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Edward429451
05-23-2006, 10:00 PM
Everybody I know is going to 45's it seems. My sons, friends, etc..

My 2 cavity 452374 just can't keep up with my demand. I need a 4 holer or a 6 holer.

Any interest here for something similar?

Dale53
05-24-2006, 12:25 AM
Lee already has a design in both two and six cavity moulds (round nose in two styles - grease groove and tumble lube).
http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1148444507.5894=/html/catalog/bullmol2.html

Dale53

45 2.1
05-24-2006, 07:41 AM
The Lyman 452374 is the best RN for the 45 ACP out there. It would make a good GB. The TCFN is covered already.

sundog
05-24-2006, 09:12 AM
What 'everybody' might be 'discovering' is what alot of others have known for a long time. The 45 is 'hands down' the best all around pistol catridge ever made.

The 452374 is a fine boolit. It will feed and function in EVERY 45 I've ever tried it in. The Lee 45-230-RN will also, but for some reason it is not quite as accurate. Feed and function of both is as good as any 230 gr RN hard ball. The Lee 45-200-RF is very accurate and seems to feed and function quite reliably. I almost think it is a better boolit than the 452374 in several 1911s I've tried it in. Gotta remember, when J.B. first built the 1911 it was originally designed for a 200 grainer.

I know some fellers like to use a heavier boolit, like Lee 45-255-RF. That's a good'un, also, but I think that if you want to use heavier than 230, get a good revolter in 45 Colt (or go to a 41 or 44 maggy). sundog

dragonrider
05-24-2006, 09:37 AM
Yes I would be interested in a 6 hole 452374.

Edward429451
05-24-2006, 11:31 AM
6_CAVITY_452-228_1R = 50 bucks? That's not bad.

How much is Lymans 452374 6 cav? Would they give us a discount for a group/bulk buy?

Edward429451
05-24-2006, 04:51 PM
From what my gunshop says, Lymans 452374 does not come in 6 cav, but only 2 or 4 hole cavs. The 4 holer is 85 bucks...

Maybe we could get it down to 50 bucks with a bulk order? Anybody ever done that with Lyman?

alamogunr
05-24-2006, 05:00 PM
I would be interested in whatever shakes out. Somehow I don't think that Lyman would respond favorably to an inquiry about a GB. However, if someone wants to give it a try, I would still be interested. I have a few .45's that could use something like this.

John
"alamogunr'

Catshooter
05-24-2006, 08:50 PM
I'm pretty sure Lyman won't do custom orders.

NEI will, but they have a $200 set up fee, not waivable, and a six-holer is $200.

I too have had less accuracy from Lee's idea of a 452374.

I would buy at least one of this boolit, probably three, especially if 45 2.1 designed it.


Cat

High Desert Hunter
06-01-2006, 12:40 AM
I really like this 6 cav from Lee http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=336035

It is extremely accurate from my SA 1911A1, thinking of trying a truncated cone at 225grs, but as accurate as this one is, and with the cost of lead, I may just keep making one big hole at 25 yards with this one.

Dave

Ol'Scudder
06-18-2006, 10:33 PM
What 'everybody' might be 'discovering' is what alot of others have known for a long time. The 45 is 'hands down' the best all around pistol catridge ever made.

The 452374 is a fine boolit. It will feed and function in EVERY 45 I've ever tried it in. The Lee 45-230-RN will also, but for some reason it is not quite as accurate. Feed and function of both is as good as any 230 gr RN hard ball. The Lee 45-200-RF is very accurate and seems to feed and function quite reliably. I almost think it is a better boolit than the 452374 in several 1911s I've tried it in. Gotta remember, when J.B. first built the 1911 it was originally designed for a 200 grainer.

I know some fellers like to use a heavier boolit, like Lee 45-255-RF. That's a good'un, also, but I think that if you want to use heavier than 230, get a good revolter in 45 Colt (or go to a 41 or 44 maggy). sundog


Sundog, I sure am glad you mentioned the Lee 45-200-RF, as I have been eyeballin' it - and my mid-60's Gold Cup would surely appreciate one. The only thing holding me back has been that crimp groove and the thought that it must have been designed for a revolter, and wondering how it might feed in the ACP.

