45-270 Saa ?

[lar45]

I think we need a copy of the 45-270 SAA mold in a Lee 6 cavity mold.
With an OD of .454" ?
Anybody else think so? There is the 452424 going on now that will weigh what? 255-265? Isn't the 270 SAA supposed to weigh around 285 from WW?

Thoughts? I could do the drawing if someone sends me a boolit, but I'm way too busy to Honcho the buy.

Thoughts? are we too 45ed out for now? I still want a .375 190gn something also.

[Bodydoc447]

That is just about my favorite bullet in the .45 Colt as cast from the RCBS mould. I would love it if a 6 cavity were made along those lines.

Doc

[Wildcat]

I'm a former lurker, but the mere mention of that bullet design in a group buy prompted me to register. That one is tops in my book for the .45. Obviously count me in should this thing come together.

[felix]

The problems I am having with these boolit designs is that my ideal of a great design is one that fits both pistols and rifles. It seems the Keiths fit the revolters well, but not the current crop of lever guns. Ranch dog's designs have the great idea of having a bunch of crimp grooves which makes his design much more universal. But, the more the boolit sticks towards the lands on these rifles, the resulting powder space increase forces the use of the slowest powders (like mentioned by BA) for good ignition. ... felix

[Catshooter]

Youmust be as busy as you said kid. If you read my threads on the Keith boolits, I intend to do a GB for just such a .45 and also one at about 315 grain.

It'll be awhile, as we do have a bunch of GBs going on just now. I figured I'd spread 'em out a bit, do 'em one at a time.

Have ya got a big grin goin'?

I was wondering why I hadn't heard from you on the first Keith buy. I mean, look at your handle!


Cat

[lar45]

Youmust be as busy as you said kid. If you read my threads on the Keith boolits, I intend to do a GB for just such a .45 and also one at about 315 grain.

Have ya got a big grin goin'?

I was wondering why I hadn't heard from you on the first Keith buy. I mean, look at your handle!
Cat

Yes, big grin started :)
I have just skimmed a few things. I sent a check for the 452424 mold. Is there another one that was already done?? :(
My pore old 44 Bisley used to be the prom queen to get oogled, fondled and taken out every weekend. Now it's turned into the barren old spinster, all but forgotten while I've had my 10 year fling with the 45 colt. She's a light and sassy little 4 5/8" stainless blackhawk that can really get your attention when you caress her light trigger on some heavy 350's or 405's!
Then came the 454, 45-70 BFR, 475 BFR and the 4" 500 S&W.(and the 45/444 deringer)

It's surprising how light and pleasant it can be to go back to the 44 mag.

If something comes up with 45 in it's name, please drop me a line so I can have a look see.
I remember back when the 230BD ACP was being discussed. I said I'd buy one of everything that everybody else wanted to do if we could get the BD ACP done. (thanks, I really like it) Our community was abit smaller then so I've slacked off on getting one of everything. I do have a few that haven't even been heated up yet.

What was I talking about?
Oh, it must be time to pour the lube.

Oh, did you guys see the article about shooting 300 gn boolits in the 45 acp? I think the bullets are being made in Montana and look like a rebated boattail so the base doesn't raise a ridge in the case wall from being soo long.
I think it would be a great idea to make some cast boolits almost like them.

take care.
Glenn.

[Catshooter]

Glenn,

I have an old .451-310 from NEI that is a Keith.

I'm gonna try some cast with pure lead at about 600 fps out of my ADC .45 auto/rim derringer.

I like the 255 grain Keith at 950 fps out of it, but they shoot way over the sights so I want something a bit slower.

Ani't .45s the best?


Cat

[High Desert Hunter]

Cat, what do you load those 255's with? When 1st I got me grubby mits on my SA 1911A1, a Lee 255gr RNFP bullet was all I had to try out of it, so I set the Dillon powder measure for 5gr of Unique and cranked out a box, but I was worried that I was going to beat the crap out of my new shooter, for the last few weeks I have been loading piles of 200gr SWC from a Lee 6 holer, they work great, but if I could find a good load for the 255s that won't abuse the 1911, I would like to give them a run as well. The 270SAA over the same charge of Unique shot well above the Novak Combat Sights, they were a single magazine experiment after reading the handloader article on heavy 45ACP bullets. Thanks.

Dave

[45Jack]

I think we need a copy of the 45-270 SAA mold in a Lee 6 cavity mold.
With an OD of .454" ?
Anybody else think so? There is the 452424 going on now that will weigh what? 255-265? Isn't the 270 SAA supposed to weigh around 285 from WW?

Thoughts? I could do the drawing if someone sends me a boolit, but I'm way too busy to Honcho the buy.

Thoughts? are we too 45ed out for now? I still want a .375 190gn something also.

