41027

[JudgeBAC]

I just acquired a Lyman 41027 which is a hollow based wadcutter .41 caliber 217 gr. bullet. Im not sure what it was designed for but it appears that it would be a heck of a wadcutter for a .41 mag. Does anyone know anything about this bullet? Any experience with it?

[Leftoverdj]

Yeah, I've had one for many years. It is a wadcutter for the .41 mag and the only bullet that I have found that gives good accuracy in my Model 57 at around 800 fps. I also made up a shorter, thinner nose core to make HP bullets. The downside is that it is a beast to cast with either core. I have to flat hustle to get a hundred keepers an hour.

[JudgeBAC]

DJ; Thanks for the info. I dont have the hollow base pin but one of the CastBoolit wizards says he can make one for me. The only decision is should I keep the hollow base or make a flat pin so that I can cast flat base bullets? Any ideas?

[Leftoverdj]

Keep it a hollow base. Even in that configuration, the bullets will weigh 220 grains. My guess is that a flat pin would put the weight up around 300 grains. You're still going to have to remove and replace the pin for every cast no matter what the shape, so you might as well get the benefit of it.

[fourarmed]

At one time, Lee made a .41 wadcutter mold, but plain base, not hollow. They weighed around 180, and I shot quite a few of them over a light charge of Red Dot years ago. They were very accurate. Now if they just made it in a 6 cavity...

[Leftoverdj]

Fourarmed,

I feel a group buy coming on. The .41 Mag really needs a six cavity DEWC. I'd favor about .411 and 200 grains, maybe TL grooves and .100 front and rear bands.

[45 2.1]

At one time, Lee made a .41 wadcutter mold, but plain base, not hollow. They weighed around 180, and I shot quite a few of them over a light charge of Red Dot years ago. They were very accurate. Now if they just made it in a 6 cavity...

I've got that mold, it would make a good buy.


Leftoverdj
I feel a group buy coming on. The .41 Mag really needs a six cavity DEWC. I'd favor about .411 and 200 grains, maybe TL grooves and .100 front and rear bands.

Emmett, you going to Honcho?

[Cayoot]

Fourarmed,

I feel a group buy coming on. The .41 Mag really needs a six cavity DEWC. I'd favor about .411 and 200 grains, maybe TL grooves and .100 front and rear bands.

WOW! That sounds like just the thing to fill an empty spot in my .41 mould collection! I want one too!:mrgreen:

[Bodydoc447]

Sounds like a good one to me. It has to beat casting 41026s out of single cavity mold

Doc

[Leftoverdj]

45 2.1, if you'll do the drawing and post it in Group Buys, I'll honcho. Can't see that this one calls for a lot of discussion and design work since there ain't nothing more straightforward than a DEWC.

I do want to add one stipulation to honchoing. Usual terms, but I reserve the right to buy enough additional moulds to get the 100 mould discount if I so choose. If you do the drawing, you get the option to go halves on that. I've had two deals where I should have done that but did not because I had not given advance notice.

[felix]

Bob, I could be interested as well, but would require a round sizable to 413, naturally with lube grooves deep enough to cover the sizing to 411. Need a lube groove such that a fat "nose" could stick out for 150-200. ... felix

[felix]

Also, what would it take for Lee to insert another steel pin hole at the point where the lever cam hits? In other words, have Lee leement their own mold before shipment? ... felix

[Leftoverdj]

Felix, that was the thinking behind the TL grooves. They give a choice of crimping locations. Lee's tolerances are a problem. Order .413 and they might come in as big as .416 and be within their tolerances. Order .411 and some may be that small.

[45 2.1]

45 2.1, if you'll do the drawing and post it in Group Buys, I'll honcho. Can't see that this one calls for a lot of discussion and design work since there ain't nothing more straightforward than a DEWC.

I do want to add one stipulation to honchoing. Usual terms, but I reserve the right to buy enough additional moulds to get the 100 mould discount if I so choose. If you do the drawing, you get the option to go halves on that. I've had two deals where I should have done that but did not because I had not given advance notice.

Emmett-
I'll do the drawing and post it. If you get to 100 molds, I might want to reserve a few for myself. I propose we do the diameter at 0.413" and I will take care of the fit issues that Felix wants. I will post preliminaries here.

[Cayoot]

Holy Cow! This baby is getting moving fast! I hope you will keep it open for at least 30 days so I can save up the $$. I just sent my money in for the Catshooter Keith Comemorative line (first installation), so my coffers are empty again. I will be ready in a month though!

Also, may I suggest that you do something similar to what Catshooter did, in that you add a couple of bucks to the price of the mould. This is so that one could be purchased for 45 2.1 as recompense for his efforts in doing the tech. drawings and stuff?

[45 2.1]

Also, may I suggest that you do something similar to what Catshooter did, in that you add a couple of bucks to the price of the mould. This is so that one could be purchased for 45 2.1 as recompense for his efforts in doing the tech. drawings and stuff?

Lets NOT get carried away with this now! I spent a lot of time on Catshooters series, but almost nothing here. I do this to get boolits I want too.

What do you think Emmett and Felix?

[Cayoot]

That looks really good. Is that a tumble lube design? Or will those little groves hold enough lube for the boolit?

Is it about 200 grns ya think?

[Leftoverdj]

Looks good to me. Got enough front and rear bands to grab at one end and seal at the other. It's enough over a caliber long to be stable out to 50 yards, anyway. Got more than enough lube capacity for velocities to 1000 fps and maybe more. Narrow bands will take sizing better than fat ones will. Pending some numbers, I'd call it a go.