Do you by any chance recall the diameter the mold shucks them out at?

TIA Stan

Ol'Scudder
06-19-2006, 11:16 AM
Kinda got off track a little there fellers, please accept my apology. If the proposed GB leans toward the Lyman 452374, or one a bit lighter, i may be in for one of those - provided my "guidance system" will allow it.

Edward429451
06-19-2006, 12:05 PM
The 452374 is what I had in mind but Lyman will not do the deal. I wonder if Lee would cut the moulds to that spec. With regular lube groove!

Ol'Scudder
06-19-2006, 01:07 PM
Edward, I see no reason why Lee wouldn't do a 6 cavity based on the 452374, but you will need to talk to someone much more knowledgeable than I am.

Please refer to the post above by 45 2.1, who is one of the premiere boolit designers associated with this board, and would no doubt be willing to answer any question you might have relative to a GB of this boolit. Best of luck to you.

Edward429451
06-19-2006, 02:30 PM
Well, how about it 45 2.1? Care to pound us out a design based on the 452374 225 gr RN. .452, regular lube groove?

I've never honcho'd a GB before so don't really know how its handled with Lee, submission, haggling prices, anything. I'd be in for one mould (6 cavity). If this is going to be able to work, evryone who's interested gotta express interest to get it rolling.

45 2.1's design pics always seem to draw people in quick when posted. (hint hint).

Let's get this off the ground!

Any previous GB honcho's wanna step up and honcho it? (Or point me in the right direction, either way.)

Thanks.

Catshooter
06-19-2006, 07:30 PM
Gentlemen,

It might be awhile before 45 2.1 can post up a pic 'cause he's still getting his 'puter back up and running.

However, I can tell you that in a phone conversation with him he has mentioned that he would really like one of these. He & I were plotting to put together a GB for one these.

Lee will certainly build us one with a lube groove instead of tumble lube grooves.

I happen to have a 1961 vintage 452374 that I can even send 45 2.1 samples if he needs 'em.

I will honcho this if I have to, but I am running two right now and have about seven more schedualed. But if it's a matter of me honchoing or no mould, well . . .


Cat

Pepe Ray
06-19-2006, 09:19 PM
All the conversation, so far, is for a RN Boolet, yet your post heading says " FP/RN"These are two VERY different boolets. What's it gonna be???
Pepe Ray

Edward429451
06-19-2006, 09:22 PM
Good deal catshooter. I really like that bullet. while its no whiz bang design, it sure shoots like it is and that what counts.

I have that 2 holer to get me by for a while so no huge rush on it. In the mean time maybe more people will chime in with interest.

My standard load with this boolit (5.5 WW-231) was getting 1028 fps from my friends CX4 Storm and super accurate! He didnt complain about leading after cleaning it either...

Edward429451
06-19-2006, 09:26 PM
Pepe, it's not carved in stone yet. I've loaded 225 gr FP's & RN and and the RN is more accurate and less finicky. I had trouble getting the FP to feed in my G21 until I loaded it to 1.190"

Myself, I say RN all the way, but lets hear what we all want and decide from there.

45 2.1
06-19-2006, 09:38 PM
I'm up and BARELY running right now (new updated programs from what your used to are contrary most of the time). The design specs for the 452374 can be obtained from Lyman. If thats what you want, I will try to call Lyman and have them send me a spec sheet for it (it will take awhile, so be patient). The nose is a two radius job that really needs to be cut to the original spec. The only thing that could be changed is the round lube groove to our more standard square one.

Edward429451
06-19-2006, 09:46 PM
Gotcha'. Thanks.

Catshooter
06-19-2006, 10:05 PM
HEY 45! nice to see you online!

I vote yea to the original Lyman specs.
I vote yea to a better lube groove.


