firearms and parts. The result of which I do not know.

As Knifemakers, Gunsmiths and Dealers must cover a large area of country, if these bans had taken, the costs of repairs and sales would have skyrocketed.
I am in the same frame of mind as many on this forum; Casting samples for testing, instrutment parts or small machine parts. It says what they are but in another language.

John:coffee: :drinks:

[PatMarlin]

Don't forget fishing lures and bullet sinkers.. :mrgreen:

I've got to thank some USPS employee...

I bought a pre-64 Model 70, and it was shipped from Florida, US postal. The idiot FFL there sent it with the wrong town and the wrong zip.

My expensive 99% pre-64 was being bounced from town to town, until some postal worker put 2 and 2 together, and had it sent to our town. 2 weeks delay.

Can you imagine.. :roll:

[montana_charlie]

I excersised my rights and filed the grievance on my own behalf. As a resolve I demnaded that the USPS be responsible for my life, limp and property in my commute to and from the work place.
That is something I wish I had thought of, azredneck.

You would think that Montana is one place where Postal bosses would see firearms in vehicles as just natural. But, when that regulation came out, they glommed onto it like maggots on dead meat.

While I often did (and do) carry a gun in my truck, it's primarily a 'tool' which is sometimes needed when you live in the country and deal with livestock. I never had a 'self protection' motive until I got shot at (out on the Interstate)...one night while driving to work.

When the new regulation came down, I stopped carrying a weapon where it could be seen. But, your method would have been a better way to handle the matter. It would have benefitted everybody who wanted to carry.

Maybe I'll mention it to some of the guys who are still there...
CM

[454PB]

Way to go, Buckshot.

While I was still working, I had nearly daily run-ins with UPS. I did a lot of shipping, and grew to hate them. I started using USPS, not because my Son works there, but because it's cheaper, faster, and a lot less hassle. Our UPS terminal has weird hours, opens at 2:00 P.M. or some such, and is fully staffed by people such as Buckshot describes.

I personally would never try to ship anything that is verboten by using the "silent" method, or generic description. The odds are you would never get caught, but it isn't worth the risk. I also see the day coming when lead is considered harmful enough to be classified as "hazardous" and not allowed by USPS.

I had to return my Taurus Raging Bull for warranty work about a year ago, the liftime warranty is great, but the shipping was $55 to Florida via UPS.

We tend to lump all the employees together at USPS, just as we do in every occupation. I know from discussion with my Son how hard he works and the extra distance he goes. He has spent a lot of extra time and energy fixing damaged mailing labels, etc. to make things work. He started as Mt.Charlie on the docks, working the counter, and is now working in areas of maintenance that remove him from direct customer contact. He was also a union stewart for several years, and we swapped stories from my experience with those activities. The bottom line is that USPS learned their management techniques from corporate America, not the other way around.

Via "The Peter Principal", I was in lower management when I retired, and all the OSHA and EPA bureacracy was the push that convinced me it was time to retire and avoid "going postal".

[Scrounger]

Way to go, Buckshot.

While I was still working, I had nearly daily run-ins with UPS. I did a lot of shipping, and grew to hate them. I started using USPS, not because my Son works there, but because it's cheaper, faster, and a lot less hassle. Our UPS terminal has weird hours, opens at 2:00 P.M. or some such, and is fully staffed by people such as Buckshot describes.

I personally would never try to ship anything that is verboten by using the "silent" method, or generic description. The odds are you would never get caught, but it isn't worth the risk. I also see the day coming when lead is considered harmful enough to be classified as "hazardous" and not allowed by USPS.

I had to return my Taurus Raging Bull for warranty work about a year ago, the liftime warranty is great, but the shipping was $55 to Florida via UPS.

We tend to lump all the employees together at USPS, just as we do in every occupation. I know from discussion with my Son how hard he works and the extra distance he goes. He has spent a lot of extra time and energy fixing damaged mailing labels, etc. to make things work. He started as Mt.Charlie on the docks, working the counter, and is now working in areas of maintenance that remove him from direct customer contact. He was also a union stewart for several years, and we swapped stories from my experience with those activities. The bottom line is that USPS learned their management techniques from corporate America, not the other way around.

