Who uses H4895 with cast boolits ?

[watkibe]

I found an interesting article on the Hodgdon site :
http://hodgdon.com/PDF/Youth%20Loads.pdf

It basically says that any H4895 maximum rifle load can be multiplied by 60% to get a good reduced load, at about 2000 fps. It also says that this powder has been a standby for cast bullet shooters for years.

Is H4895 a cast boolit standby for you ? Does anyone use this "60% rule" ?

[Buckshot]

.............I still have a couple pounds of IMR 4895, but for the past 12-15 years or so all the 4895 I've been burning has been surplus powder. It IS a great powder for cast rifle loads, and I didn't know anything about the 60% rule thing. I'd either extrapolated or started with data I'd had recommended to me or seen somelace.

.............Buckshot

[lylejb]

I had read about that 60% rule on their web site, but haven't actually tried it. The last 4895 I used was IMR4895, in a 30-30 with J's (pre casting days).

I've used unique with cast in 30-30, and was happy with the results.

Actually, I tried earlier this year to FIND some 4895, either H or IMR, and couldn't. The only 4895 I could have come up with was 20+ years old (was DuPont) and they wanted $35 / LB. I said no thanks....

I would be interested in trying that when I can come up with some 4895, at a normal price.

[andremajic]

Wideners had some cheap (relatively) 8 lb surplus from pulled bullets that has the same burning characteristics as h4895.

Check and see if they still got it. It was about 100.00 per 8 lbs.

Update: They're sold out of that powder, but I do see some IMR available.

Andy.

[Lead Fred]

I use IMR 4895 for my 45/70 cast boolits

Most accurate load I have for it

[armyrat1970]

There is a slight difference between IMR4895, H4895 and pulled 4895. Enough to warrant starting with a low charge and work up, to be on the safe side.

[DJ303]

H4895 works well in my 303 with cast.

[Shiloh]

I used some surplus 4895 from Pats Reloading. This was pulldown powder, not H4895. I was also a bit on the the slow side of 4895. Tried it in .30-06 and a Krag.

Mediocre results. Wide velocity extreme spreads. Lots of unburnt powder in the bore. Tried it again over a lite dusting of snow. A trail of unburnt powder in front of the muzzle on the snow.

I went with a faster powder.

Shiloh

[StarMetal]

I've worked extensively with all the 4895's this past year. I've also talked to the powder manufacturers about them. There are three kinds of 4895: H4895, IMR4895, and Accurate 4895. The military and pulldown 4895 are IMR. The biggest difference between the three is in Hodgdon. They are all so very close it isn't funny. It's one of the rifle powders I use the most in my cast loads with excellent results.

Joe

[Ekalb2000]

28grs of IMR4895 with a 200gr boolit in the Garand, with filler.

[Bloodman14]

My Mk 2 LE loves H4895 behind a 200 gr. Lee.

[Kraschenbirn]

Since I started casting for my CF rifles...both sporters and milsurps...I seem to go through an awful lot of H4895. Use it my Garand (for both CBs and FMJs), in my #4, Mk1, and in all my .308s.

Bill

[KCSO]

My hunting loads for my Krags are a 220 grain rnfp bullet at 2000 fps pushed by IMR4895, I also use it for hunting loads in 7.65 Argentine and 38-55.

[R.C. Hatter]

:coffeecom Hodgdon has long maintained in its literature about H4895 that charges as low as 3/5 of maximum (hence the mentioned 60%) still gives target accuracy. I have used such charges in my 1903-A3 with cast boolits, obtaining for the most part, satisfactory results.

[Larry Gibson]

Concur with Joe (starmetal). I have been using 4895 in most CF cartridges since '68 with excellent results in the medium to high range of cast bullet performance. I never used the 60% rule. I always used a 50% rule as a starting load with cast bullets. Note that the 60% rule is for J bullets mostly and it is without a filler. The mentioned 2000 fps is many times above the best accuracy point for most 9-10" twist barrels (Joes magic method excepted). Thus I will start at 50% or sometimes even at 40% with a dacron filler and work up incrementally (usually in 1/2 gr increments) until the best accuracy is found. Using 4895 with a dacron filler under a 311466 in my 14" twist .308W barrel I am getting pretty consistent 2 moa accuracy (10 shot groups with the 1st 5 shots many times in 1 moa) at 2500+ fps. No magic involved or dangerous pressure problems, just controlling the RPM. With slower powders I am pushing the same accuracy at 2650 +/- fps but that's not about 4895.