Cat

45 2.1
06-20-2006, 07:49 PM
HEY 45! nice to see you online!

I vote yea to the original Lyman specs.
I vote yea to a better lube groove.


Cat

Thanks, my internet provider doesn't seem to want to give me a connection speed over 14.4 Kbps. Hard to do or keep up with anything that way.

Poohgyrr
06-20-2006, 09:15 PM
We have a pistol or two that need feeding.......

:Fire:

Edward429451
06-28-2006, 10:27 PM
So counting me we have 6 so far (or 7-8 if catshooter wants more). '

This is taking off slow but maybe thats a good thing for now. Maybe by the time some other GB's come in, we'll have enough. Just keep bumpin it.

Of course when the pic goes up eventually it'll take right off. Thats a great bollit.

Catshooter
06-29-2006, 07:42 PM
I'd go for two fer sure, maybe three.


Cat

45 2.1
06-29-2006, 08:45 PM
Lyman wouldn't send the drawing, but I got the critical dimensions over the phone. And here is something to look at:

Catshooter
06-29-2006, 09:20 PM
Now that's what I'm talkin' about!

Dutch4122
06-29-2006, 09:59 PM
Now you've gone & done it! Posted another drawing of a "must have" design. I've sent out three group buy checks this week alone! Please do a guy a favor and just give this one a little time to run til some of the others cool off. Maybe in the mean time I can pick up a few bottles along I-75 on the way home from work..............

Whatever you do though, count me in! ;)

waksupi
06-29-2006, 11:23 PM
6 holer, I assume. Damn. I suppose. Rapscallions, all of you!

Bodydoc447
06-30-2006, 06:52 AM
I've sent checks out for three moulds this week, too. I'd love to have this one as well. Can we make the cut off date a little later in the summer so some of us have time to collect a bunch of aluminum cans?

Thanks for running this one, too, guys.

Doc

Poohgyrr
07-05-2006, 02:59 AM
:Fire:

Springfield
07-06-2006, 07:19 PM
I am in on this one also. I have a 4 ganger Lyman version and it is the most accurate bullet out of my old 1911(non A1) . But that thing gets heavy during long casting sessions, I prefer Lee 6 gangers.

PatMarlin
08-01-2006, 12:19 AM
Lyman wouldn't send the drawing, but I got the critical dimensions over the phone. And here is something to look at:

That boolit looks identical to the RCBS 45-225-RN mold I am currently holding in my hot little hands. Haven't had a chance to try it yet.

Cayoot
08-01-2006, 09:33 AM
I bought a SAECO mould from John Paul Jones (Fitz Grips guy) a year or so ago. This was a bevel based, extended round nose (for reliability in 1911s) 230 gr .45 boolit.

I really like the extended RN cuz I use it in my S&W 6-25 for IDPA. I feel the extended RN helps to speed up reloads. I also haven't been able to find an auto that it WON'T feed reliably in. It even shoots well in my Marlin .45 acp Camp Carbine.

It looks like the .45 acp drawings on this thread, except the nose is extended out a bit more and it (of course) narrows more. J.P. Jones says that it was designed specifically for bullseye shooters, and I believe him cuz it seems very accurate sitting on-top of a comfortable charge of 231 or bullseye.

If you guys are interested, I can mail some to the design wizard for his consideration.

I have a SAECO 4 holer now, but a 6 banger to use along side of it would speed up my production considerably.

db2
08-01-2006, 10:06 AM
Go ahead and put me down for one.

db2

45 2.1
08-01-2006, 10:15 AM
That boolit looks identical to the RCBS 45-225-RN mold I am currently holding in my hot little hands. Haven't had a chance to try it yet.

The nose on the RCBS 45-225-RN boolit was skinnier than the Lyman 452374 and didn't shoot nearly as well from the mold I had long ago.

Catshooter
09-06-2006, 09:08 PM
So where are you guys? I've posted up a group buy for this here boolit in the GB forum, so come on!:-D