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Ranch Dog
05-19-2006, 09:51 AM
Bullet:
TLC460-425-RF. Mold based on Ranch Dog's original .460", 425-grain TLC460-425-RF but with Forum member 45.2.1's modified Micro-Band. Please see image details at bottom of this post for all the dimensions.

Mold Type:
Lee Precision aluminum block Two or Six-cavity mold. Six-Cavity Mold does not include handles and I cannot arrange their purchase.

Target Firearms:
Marlin 1895 series chambered in 45-70 and 450 Marlin with Micro-Groove or Ballard barrels.

Buy Closes:
Monday, June 19, 2006, funds in my P. O. Box on this date. If a minimum of 25 orders have not been received by this date, for both the 2 and 6 cavity molds, the buy will remain open only at the concensus of the buyers who have submitted funds. Buy is not limited to shipping in the USA. I don't mind taking the time to get the mold to Canada or other locations.

Cost: Two-cavity: $25 Six-cavity: $50 Shipping: Single mold (2 or 6) = $6. Multiple mold purchase = $9 Canada shipping is the same as US. Please send me a PM for shipping outside Canada or the USA.

Funds:
Your personal check is fine or whatever is easy for you. Send cash at your own risk (I prefer not to recieve it that way). Buyers from outside the US, send US funds. I will hold all funds until the buy closes and then deposit them after my check is enroute to Lee Precision. With your funds please include: Forum Name USPS shipping address Exact molds you are ordering; two-cavity, six-cavity, or both

My Mailing Address:
Michael Reamy
P. O. Box 957
Cuero, TX 77954

Buyers Additional Info: Please monitor this first post and my last post for information and updates. All the purchase information is here and an update from Ranch Dog will always be on the last page of this thread. No need to sign up or ask to be added to the buy. Your funds will get you on the list and reserve your copy of the mold. For contact, I prefer a PM instead of an email. Please be patient with me if you communicate outside this forum. The last RD group buy closed with 75 orders and communications through several sources becomes a full time job!

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC460425RF/TLC-460-425-RF_Approval.jpg
Lee drawing of the TLC460-425-RF

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC460350RF/Modified_Micro_Band.jpg
Modified Micro Band

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC460425RF/TLC460_Loaded.jpg
Bullet and loaded ammuntion for the 450 Marlin. Cartridge OAL for the 45-70 is 2.55" and 2.495" for the 450 Marlin.

Ranch Dog
05-19-2006, 09:51 AM
With this buy and any other group buy, there is usually a small amount of funds left over once the shipping is complete. These funds will be forwarded to this forum administrator to help with the cost of operating this site.

If you would like to contribute more, Add A Buck, and I will include the amount along with what is sent to the forum administrator.

I'm not associated with this forum other than as a member like you. I appreciate the ability to participate in these buys and would like to support the cost of operating such a forum when possible.

If you don't want to participate... no problem!

Hackleback
05-22-2006, 02:07 PM
Randch dog; Should have me down for a 6 hole as of right now, as per PM. will likely also get a 2 hole. IOW on the shipping. Let me know how you want to work it.

Thanks for the work on these GB's!! :-)>

Last Spike
05-25-2006, 01:45 AM
Michael, put me down for two of the 2 cavity TLC460-425-Rf molds.

I'll send out a postal money order Friday.

A big thank you for honcho-ing this mold buy as well!:-D

Ranch Dog
05-25-2006, 08:06 AM
Okay fellows...

Hackleback... shipping for two molds of any flavor is $9.

dot6
05-25-2006, 08:12 PM
I'm in for a two-holer. PM sent.

Marc2
05-25-2006, 09:50 PM
Funds sent 5-25-06 for one 2 cavity mold.