Note to Cayoot: It don't take much lube at WC velocities. I've sized Lee's 314-85-TLWC down to .309 and shot them at 1500 fps with LA. No leading, lube star on the muzzle, and ragged holes at 25 yards. They did not shoot worth a whoop at 50 yards, but I was using a .308 Win with a 1-10" twist. I've also shot that same TL bullet, as cast, at about 1000 fps, with Johnson's Paste wax as lube from a Benelli in .32 S&W Long WC for 500 rounds between cleanings. I have no doubt that the bullet in that drawing will carry enough LA, Felix, or NRA formula for any sane WC loading.

[felix]

Put a cap on it, a'la' 358495?, and it will shoot 100 yards with enough accuracy to hit tin cans. ... felix

[JudgeBAC]

Did I do that? Looks like I got something started with my question. Darn. I guess I might have to get in this one too. This website sure has put a dent in my wallet. It sure is fun though.:-D :-D :-D :-D

[Cayoot]

Put a cap on it, a'la' 358495?, and it will shoot 100 yards with enough accuracy to hit tin cans. ... felix

I'm can't figgure out what you mean by this Felix....sure makes me feel dumb, but what is ment by "Put a cap on it, a'la' 358495"

[felix]

A cap is a wind breaker of sorts. Somthing like a 3 degree plate with 45 degree edges on top of the wadcutter form, to soften the blow against the wind. Eley has been making their match 22's this way for some time now, haven't they? That kind of boolit in 357 shoots very well at 100 yards. 150 grains at 358 is the same as 200 grains at 410 in terms of B.C. ... felix

[45 2.1]

If you think it's ready to go, post a thread and i'll put it up. If not, talk to me.

[Cayoot]

A cap is a wind breaker of sorts. Somthing like a 3 degree plate with 45 degree edges on top of the wadcutter form, to soften the blow against the wind. Eley has been making their match 22's this way for some time now, haven't they? That kind of boolit in 357 shoots very well at 100 yards. 150 grains at 358 is the same as 200 grains at 410 in terms of B.C. ... felix

Ahhhhh.....still, I learn something new here almost everytime I come.

Thanks Felix!

[azrednek]

At one time, Lee made a .41 wadcutter mold, but plain base, not hollow. They weighed around 180, and I shot quite a few of them over a light charge of Red Dot years ago. They were very accurate. Now if they just made it in a 6 cavity...

Actually Lee made three different 41 wad cutters. I scarfed these up apx 5-6 years ago from Lee's surplus list and haven't used them yet. I have been using another 161 grain for years for mild practice loads since the late 80's and it is real accurate as long as the loads are mild. They shoot better tumble lubed and shot as cast. The groups opened up when I sized using a heater and hard lube.

Freind of mine that told me about the 41's on the surplus list loads two of the 116gr slugs in one cartridge. He claims it shoots good at short ranges. He used to keep a model 57 with this load in his desk drawer when he had an insurance office.

I might be interested in the group buy if it was a button nosed style. I wonder if it possible Lee still having the cherry for the heavier slug and saving a few bucks on the set-up fee??


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/dnisbet/41wad.jpg

[Leftoverdj]

Lee don't use cherries. They lathe bore on CNC equipment. They waive the setup fee on orders over 25 moulds anyway.

Gotta think about this a bit and maybe run a poll. That 208 grain should do anything I want done and nothing is simpler than having Lee run that design at .413.

How say the rest of you?

[9.3X62AL]

A cap is a wind breaker of sorts. Somthing like a 3 degree plate with 45 degree edges on top of the wadcutter form, to soften the blow against the wind. Eley has been making their match 22's this way for some time now, haven't they? That kind of boolit in 357 shoots very well at 100 yards. 150 grains at 358 is the same as 200 grains at 410 in terms of B.C. ... felix

No kidding, I learn something every time I sign on, too.

Many thanks for this factoid, Felix. I have a Lyman #358432--38/357 WC weighing 160 grains, with both the "button-end" you describe and a short "bore rider" nose (for lack of a better description) that REALLY shot well in some of my now-departed 38's and 357's. I never tried it much past 40-50 yards, though--thinking it would do the "60 yard cartwheel" that WC's are known for. At shorter ranges, those flat-fronted castings really put the whomp on critters. A 41 caliber WC might really let the 41's that my buddy and I are addicted to drive tacks.

[45 2.1]

Al-
I have all the Lyman 41 mag molds except the gas check number. The best of the lot for pure accuracy, and it killed game very well also, was the 41032. Presently Buckshot is hollow pointing one for me, maybe I will get to try it out on varmits later.

[felix]

Redneck, please wring out those boolits and see which one, if any, does the number at a hunnert. Beer can accuracy at this distance is all that would be needed by me. 25yards should produce a ragged-5-shot-hole. ... felix

[9.3X62AL]

I have a #410032 also, two-banger--we've run some through my buddy's M-57 x 4", but none to date through my Blackhawk. The 57 ate 'em up--but that wheeler is just plain accurate. Gotta try those in my own toy!

[felix]

Well, we might should do this design instead! Easy feeding to boot, right? Especially in a lever gun. ... felix

[Leftoverdj]

Already plenty of good bullets for medium to heavy loads in the .41 Mag. I have a 41032 myself, and it's all that's claimed.

What there ain't, and where we got started, is a good bullet for light plinking and target loads. A pimple on the nose won't hurt my purposes none, but I have no interest in an SWC.

[felix]

I really do agree. I have the 199 grainer with the pointed hat, and it will hold 100 yards quite well at full tilt. It is just a bear to cast and some relief is needed at the bottom of the cavities to keep wrinkles from entering the flat top portion. ... felix

[fourarmed]

My old single cavity was the 208 grain, now that I see them. Anything around that size would interest me in a 6 cavity. Shooting bullseye with a revolver is pretty passe, I guess, but fun and challenging. Really gives your thumb a workout.