Lyman Mould 358430

[Matt3357]

Anyone have any experience with this mould? I was thinking about getting it for my 6" S&W 686 357 Mag and making soft points with it for a whitetail load. Now I know that it is a marginal caliber yada yada yada. Where I hunt with it there are no shots over 30 yards and I carry it as my backup. My only concern with this bullet is that I am planning on getting a 357 barrel for my H&R rifle and this bullet does not have a gas check. Am I worrying too much? My idea for the soft point is nearly pure for the front and WW for the rear.

Pistol
http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/bullet-casting/mould-details.php?entryID=14


Matt

P.S. What about this mould for my eventual 357mag rifle? I plan on reaming it to 357max.

Rifle
http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/bullet-casting/mould-details-rifles.php?entryID=58

Thanks

[GrizzLeeBear]

While it is a nice boolit, the problem I see with the 358430 in the revolver is velocity. That boolit is going to use up a lot of powder space in the case. Combined with its weight I don't think you will get any expantion, even with a soft point. Being a RN & no expansions means you will not get a very good wound channel. A very good all around mold for full power .357 loads the 358156 is hard to beat. It has been accurate in every flavor of .357 I have shot it in (Mag, Herret, 35 Rem) up to 2,000 fps.
I have a 357 Handi as well. I haven't shot the 358156 in it and I am planning on using the NOE group buy 180 gr. boolit in it, but I am confident I could work up some very adequate deer loads with the 358156 as well.

[MT Gianni]

It's not a traditional RN and east to put a flat on that 430. The nose as is is very near the LY 358009.
I would look more at the RCBS 200 FP for a 357 max handi.

[beagle]

I'm assuming here that you're talking the 200 grain version as there were 150 grain versions made as well.

It's a good bullet up to 50 yards in the .357 Mag. You really have to push them fast to maintain stability and accuracy at 100 yards and that's not really easy to do due to the weight and amount of bullet in the case cutting down on powder space.

Great shooting bullet at 50 yards but I'd choose something lighetr past that distance./beagle

[BABore]

I offer two of the shorter versions and they are listed under my rifle designs page. One is a 162 grain PB and the other is a 180 grain gas check. Both have a 0.398 nose to crimp groove length and are cut from the same cherry. That's too much nose for a revolver and will have to be crimped into or over the top driving band. The same will likely have to be done on a Marlin 94 unless the carrier is modified. The Winchester I'm unsure of, but they can usually go longer than the Marlin. My version drops close to 0.360 diameter (IIRC) and differs from the Lyman in that the nose diameter is 0.350/0.351 so it actually will touch something. I made this one up for GLL.

[GLL]

Here is the mould Bruce made for me.

BEAUTIFUL mould that produces great bullets !

Jerry

BRP 360430 custom
http://www.fototime.com/DC76820B289C703/orig.jpg

[GLL]

This is a 205 grain GC version that I ran as a LEE GROUP BUY last year.

Designed for .357 Max.

Jerry

45 2.1 359430-GC with crimp groove
http://www.fototime.com/ED10682C30BF738/standard.jpg

[Beerd]

For a comparison, can someone post a picture or photo of the 358430 next to a standard 158 gr roundnose bullet like the 358311?
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[GLL]

Beerd:

I do not own a 358311 but here are the original LYMAN 150 & 195 grain versions of the 359430 for comparison.

Jerry

http://www.fototime.com/17E47F2BF83493A/standard.jpg

[Wally]

I used one awhile back with my .357 mmagnums and it didn't give me the performance nor the accuracy that I had hoped for...your lead is used up so much quicker when you use such a heavy .38 caliber bullet.

[BABore]

Here's a pic of the CAD files on those boolits and the 358311 design I have.

The RH boolit should say 180 grains. The other two are the same weight

[jdgabbard]

I've actually been keeping my eyes out for a 358430 200g... I've been wanting to work this boolit up with the 38spl. Seems like it might be a dandy thumper load.... You know... For things that go thump in the night.

[beagle]

Makes a great "thumper" load. Also look for the 35875 if you're lucky enough to find one, grab it./beagle

[Matt3357]

Thanks for all the responses. Much more than I was expecting. I think I will go with a 158 round nose flat point design with a soft nose for these Illinois whitetails. I found a couple of Lee moulds on Midway that I think might work for me but I would like some opinions. I will be using these as plinking bullets as well. Any suggestions?

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=188719

or

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=263780

Thanks,
Matt

[GP100man]

I have 3 molds that shoot good in all my revolvers ,Ideal 358156 barebottomed hp just like in beagles article & a Ideal 357446 & last the 358429 .

But it seems to get the same terminal effect from the heavier 429 I have to lean on it harder ,alot harder !!

I think the balance of power & speed lay in the 155-160 gr. boolit.

Maybe St. Nick will bring me a chronograph for Christmas !!!( I hope he`s browsing)

[jdgabbard]

Yeah, beagle, I've heard it does make a dandy load. But until I find one for a reasonable price I'll stick with my RD-190... That makes a good thumper load in 38/357 too. What would be nifty would be a 200g flat point with a crimp groove and two equally spaced large grease grooves similar to those found on the 358311 and the 358429. The flat point would help tame the length. And still be a heavy for caliber boolit with plenty of grease... Just my .02

[Beerd]

matt3357,

If it was me, between the two Lee moulds you are interested in, I would pick the gas checked semi-wadcutter. You can load it without the check for plinking speeds or stoke it up for hunting.
And while it's fun to play around making soft point bullets, you can probably use air cooled wheel weight alloy for hunting with this bullet and get the same effect with a lot less fuss.
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and if you are shopping for a mould don't forget to check out the Vendor Sponsors & the Group Buys for the GOOD stuff.
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[redgum]

Don't shoot me down , I love your plan.
Just I would advise, if you intend to use a levergun check that the 357 max will feed in it.
(from mag to chamber)
I have had to disassemble both a Rossi 92 and a Marlin 94 to get over-length 357magnums out of their magazines. The noses were a tad too long to allow the lifter to bring them up without snagging.
jist my .02c

[Matt3357]

I am planning on getting a 357 barrel for my H&R rifle

I don't plan on using it in a lever action, I stated in my original post that it was going on an H&R Rifle which is a single shot, break action. Which makes it very easy to ream and have many different calibers per frame.

Thanks to all who posted so far, I think I will go with the SWC GC mould for now, but you know it will never end there. As soon as I get started with that one, I'll want a different one.

Thanks,
Matt