Larry Gibson

[StarMetal]

Concur with Joe (starmetal). I have been using 4895 in most CF cartridges since '68 with excellent results in the medium to high range of cast bullet performance. I never used the 60% rule. I always used a 50% rule as a starting load with cast bullets. Note that the 60% rule is for J bullets mostly and it is without a filler. The mentioned 2000 fps is many times above the best accuracy point for most 9-10" twist barrels (Joes magic method excepted). Thus I will start at 50% or sometimes even at 40% with a dacron filler and work up incrementally (usually in 1/2 gr increments) until the best accuracy is found. Using 4895 with a dacron filler under a 311466 in my 14" twist .308W barrel I am getting pretty consistent 2 moa accuracy (10 shot groups with the 1st 5 shots many times in 1 moa) at 2500+ fps. No magic involved or dangerous pressure problems, just controlling the RPM. With slower powders I am pushing the same accuracy at 2650 +/- fps but that's not about 4895.

Larry Gibson

That's good shooting and good load you have there Larry. Gotta love 4895 huh?

Joe

[runfiverun]

4895 with a filler is hard to beat in most situations.
h-322 does well also.
if the h brand is pretty good i try it with the I brand same load, sometimes one wins over the other in the accuracy dept.
4895 is like the unique of rifle powders,it works in about everything cast/jacketed and does well.
if i were stuck with only one rifle powder it'd have to be 4895 to cover from 223 to 0-6.

[lead Foot]

I use H4895 In my 30/30 @ around 2000fps with the Lee 170 ~ it performs better than jackets. If you want speed with lead it's the best power I found.
Lead foot;

[Bucks Owin]

Like "Lead Fred" I've used IMR 4895 in cast .45/70 loads with satisfaction, love it for (J-boolit) .243 bullets of 60-75 grs. I couldn't get your Hodgdon link to work, maybe it's my weak WiFi signal. But I've never heard of the "60%" idea. If reduced velocity is your goal maybe SR-4759 would be appropriate? I think 4759 is a pretty good powder in quite a few different applications, including bigbore sixguns but I see little mention of it for that. Opinions? (maybe in a new thread) Dennis

[jtaylor1960]

I use H-4895 in my 45/70with cast bullets.I have used it in reduced loads in my 220 Swift, 35 Rem. and 32 Spl.It works very well when using the 60% guidelines.

[smithgar3840]

Ditto all of the above. I use it in my 308 behind the Lyman 173 FP and it is a tack driver. It truly is a universal CB powder. I've also used it in a 6.5X55, 7mm mauser 30-30 , and 7mm Int-R back in My IHMSA days. I paniced when I started to run low the last timeso I bought an 8 pounder.

[Kskybroom]

I use IMR 4895 35 rem with 200gr swc gc Does very good in my TC carbine. In my pistola took some work. IMOP 4895 works good with cast Boolits + its old school...

[Glen]

4895 is one of my all-time favotite cast bullet powders, and the first powder I generally gravitate towards when I start with a new rifle or cast rifle bullet. I don't generally use the "60% rule", but I do generally use 4895. Great stuff!

[357maximum]

I have used/tried H4895 in every set of my initial tests for cast in new to me bottleneck cartridges.......is it always the best for mid to upper end loads? NO, but it always seems serviceable to good and sometimes it is great @ mid/high end loads.

No castbooliteers bench is complete without this powder IMHO. Luckily I had a moment of clarity and the $$ one day at an auction and bought a bunch of it. When I run out, I will replace it on the shelf....might be awhile before I run out though.

[Jeffery8mm]

How close are 4895 and IMR4064?? I have had great results with 4064 in all cast rifle applications I have tried.

[StarMetal]

How close are 4895 and IMR4064?? I have had great results with 4064 in all cast rifle applications I have tried.

It's just a tad slower then 4895 and about the same amount faster then 4320, which is slower then both.