Marc

35remington
05-25-2006, 11:57 PM
I'm in. Give me a couple of days on the check, I'll go for at least one two cavity. If I think about it awhile I might get two.

twoworms
05-29-2006, 07:32 PM
Ranch Dog,

I'm new to all this boolite casting and all, but have a 45-70 Marlin to feed. It looks like the bullet you guys have here would work great. I'll send a check this week for a mold or two.

Good luck with the group buy.

Tim

bsn
06-04-2006, 05:06 PM
Payment sent for a 2 cavity.
Thanks for your efforts!!!

LET-CA
06-05-2006, 12:17 AM
Payment will go tomorrow for a 2-cavity. My 45-70 will be proud to have it's own mould. Thanks for putting this together. I appreciate your efforts on our behalf.

zuke
06-09-2006, 06:48 PM
I'll be sending you the money for a 6 banger this weekend.

Thank's again! :drinks:

todd987
06-09-2006, 07:05 PM
Payment sent for a 2-cavity.
Thanks!

Mojo^
06-10-2006, 12:09 AM
Payment for a two-cavity mold be be going out in the mail this weekend.

Thanks for all the hard work Ranch Dog.

Ranch Dog
06-13-2006, 12:46 AM
I killed a hog with the boolit this evening...

First Blood - TLC460-425-RF (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?p=84301#post84301)

dltaskey
06-14-2006, 08:49 PM
I'm in for a 2-cav since it looks more likely to fly. Check out manana.

35remington
06-16-2006, 05:57 PM
RD, sent a check for two 2 cavity moulds today in the mail-it should get there by Monday.

Thanks for all the work in bringing this one to us. Should there not be enough orders, I will go whichever way (six cavity or two cavity) it would take to get a particular mould type up to the minimum required.

I'm not picky. Reason for going with the two cavity is that those six cavities can get heavy with this big of a bullet, and I tend to baby my moulds so the durability of the two cavity is not an issue for me.

LIMPINGJ
06-17-2006, 10:39 AM
Getting payment for a 6 hole in the mail this weekend.
Jim

Ranch Dog
06-19-2006, 05:32 PM
The 2-Cavity Mold Buy Is Closed!

In order to get this buy in the Lee system, I will purchase four molds to make the minimum order. There are molds marked "available" and they are just that... available on a first come, first served basis via PM to me for those that see this thread and are interested.

If you have sent your funds and your mail code is not on the attached chart, PM me immediately so I can make the adjustment and have your order covered.

Thanks for your participation. It is important that this buy gets to Lee this week as we will not have the molds until September at best.

See updated buyer chart on last page of this thread.

Ranch Dog
06-19-2006, 05:55 PM
What Do You Fellows Want To Do With The 6-Cavity Buy?

I would suggest that we just leave it open and wait....

Johnch
06-19-2006, 07:02 PM
What Do You Fellows Want To Do With The 6-Cavity Buy?

I would suggest that we just leave it open and wait....


My thoughts exactly .

Johnch

charlie / sw mo
06-19-2006, 09:40 PM
i will take one of the2 cavity molds if still avalible

charlie in sw mo

glock3540
06-20-2006, 08:54 AM
I'll take a 2 cavity. pm sent

charlie / sw mo
06-20-2006, 05:12 PM
Okay Charlie... See post #1 and get me the funds ASAP.

sent you a monry order today---thanks

charlie in sw mo

libbyman
06-20-2006, 07:03 PM
I will take one of the 2 cavity molds.
Ken in NW Mt.

Ranch Dog
06-25-2006, 01:36 PM
Update...

corvette8n
06-30-2006, 07:36 PM
TLC460-425-RF

Do we have load data for this bullet for 1895 Marlin 45-70
I'd like a load that could shoot thru a Moose or Elk lenthwise :-D
Something like Garretts load.

Ranch Dog
07-15-2006, 01:45 PM
Corvette... I'm using the Hodgdon data from their latest annual. I've been working with the 1895 data for the 400-grain bullet they list. No pressure problems and what a whack at the target berm [smilie=1:

Ranch Dog
07-15-2006, 01:49 PM
Via email, I was sent the approval drawing and returned it. The insert on the lower right corrects the nose dimensions.