Mine casts 182-183 from WW's.
Real nice slug.
Jack

[Catshooter]

HPH,

If you are refering to the 255 out of a 1911, I have settled on 4.6 - 4.7 grains of Universal Clays. This give me just at 800 fps. I don't think I'm abusing the pistol because, yes, the boolit is heavier but it's also just a bit slower and it's lead. Much softer and easier to accelerate than a J boolit.

Of course, that's my gun and YMMV, use my load at your own risk and so forth you know the drill.

[High Desert Hunter]

Thanks amigo, I figured if I kept them slow, it should beat the gun up any worse than a 230 at 900fps.

Dave

[lar45]

I picked up a shok buff kit for one of my 45's that came with some rubberish bumper pads that go around the recoil spring for the slide to bounce off of instead of hitting the frame. If your worried about punishing your gun, you might think about something like that. You can also get a heavier recoil spring for it.
I use military TZZ 45 brass for all my loads. It has less internal space, so I reduce loads by 15%ish. It seems to be really strong and is great to load with. I accidently ran some 230's at 1300fps with an unsuported barrel and the brass was fine.
I read that same article about heavy weight 45 acps. I think I'll start a thread in mold design for it.

[High Desert Hunter]

Sounds good. The Handloader Magazine article from a few months ago sparked this interest. I really like the 200gr SWC from the Lee 6 Cav, but messing around with the bigger stuff is fun too. I have some shock buffers, I use them when shooting the bigger bullets. The 270SAA will feed in my 1911, but talk about shooting way high, and they sit DEEP in the case, I think the Lee FCD really helps in this regard. I do think that a 6 Cav 270SAA would be excellent, just wonder about bullet shrinkage that I have read about in other locations.

Dave

[Cayoot]

Geez am I confused!!!! (Kinda my normal state of mind[smilie=1: ). Is the 270 SAA project going to launch from here or from Catshooter's series? I really want to get one where ever it comes from!

[Bodydoc447]

I'm with you Cayoot. Anywhere it comes from I am in for the 270 SAA. It is my favorite .45 Colt bullet hands down.

Doc

[lar45]

Geez am I confused!!!! (Kinda my normal state of mind[smilie=1: ). Is the 270 SAA project going to launch from here or from Catshooter's series? I really want to get one where ever it comes from!

I was just talking about it here before I looked further at Catshooter's plans.
It is not happening right now, so don't be worried about missing out. I'm sure there will be a formal announcement when it does happen.

Will we get in trouble calling it a 45-270 SAA? Maybe change the name to 454-270 CAS or something?

[lar45]

Glenn,

I have an old .451-310 from NEI that is a Keith.
I'm gonna try some cast with pure lead at about 600 fps out of my ADC .45 auto/rim derringer.
I like the 255 grain Keith at 950 fps out of it, but they shoot way over the sights so I want something a bit slower.

Ani't .45s the best?
Cat

I do love 45s. I have a couple of those FMJ derringers in 45/410. One is a double barrel side x side, the other is a 22lr over the 45/410. They both take 3" 410's. The 22 bbl shoots suprizingly well. I can usually hit a soda can out to 15 yds or so. I have taken some 444 marlin cases and cut them back some, then loaded with 340gn bullets that I shoot in the Casull. You have to go real carefull on upping the velocity. It can get rude in a hurry. What I did was setup a target at about 15-20 yds, then shot increasing loads until it hit the center of the target. Kind of like regulating a double rifle? Or finding a load that will shoot to the rifles regulation.
These will fit in a pocket and not give them selves away.
I almost had to peel the face off a goblin one night in San Diego(3" 410 with no. 4s). Seems this guy thought me and my Navy buddies looked like easy pickins, he was about to get in the small guy's face, then he noticed that I had the drop on him and his whole attitude changed.

Isn't there a saying somewhere about an armed society being a polite society?

[Cayoot]

I was just talking about it here before I looked further at Catshooter's plans.
It is not happening right now, so don't be worried about missing out. I'm sure there will be a formal announcement when it does happen.

Will we get in trouble calling it a 45-270 SAA? Maybe change the name to 454-270 CAS or something?


So Lar45, are you saying that Catshooter IS planning on including the 45-270 in his series? That is great news if so! :drinks:

[Catshooter]

Cayoot,

I'll give it to ya straight from the horse's, uh, mouth. Yep I'm gonna do a .45 Keith that Keith couldn't get as he was restricted by the pistols of the day short cylinders.

With the band and groove width he wanted it'll come out to something very like the 270 SAA, 'cept in a six banger!

We'll probably also do a .45 heavy like about 310-320 or so.


Cat

[Lloyd Smale]

Im in for a 270 if someone does it.