Joe

[watkibe]

Wow, good responses on this thread guys, thanks ! Today I tried H4895 at 60% of the listed max load in my 338 Win Mag behind the Lee cast 200gr RNGC. On my short range at home (25yds) I got the first 3 shots touching in one ragged hole. For some reason, my Chrony clocked all my SR4795 loads, but gave me errors on all the H 4895's, grrr...
Speaking of which, hey Bucks Owin - yes, I have tried SR 4759, it's my usual CB rifle powder. I also found and used a load for it in the 44 mag. It is listed with a burning rate close to H110. In rifles, it starts to give pressure signs at velocities much over 2000fps, which is why I am trying H4895 for some faster loads.
A while back one of the online vendors had H4895 for sale. I had been looking for it ever since I read where Dean Grinnell called it "the most versatile rifle powder", so I paid the hazmat fee (which I hate to do) and bought 2 cans.

[leadman]

H4895 has been excellent in my T/C 30-30 carbine with 311041. Works excellent for many other cartridges up to reduced jacketed bullet loads in the 7mm Rem. Mag.

[timkelley]

I use 4895 in .223, 30-06, and .375Win. It's a do-it-all powder for me.

[bighoss]

i have 115 grain boolits what would be a good load to start off with in my 303 brit i have h 4895

[pdawg_shooter]

I use H-4895 in my 45/70with cast bullets.I have used it in reduced loads in my 220 Swift, 35 Rem. and 32 Spl.It works very well when using the 60% guidelines.

Unless I feel the need for speed, 54gr AA2495 behind a 430gr paper patched pure lead is THE load for my 1985g.

[Baja_Traveler]

28grs of IMR4895 with a 200gr boolit in the Garand, with filler.

Doesn't cycle the bolt does it...

I use 34gr H4895 with a GC 311299 - no filler. Just enough to cycle the bolt reliably with great accuracy out to the 200 yard silhouettes.

[bighoss]

mine is bolt action would 25 or 30 grains of the h4895 be good

[Larry Gibson]

i have 115 grain boolits what would be a good load to start off with in my 303 brit i have h 4895

H4895 is not a good powder with that light of a bullet in your .303 nor is any of the 4895s. You need a faster burning powder such as Unique if you want velocities in the 'teens. If you want plinking or "cat's sneeze loads in the 100's try Bullseye; 3.2 gr would be a good load with that 115 gr cast bullet, especially if PB'd.

Larry Gibson

[Larry Gibson]

Doesn't cycle the bolt does it...

I use 34gr H4895 with a GC 311299 - no filler. Just enough to cycle the bolt reliably with great accuracy out to the 200 yard silhouettes.

That depends on the M1 and how smooth the action is. I've had M1s function with 28 gr H4895 and milsurp 4895s with 28 gr + dacron filler under a 311299/314299. I recomend that as the starting load with the dacron filler and usually, given a decent M1, reliable functiong and good accuracy can be found between that and 31 gr. The dacron filler gives much better SD/ES in velocity and no "powder position" problems. That usually translates to improved accuracy.

Larry Gibson

[bighoss]

its not a m1 its a 303 british lee enfield #4 mark 1

[Old Iron Sights]

Was looking to make some bambi loads for this deer season in my m95 steyrs. Get good plinking results with 9.5 gr trail boss but i was thinking of getting 4895 for heavier loads for deer. Just need to find a safe starting load.

[bighoss]

H4895 is not a good powder with that light of a bullet in your .303 nor is any of the 4895s. You need a faster burning powder such as Unique if you want velocities in the 'teens. If you want plinking or "cat's sneeze loads in the 100's try Bullseye; 3.2 gr would be a good load with that 115 gr cast bullet, especially if PB'd.

Larry Gibson

ok so what would use to fill the rest of the case

[adrians]

H4895 works well in my 303 with cast.

my i ask what mold you use to cast for your 303 ?
just curious and darn nosey:evil::coffee::evil:

[bighoss]

i ordered some one that were aleadery cast i got .313 dia cast made by hunter suppy

[Sonnypie]

i have 115 grain boolits what would be a good load to start off with in my 303 brit i have h 4895