These Ranch Dog molds with the modified Micro-Bands are going to be referenced with a "B" as the last letter so the drawings with the Lee Micro-Bands can be retained for future reference. This mold will be a TLC460-425-RFB.

Ranch Dog
07-15-2006, 01:54 PM
Let's get this 6-cavity buy moving! Some of you might have missed this thread...

First Blood - TLC460-425-RF (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?p=84301#post84301)

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Hunting/2006/061206_Hog.jpg

zuke
07-15-2006, 09:10 PM
Sure, I'm in no big rush for'em.

Ranch Dog
07-18-2006, 05:55 PM
Updated List...

LGS
07-18-2006, 06:55 PM
Is the group buy for this mold still open. I would like a 2 cavity mold. Will send payment ASAP is so.

Thanks
LGS

PatMarlin
07-18-2006, 07:56 PM
Hmmm........

Ranch Dog
07-18-2006, 09:38 PM
Is the group buy for this mold still open. I would like a 2 cavity mold. Will send payment ASAP is so.

Thanks
LGS

LGS... the 2-cavity buy is closed and the order is at Lee. The 6-Cavity buy is still open.

ebner glocken
07-22-2006, 11:17 PM
Looks like yall need some more people to buy 6 bangers. I guess I'll take one. The check will be in the mail Monday morning if it's still going.

lar45
07-23-2006, 02:43 AM
I guess I thought that it was going to be a 2 or 6 cavity buy, not 2 and 6.
I'll change my order to a 2 cavity if I can, or 2 of the 2 cavs??

I know that Lee doesn't like to have the quantity changed once the order has been put in, but.....

I like the 6 cavity molds. I think they are much more robust, but if it doesn't look like we will have enough people for the 6 cav, then I'll take 2 of the 2 cav molds if possible.

Ranch Dog
07-23-2006, 09:05 AM
lar45...

The 2-cavity buy closed sometime ago. I had ordered 3 extra 2-cavity molds just to get the buy closed. Those 3 extra molds have now been purchased.

I don't do the "2 or 6" buys... too confusing for the Honcho and funds. I'm still holding the checks/MOs for the 6-cavity buy. If folks think it has run too long, we can close it and I will return the funds.

charger 1
07-23-2006, 09:11 AM
Off topic here,but gotta say it... We certainly thankyou for your time and effort in this Ranch Dog.It is much appreciate. Heck I might even kill an elk with one of these babies and post the pics [smilie=w:

lar45
07-24-2006, 03:08 AM
Your exactly right about people voting for 2 or 6 cavity...
I'll keep my place in line for the 6 cavity. I didn't take the time to read all the posts, just tried to browse through and send checks off for what looked interesting.
Thanks.
Glenn.


lar45...

The 2-cavity buy closed sometime ago. I had ordered 3 extra 2-cavity molds just to get the buy closed. Those 3 extra molds have now been purchased.

I don't do the "2 or 6" buys... too confusing for the Honcho and funds. I'm still holding the checks/MOs for the 6-cavity buy. If folks think it has run too long, we can close it and I will return the funds.

Ranch Dog
07-31-2006, 08:54 AM
Another buyer for the 6 Cavity... Welcome Mr. Owens, I could not read your forum name and a search didn't help??? There is a mailing label ready to go. Wish we could get some more buyers...

ebner glocken
08-01-2006, 11:26 PM
I hate to read this. Has anyone ever done a buy through NEI? Everything that I have used from them has been top notch although I've never used anything that wasn't "off the rack".

Ranch Dog
08-02-2006, 10:01 PM
ebner... I deleted my comments above as it looks like Lee is going to take care of the TLC432 buy.

ebner glocken
08-03-2006, 11:03 AM
Hey that's great! I do think there are better products than lee out there but none come close for the money. I own a handful of NEI molds but the vast majority are lee for obvious reasons.

