What about a recommended or favorite load section?

[Bigscot]

How difficult would it be to have/put together a recommended or favorite load section here? I was thinking it cut down on redundant questions (from me) if someone decides/start reloading for a new bullet or cartridge. I know I have seen people post loads here only to go back later and try and find a particular load (once I started wanting a particular load/bullet) and could not find it.
Just thinking out loud.

Bigscot

[Gunload Master]

You got this 45nut?

[Buckshot]

How difficult would it be to have/put together a recommended or favorite load section here? I was thinking it cut down on redundant questions (from me) if someone decides/start reloading for a new bullet or cartridge. I know I have seen people post loads here only to go back later and try and find a particular load (once I started wanting a particular load/bullet) and could not find it.
Just thinking out loud.

Bigscot

Castpics has load data for surplus powders. No canister grade and pistol cartridge material is rather light.

..............Buckshot

[Willbird]

What would be cool I think would be a reloading board split up with different calibers, and another on technique, then we would have a home for stuff like MR44Man posted on 44 magnum and factors involved in getting near minute of angle accuracy.

Loads verbatim can be a bit dicey due to possible mis-types, BUT it is possible for those interested to build a small library of agreed upon load manuals, mine would be. One then could referance "Lee's listed maximum for a 240 grain bullet, and in a strong gun I use 2.0 grains more of XYZ with the normal care in working up"

1. Lyman

2. Lee

3.Hogden

just a few .02

[MT Gianni]

Could we get Jumptrap to moderate it?

[StarMetal]

I think putting loads on the forum in a section devoted to them could be a bad idea. Say so and so has a hot load for some cartridge and the gun he shoots it in is very strong, then along comes a newbie, with out much experience and knowledge about reloading, and he has a weaker gun in this same caliber and he loads that hot load and BOOM !!!!

No thanks, I'm not getting involved and giving any of my loads. It's too risky. If someone pm's me I'll discuss it with them. That way I can feel them out, find out what kind of firearm they have, etc. But I'm not posting loads.

Joe

[Jumptrap]

Could we get Jumptrap to moderate it?

It'd be a short list, I could guarantee that!

I could launch into a diatribe on the foibles and wasted breath, but alas, I will offer this:

To all of those looking for 'a load', sit your *** down at the loading bench and work one up, while you're at it, you'll learn something through the process.....enough that you won't be asking somebody else to do the work for you. I consider asking for a load to be akin to asking somebody to take a bowel movement for you. I think the development of a load for YOUR gun is just as personal as the aformentioned bodily function. End of rant.

[Bigscot]

I posted this thread as a way to cut back on some of the redundant questions I have seen on this board and a way to possibly organize some of the vast knowldege which resides here. I realize it is risky posting a load and someone using it incorrectly. But I would think if someone is on this board then they would/should have the sense to check out/compare a load with a manual first.
Is posting a load any more dangerous than posting what size of bullet you shoot? Could some shoot a boolit that was sized too large for their gun because they read that a particular size worked in someone else's gun and blow their's up?
I have asked for load recommendations here not because I am too lazy to work up a load. Believe me I love to shoot. I have asked for recommedations because of all the loads which are listed in manuals. There may be 5 or 6 or more powders listed for a given bullet or weight. I can't afford that many powders for testing purposes. But if I hear several people say 7.x+/- grs of XYZ have worked good for them, then I might look at that powder. In my .44 SHR, 2400 is a good example. I had never used it before reading here about so many people using it. But I didn't just take someone's pet load and start using it. I worked up to it. I have not used green or blue dot but have heard about it here and may give it a try.
I have asked alot questions here and received a lot of helpful information. I have also seen mine and other's questions repeated in some form or another and thought some sort of load reference would be helpful.

Bigscot

[StarMetal]

Bigscott

But I would think if someone is on this board then they would/should have the sense to check out/compare a load with a manual first.


In the world today you never assume something.

Joe

[Buckshot]

.................Those who have voiced the concern of possible unsafe load data being presented here in a special section are echoing the same thing discussed about the surplus powder data shown on Castpics. Those people who work up load data for publication must spend many a sleepless night as the work goes to the printer.

You would think that anyone with a couple of brain cells to rub together would know, at least through a bit of casual knowledge drifting through their heads that you don't start at the top. Or that getting a 2nd opinion via another manual or discussion with knowledgable people might be a good idea. Sundog added several instructions and disclaimers to Castpics load data section.