Bighoss,
I've been shooting 4895 all of my life. It took 15 years to get Dad interested in something besides mule kick loads in 30-06's. Heavier was better to him.
The 1934 ammo (Military) is all loaded with the fore runner, IMR1185. But it all had mercuric primers, so you had to boil out the bores after shooting. So Dad and I started pulling the bullets and reloading with modern primers, and soft point hunting bullets. And somebody told dad to try 4831. 57 grains, behind a 180g spire point.
Holy Moly! Almost as bad as shootin the 1934 loads in the 1903A3 National Match rifles with the steel butt plates. Started shooting those when I was 11 or 12, with a sweater folded into a pad.
Flash forward to 1977 and living up in Wyoming. Dad decided to give my BIL's and I rifle's for Christmas. He managed to buy the Model 70 I had hunted with in 1965, borrowed from a shootin buddy. Love that rifle!
When they came to visit in May, Dad brought it, and near 1000 rounds of ammo.
He had been working on a pet load and figured he had it pretty good. He'd load up some boxes and take them to Uncle's house to test.
I was really surprised. 110g Sierra bullets, pushed by 47.5 grains of IMR4895.
Still hugely powerful, but flat shootin! I kept meat in the freezer all the years I lived in Wyoming with that rifle and those loads.

I'm currently developing a load for it with 120 cast GC boolits (http://leeprecision.com/xcart/MOLD-D-C-309-120-R.html), W/ LLA as the loob. I've shot from 15 grains to 35 grains of powder. To date I think the 30 and the 32.5 have been my most accurate.
I have a Chronograph now, and have been gathering data on the loads, but only have one session in with the Chronograph. The 32.5g loads developed a 1898 FPS average vel, and are very nice to shoot.

BTW, the 15 grain loads were downright comical to shoot. More like a BLOOP! and they would drop about 3 to 4 feet at 100 yards. Only 20 rounds, but I was LMAO.
Then 20 grains went bang. But far from good.
But the 30g loads banged away at the 125 yard steel right along.
I have a batch of 35 grain loads to try out, next time I can get to the range. I was supposed to go today, but the wife came down with the creeping crud that is going around here. So I'm doing the Grandpa Chauffeur thang. Screwed again. :dung_hits_fan:
In fact, I have a ton of ammo I want to play across my new Chronograph with. Probably best, my other items are on the way to tie it in to my laptop. Then I don't have to feel weird about stepping over the firing line to change strings.

I like light bullets. And I'm working on my light BOOLITS loads.

Here is some history about powders. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improved_Military_Rifle_(IMR))
And IMR 4895 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improved_Military_Rifle_(IMR)#IMR_.23_4895)
And some info about IMR4895 VS: H4895 (http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-212021.html). H4895 is a tad more bang to it.

IMR1185, 1934. (http://home.earthlink.net/~pie/Sonny's/P9070030.JPG)

Edit in:
Oh, and yeah, I have that PDF file bookmarked and the literature saved. It is what got me interested in down loading to try and encourage my Grand Son to try High Power shooting.
Unlike myself who darn near rolled backwards off the bench with each shot. :shock: But I loved it then, and still love it today. ;-)

[Blammer]

50+ grains of it in my 35 whelen and a 170gr HPGC boolit are a thing to behold when thrust upon a ground hog at 50 yds.

[Sonnypie]

50+ grains of it in my 35 whelen and a 170gr HPGC boolit are a thing to behold when thrust upon a ground hog at 50 yds.

Lyrics of an older song comes to mind (When your inside out, and your outside in,)
Can't recall the singer. But I can hear it in my head... :lol:

[caseyboy]

As I continue to persue a good High Power (Reduced Course) Silhouette load for my 7-08. I have come up to the threshold with A2400 (about 1700fps). I am confident these will take down the chicken, pigs and turkeys. The Rams are heavier and at 305meters on our reduded course. If I need a bit more umph, I will work up a load with 4895. Was thinking initially 4198, but the responses have been overwhelming for 4895.

[bighoss]

i have looked and looked and some ppl say that the h4895 will work and some say it wont if i go about 25 - 30 grains of the h4895 that should be enough to cover the flash hole and not enough to melt the boolit they are not full let they got tin and something else in them it starts with a a

[Sonnypie]

Lead, Tin, and Antimony, bighoss.

[bighoss]

ok so would the 25 - 30 grains work and to cover the flash hole and not melt the boolit

[frkelly74]

I got some Accurate XMR 2495 as a replacement for 4895. I have not opened it yet but have read that it is comparable. Anyone have any experience with it?

[bighoss]

so would that work

[Blammer]

bighoss, I think you'll get more and better answers to your question if you post it on the milsurp section. There are lots there who will be very willing to give some suggestions.