Via "The Peter Principal", I was in lower management when I retired, and all the OSHA and EPA bureacracy was the push that convinced me it was time to retire and avoid "going postal".

Absolutely!!! I started working there in 1960, about 10 years before it became the Postal Corporation or whatever it calls itself now. Believe me, it was 10 times more efficient in those days than it is now. Postmasters were political appointments but they did the ceremonial things and left the management to professionals who had many years of experience. In those days you had to work there 5 years before you could even take the test to get into management. Now promotions require no knowledge or experience, they are governed by political correctness, according to sex, color etc. I remember once our postmaster at the time, who happened to be black, appointed a "brother" who had all of 3 months experience as supervisor! This postmaster was busted for coke but didn't lose his job over it. He later lost his job in a long running scandel for forcing women to have sex with him to get or keep their jobs. Is it any wonder at all the post office shootings? I always thought we should have had more...

[USARO4]

As a current postal employee and former window clerk for 7 years I could'nt help but be amused by all this discussion. I transferred off the window job to get away from dealing with the public. Believe me there are plenty of idiots on both sides off the counter. At the post office in Nashville where I worked 3 out of the 4 window clerks were not only gun nuts but handloaders as well. I was the only bullet caster and had a nice display of shiney cast bullets of differant types at my work station. On more than one occasion a well dressed lady would admire them and pick one up saying "Oh, there so pretty, are they silver for jewelry? When I replied no mam they're bullets they would gasp, shriek, or almost faint, before dropping them like they were as hot as just coming out of the mold. They would sometimes want to speak to my supervisor about me having dangerous explosive items on display where innocent people could be maimed while buying they're book of stamps. It was all just politically correct ignorance.

[KCSO]

I've gotten to the point that i don't argue anymore i just put it all in a plain brown wrapper and tell them it's steel tubing. I had the same hassle as Buckshot at USPS about shipping a rifle from my FFL to another FFL. After I pulled up the regs on the web site and showed them to the Area Manager I got my package shipped. Now they don't ask and i don't tell and isn't that a pi$$ poor way to do business! I think it all falls under tha guideline of make guns so much of a hassle that folks will give up, and it seems to be working.

[PatMarlin]

-please take no offense to this...

We are millions and millions strong. We are, and come from the generations that built and sustain this country. Let's not forget that, and lets not let these slim numbers of idiotic groups of people make it seem they are winning, and in the majority. THEY AT NOT!

We are.

[Ranch Dog]

I just shipped 357Maximum some boolits. Postmaster asked me why the little box was so heavy... "lead boolits, stupid!" Of course, the postmaster is an officer in the gun club. Gotta love a small town.

Beartooth boolits ships all his bullets USPS flat rate.

[nvbirdman]

I always get a laugh out of the Postal policy of bring a gun to work and you'll be fired. I have this picture in my head of a guy going postal and the postmaster and a supervisor hiding in an office and the postmaster telling the supervisor "Go out there and tell that guy he's fired." and the supervisor of course says "Hell no, I ain't going out there, you go out and fire him."
Another feel-good policy with no teeth.

[rocklock]

A good way around nosey questions about heavy packages is to call them "project tiles" (as opposed to projectiles). Questioner then usually assumes they are ceramic tiles or some such for a building project.

I usually call them "cast figurines" when shipping boolits.

A friend was sending a muzzleloader to his son in Colorado. When the clerk asked what was in the box he told her that it was a precision hole-making tool...

[Bucks Owin]

That's all fine to BS about what it is you are mailing through the USPS....

Thing is, when they ASK you and you tell them the truth regarding an item that's LEGAL to mail and you end up with the CHP in the PO?

What a crock... :roll:

Dennis

[44woody]

on June I sent a member of this board 2020 cast bullets and our post officr failed again out of the 2020 that I sent only 610 of them made it to there destanation I duct taped the box closed that is less than 1/3 of what I sent got there :castmine: 44Woody