[Cayoot]

Cayoot,

I'll give it to ya straight from the horse's, uh, mouth. Yep I'm gonna do a .45 Keith that Keith couldn't get as he was restricted by the pistols of the day short cylinders.

With the band and groove width he wanted it'll come out to something very like the 270 SAA, 'cept in a six banger!

We'll probably also do a .45 heavy like about 310-320 or so.
Cat

They both sound great! I'm sure I'll be buying both of them. Thanks for the straight info Cat.

[madcaster]

I want one too.
Jeff.

[madcaster]

Where are we at on this one?I'm all set....

[gregg]

Where are we at on this one?I'm all set....
I think your to late?
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=7161

[Catshooter]

No Greg, the thread you've posted is for the first .45 GB, it'll run about 250-255.

We'll do one later that'll run out 270-280.

Probably later in the year as there's a pile of GBs going on now.


Cat

[Lloyd Smale]

any idea when this one is going to get off the ground? Id probably buy two of them if its an exact copy of the rcbs bullet.

[fivegunner]

I would like two of them in six cavity myself let me know where to send the money!:coffee: :castmine: :-D

[Catshooter]

Lloyd,

Read the post just above yours.


Cat

[GLL]

I will take two (2) of these myself.

I think we are already up to about 12 and the buy has not even been posted ! :) :)

This would be very popular and reach the 25 quickly !

Jerry

[G50-70]

I passed on getting the 452424. I am waiting for this one. The 270 SAA is one of my favorite .45 Colt boolits for use with smokeless powder.

I'm in as soon as this gets going.

Gary

[gregg]

I passed on getting the 452424. I am waiting for this one. The 270 SAA is one of my favorite .45 Colt boolits for use with smokeless powder.

I'm in as soon as this gets going.

Gary

Here a thought . Get all of them as the case maybe. With fix sighted 45's
and the trying to get heavy and lite loads to shoot to the same point of aim
it will give you more of a chance.

[madcaster]

I MAY take 2 myself...
Jeff.

[45Jack]

Mine casts 182-183 from WW's.
Real nice slug.
Jack
oops that should have been 282-283 grains from WW's.:roll:

[JimL]

I am in for for two of these when the deal gets going. Beats the heck out of running two of the RCBS 270s while tryin to keep a set of a different bullet molds running too. The mentioning above also for the 310-320gr Keith would be a sweat one also. I like the RCBS 300SWCGC but a 320K is down right Purty. BTW, If anyone has a NEI that cast the heavy Keith I would do some trading for LBTs say 200 or so? Or a 2 cavity mold that is no longer cast with that may be for sale. Will keep an eye on this GB. Have a good one.

Jim

[madcaster]

Back to the top for this one!
I'm all set....

[madcaster]

Is anyone else wanting in on this mould?
Jeff.

[chadbr]

I'm in...

[Johnch]

I would take one :drinks:

Johnch

[45Jack]

Is this going to happen? I did my first casting with the 6 cavity 358/180 last night.
No comparison to using the 2 cavity 45-270 mold I have.

BTW: I have a Rossi in .45 Colt and a Winchester Trapper- both cycle the the 270 SWC without any trouble.

[45 2.1]

Is this going to happen? I did my first casting with the 6 cavity 358/180 last night.
No comparison to using the 2 cavity 45-270 mold I have.

BTW: I have a Rossi in .45 Colt and a Winchester Trapper- both cycle the the 270 SWC without any trouble.


Is this going to happen? Yes, it is. Everybody is about broke right now with property taxes, school, etc. Be patient and wait for it.

[45Jack]

Is this going to happen? Yes, it is. Everybody is about broke right now with property taxes, school, etc. Be patient and wait for it.

Just had my van towed to the shop yesterday. I got lot's more patience than money right now!:)
Got to thinking about this mold while I was casting .357's and was afraid I might have missed out on it.

Jack

[GLL]

I have a slightly different outlook on saving up for (and buying) GB moulds.

Most of the Group Buys run about 90 days from start to close. That works out to saving up about 65 cents/day. Smokers can cut back a couple of cigs per day, beers drinkers forego 1/2 can per day, etc. Since I do not smoke or drink I collect a sack of aluminum cans each day and that pays for all of my moulds.

I would like to see one new Keith Series mould come on line each month myself although I am in the minority. I am not as patient as most ! :) :)

Cat and 45 2.1 keep up the great work. The latest 454424 produces BEAUTIFUL
bullets. I feel they are FAR superior to the orginal and fall out of the mould with a gentle tap (quite unlike the original !).

I am off to dig in the trash for cans ! I have got to pay for that upcoming 429421 GB.

Jerry

[Catshooter]

Yep, we'll do this one. It's gonna be awhile though.