[Larry Gibson]

i have looked and looked and some ppl say that the h4895 will work and some say it wont if i go about 25 - 30 grains of the h4895 that should be enough to cover the flash hole and not enough to melt the boolit they are not full let they got tin and something else in them it starts with a a

4895 is a very good powder with cast bullets in most rifle cartridges and I do love it and use a lot of it. However, it will not be a good powder for such a light weight bullet as the 115 gr in a .303. The burning rate of any powder must be such that it will burn efficiently at the low end pressures used in most cast bullet loads. The 115 gr bullet is not heavy enough to allow efficient burning of 4895 while keeping the velocity low enough for good accuracy.

I sugest you look into powders with a burning rate between Bullseye and Unique for use with the 115 gr cast bullet in the .303. I use 3.2 -5 gr of Bullseye under 90 - 118 gr cast bullets in the .303 for very pleasant, low recoil, low noise and good accuracy. Suggest you try 4.5 & 5 gr with your 115 gr bullet.

Larry Gibson

[bighoss]

4895 is a very good powder with cast bullets in most rifle cartridges and I do love it and use a lot of it. However, it will not be a good powder for such a light weight bullet as the 115 gr in a .303. The burning rate of any powder must be such that it will burn efficiently at the low end pressures used in most cast bullet loads. The 115 gr bullet is not heavy enough to allow efficient burning of 4895 while keeping the velocity low enough for good accuracy.

I sugest you look into powders with a burning rate between Bullseye and Unique for use with the 115 gr cast bullet in the .303. I use 3.2 -5 gr of Bullseye under 90 - 118 gr cast bullets in the .303 for very pleasant, low recoil, low noise and good accuracy. Suggest you try 4.5 & 5 gr with your 115 gr bullet.

Larry Gibson

ok so what kind of filler do you use to fill the rest of the case

[mpmarty]

ok so what kind of filler do you use to fill the rest of the case
I use a mixture of 80% Nitrogen and about 15% Oxygen commonly known as "air" at a pressure of one atmosphere.

[Larry Gibson]

No filler or wad is needed with Bullseye in such loads.

Larry Gibson

[bighoss]

ok so with those loads it dont matter if it covers the flash hole

[pdawg_shooter]

I got some Accurate XMR 2495 as a replacement for 4895. I have not opened it yet but have read that it is comparable. Anyone have any experience with it?

I burn a lot of AA2495. Lets see, .223, .243, 25-06, 30.30, .308, 30.06, 300RUM, 303Brit, 45-70, and .458Mag. Works for me anyway.

[JDL]

Surplus 4895 pushing a 165 grain boolit is great in the 7.62x39, although it's not a reduced load.
JDL

[Larry Gibson]

I burn a lot of AA2495. Lets see, .223, .243, 25-06, 30.30, .308, 30.06, 300RUM, 303Brit, 45-70, and .458Mag. Works for me anyway.

Bet it doesn't work so good with 115 gr cast bullets that bighoss asked about. No criticism of pdawgs post...just making a clarification is all.

4895 is indeed an excellent cast bullet powder as I've mentioned. However it take a certain weight of bullet in a given cartridge to give uniform ignition, even with a dacron filler, while keeping velocities down so the PB'd cast bullet shoots accurately. The faster burning powders are better suited to lighter weight PB'd cast bullets. Note Sonnypie is using a GC'd 120 gr bullet and finds a higher end load is needed to attain accuracy and burning efficiency. Ods are a 115 gr PB'd cast bullet at 1900+ fps is not going to be very accurate.

Larry Gibson

[stana]

Surplus 4895 $1 per pound, in '67. The first powder I used, bought at the local "war surplus store". They weighted it there and I took it home in a brown paper sack! I've used it in 30-30, 30-06 and 444 with good to great results. All with medium to heavy cast boolits. Stan

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

i use it in my reduce 30-30 , with cast i have gone form 15 gr on up till accuracy suffered around 21 with no gas check , i will try more with checks later . down around 15gr it burned a bit dirty but was very accurate i settled at a nice 18.5 gr load that shoots nice

today i am loading up 50gr v-max 223 with it , and another day in the future i will be loading 30-06

that's about all i need to load for so IT IS my rifle powder , all my pistols load with power pistol some day i am sure i will try more powders but for a beginning re loader those 2 versatile powders keep the costs of start up supplies down.

boy do i wish i could have purchased it at 1 dollar a pound , my current can says 27.95 +5.5% for the tax man

[caseyboy]

So if one was intending to use a 130 boolit in a 7mm-08, would 4895 be a good powder if you were looking for 1800 to 2000 fps? 60% of the Hodgson book load for the above weight boolit and cartridge is about 25 grains.