Yet, I recall reading a kids recital of his and his dad's experience in reloading for the 6.5 Swede. Used some fast pistol powder because they had it, regardless it's suitability. Then they decided that it didn't appear that they had enough in the case to do much good so they added more! This wasn't a couple elementary school kids but also an adult. They wrecked the rifle, and got a dose of wood splinters and minor cuts. What were they thinking? Where did their ideas of reloading come from? You cannot protect idiots like that.

Personally I wouldn't be against a listing of the members' favorite cast boolit loads. One reason is that for the most part I doubt that the bulk of them for rifles would exceed 40K pressures. Probably most of us could probably rattle off 4 or 5 loads for cartridges of 308 to 30-06 volumn, even though we might not have ever reloaded a couple of'em.

For me, pistol data would be an iffy issue as I'm not really conversant in that field. Those who are could probably do the same thing I mentioned about rifle loads for similar sized (volume) cases. But pistol powders are SO much more energetic grain for grain then the run of the mill rifle powder, that being careless with 1/2gr increases can be problematic with some cartridges.

It's like at the range this past Tuesday. One of the guys got one of those M48 Mausers from Mitchell's Mausers. He asked about loads suitable for it with cast lead, and mentioned he had Unique on hand. Well, to my way of thinking you can do pretty well with 5 powders in rifle cartridges of that size. Besides Unique at 10-12 grs, I said 16-18 grs 2400, 18-20 grs SR4759, 20-22 grs 4227, and 21-24 grs 4198. I could no more do that with some pistol cartridge then the man in the moon.

................Buckshot

[Bass Ackward]

All,

Manufacturers and ammunition companies accept statistics gathered through history to help legally justify operation. This is why you don't see a lot of new cartridges all the time. Or why manufacturers keep 38" twists in 44 Mags. History is their best legal defense.

With cast you add a whole new list of variables for which we have a limited scientific information to back up. Just three variables: bullet size, lube type, and metalurgy can mean the difference between safe and not. Even with low pressure loads. Then comes temperature ets. Particularly in handguns, listing a load without listing your technique or the big three, bullet size, lube, and hardness amounts to pretty useless information anyway really.

Most people know and understand this. But some people aren't looking for a load really. They are looking for .... new ideas or an excuse to try something different. What they actually gain through a recommendation is not the load. But the confidence to try something different. Maybe they are not satisfied and at a cross roads where they will decide to ward off shooting cast. We all need ideas from time to time to get a boost or we wouldn't read these boards.

It is for this reason I disagree with Mark about providing loads. It spurs learning when someone hasn't yet obtained "personal satisfaction". So if people want or NEED a reason to try something else that spurs experimentation / shooting, then I say provide it. It helps the sport. Good judgement has to be placed by both the guy listing the load and the user. A user should know to always start low and work up. But in the end, just like you can't legislate morality, you can't protect people from themselves either.

If you decide that you want a load section, it can be a seperate board where when people register, they get a screen that lists a disclaimer that they must accept to gain entrance too. That way the board is covered. You just have to live with your concience with what you post.

[sundog]

BA, kinda like the castpics disclaimer:

http://www.castpics.net/RandD/load_data/load_data.htm

I don't have a problem with a discourse of loads amongst seasoned handloaders, or as learning information for less experienced loaders, especially the 'how to' part that most of us seem to be somewhat comfortable with. That said, there is nothing stopping anyone from suing anyone else for just about anything, regarless of disclaimer. The mere fact that you post here could even get you subpoenaed (and that includes you, Jump, even if you don't post loads, but I respect your opinion not too). You can't keep someone else from having success or failure, and if they feel it is your fault..., well, see ya in court. So you either get what you consider adequate insurance or stick your head back in the shell. Our system is so properly established (and screwed up) at this point you and I have no affect on it and can't change it. We have to survive inside it. This exactly why I recommend to new reloaders to take the NRA course from a certified NRA instructor. Like it or not NRA is our resident expert in this country for this type of training. And, again, anyone can sue them or the instructor. Here's a thought. If you teach someone, and you are not a certified instructor, and they hurt themselves, and you wind up in court and have no basis for providing expert instruction, can you imagine what the other party's attorney could do to you?

I don't see any more liability in discussing a load here than getting one from a manual (double charging a book load, for example, is easy enough, isn't it?). Like I said, you can't control some dumb ***'s actions when he's competing for a Darwin Award any more than you can keep him from suing you. Life is grand as long as you're not afraid to live it..., or get stoopid! sundog

[Buckshot]

................In all actuality I suppose we already have it in the "Reloaders Guide" forum.

................Buckshot