[MikeS]

Years ago I used to use IMR3031 (made by DuPont), and H4895 smells exactly like I remember the 3031 smelling. Are 3031 kernels (don't want to call them grains, and confuse folks) longer in length than 4895, or is my memory playing tricks on me? I seem to remember them being longer than the 4895 that I have now is. I haven't used 3031 in 40 years! (wow, typing that makes me seem older than I am, and almost as old as I feel!) Back then I never used 4895.

[popper]

H4895 may not be the best powder for reduced loads, but I've used 18 gn/170 CB 30-30, mid-load .308, light loaded 243 68 and 100gn. No filler, but dacron may help SD. Works better than unique for my CBs.

[Sonnypie]

Note Sonnypie is using a GC'd 120 gr bullet and finds a higher end load is needed to attain accuracy and burning efficiency. Ods are a 115 gr PB'd cast bullet at 1900+ fps is not going to be very accurate.

Larry Gibson

Hi Larry,
Yep, I'm just beginning to play with Cast Boolits and chose a GC design to begin with. (30-06 Springfield)
I have had extensive experience with 120g Jacketed hunting bullets, Sierra, and have a pet load that fed my Family and I for a lot of years.
It was one Dad worked up and used 47.5 grains of IMR 4895 and by the book was a tad over 3000 FPS. He and I never had a Chronograph back then, so we had to load, shoot, evaluate, until we hit it on the nose.
Since I know I was capable of extremely long range shots back then, I'm working up with the large supplies I currently have of the old powder, with RN 120g cast boolits (Lyman #2 formula), and Hornady GC.
And at the same time, I have 10, 11, 15 grain loads of Unique ready to test. As well as some 15g Red Dot loads. Going by my books and the experience found here at Cast Boolits.
I don't hunt anymore, but I love to plink at the long range steels.
To date, I like a 30 grain charge of IMR 4895, pushing my 120g RN GC cast boolits.
But still have some 32.5, 35, and even some 40g loads to test.
And the real beauty of it all is I can always take them back apart and reload them differently.
I like the mild kick of the lighter bullets, while still reaching the long range steels.

And I can attest that 15 and 20 grain loads of IMR 4895 is downright comical to shoot. More of a PLOOP! and the boolit hits 3-4' low at 100 yards. :lol:
But 30 grains with a cast boolit is fun!

32.5g looks like this: (120g RN GC Lyman #2, TL LLA thinned, FA 1934 brass, Winchester WLRM primers (What I could get))
Highest 1940
Lowest 1857
Avg Vel 1898
Ext Sprd 83
Std Dev 21

Haven't been able to run the 30g over the machine as of yet. But my opinion is that the 30g loads are more accurate.
But Friday is going to be a busy, busy day for the Chronograph. It's all fun to me.
Hit, miss, or PLOOP. :bigsmyl2:

[Sonnypie]

Years ago I used to use IMR3031 (made by DuPont), and H4895 smells exactly like I remember the 3031 smelling. Are 3031 kernels (don't want to call them grains, and confuse folks) longer in length than 4895, or is my memory playing tricks on me? I seem to remember them being longer than the 4895 that I have now is. I haven't used 3031 in 40 years! (wow, typing that makes me seem older than I am, and almost as old as I feel!) Back then I never used 4895.


Well MikeS, you got my curious up.
So I ventured forth and got my cans of each and tried to get some comparitory pho-to graphical evidence together for you.
Durned if I can tell the differance, other than I know what can they came from. :holysheep

http://home.earthlink.net/~pie/Sonny's/PA190279.JPG

http://home.earthlink.net/~pie/Sonny's/PA190280.JPG

http://home.earthlink.net/~pie/Sonny's/PA190281.JPG

http://home.earthlink.net/~pie/Sonny's/PA190282.JPG

The way I would describe the powder is that they have a mild Ether smell to them.
Even 77 year old IMR 1185. :-o