Ranch Dog
08-17-2006, 09:23 AM
Added LGS to the list...

Johnch
08-17-2006, 07:05 PM
Just a few thoughts .
This group buy seems to be going real slow , maybe because of the 350 Gr bullet or because of the number of buys in the last few months ( lack of $$ )

Do you think anouncing the buy closes on XX,XX,200X would get things rolling ??

Then we could chip in what ever extra we need to for the setup fee ( if we don't get 25 )

I am in no hurry .
I have 4 new moulds to cast with this weekend

Johnch

Ranch Dog
08-17-2006, 10:13 PM
We could each kick in an extra $7 and that would cover the setup fee.

I'm with you John, let's say this closes on 08/31/06 and we kick in or just call it quits and will return the funds. Anybody else care to comment, I've been holding most of these checks a heck of a long time.

Johnch
08-17-2006, 10:25 PM
I will kick in funds
I need a heavy brother to the TLC460-350-RFB

Johnch

LIMPINGJ
08-17-2006, 10:43 PM
8-31 works for me. Just put the word out for any that are still wavering about being in this buy. Then if we need to kick in for the Set Up Fee just let us know how much each of us will owe.
Jim

charger 1
08-18-2006, 06:37 AM
OH God just tell me the deuce's are on the way:groner:

Ranch Dog
08-18-2006, 08:51 AM
Not yet... When working with Lee they always say 90 to 120-days and they pretty much mean it. The earliest we will see it is 09/18/06... a month from now.

PatMarlin
08-18-2006, 10:49 AM
How well do you think the 6 holer will work for such a big boolit? Has anyone done a GB 6 holer this big before?

Wonder how well this would shoot out of my Trapdoor?

LGS
08-18-2006, 03:13 PM
I'll kick in the extra bucks to get it going.

PatMarlin
08-19-2006, 10:34 AM
What I would really like is the 2 holer version of this mold. I missed out on that buy.

If and extra one comes up, or if anyone wants to sell theirs, please let me know.

ebner glocken
08-20-2006, 08:13 AM
I'm fine with kicking in an extra 7 bucks after 083106. ......whatever yall want to do.

ironduke2
08-22-2006, 08:29 PM
Is the group buy still open? If it is I will take a 6 holer. Thanks. Bob:castmine:

Ranch Dog
08-22-2006, 10:09 PM
Is the group buy still open? If it is I will take a 6 holer. Thanks. Bob:castmine:

Bob... Yes, the 6-cavity buy is still open but will close on 08/31. Please see post #1 for all the instructions. One 6-cavity mold is $56 which includes the shipping.

Ranch Dog
08-22-2006, 10:19 PM
How well do you think the 6 holer will work for such a big boolit? Has anyone done a GB 6 holer this big before?

Wonder how well this would shoot out of my Trapdoor?

The TLC460-350-RF is doing fine as a 6-holer and so is the TLC432-285-RF. I would wonder about it's use if you are filling the mold from a ladle. I mean, it takes a while to fill one cavity from a bottom pour pot! Six holes is going to empty a casting pot pretty quick.

Back to reloading... my time of the day. Almost 8 hours on a tractor working on my winter food plots. I've really got some spoiled deer...

LET-CA
08-22-2006, 10:29 PM
Almost 8 hours on a tractor working on my winter food plots. I've really got some spoiled deer...

You're just planting deer seeds for your future harvest like any good farmer. Has the drought eased up yet?

Ranch Dog
08-22-2006, 10:36 PM
Our area is getting the occasional thundershower. The deer are looking pretty good.

My deer are something else!!! I almost hit my range-deer in the head with a TLC432 yesterday while I was working with WC846. I got this doe that hangs out with me at the bench... gun doesn't bother her... and she walked right in front of the barrel as I was about to touch one off. It's pretty strange around here.... My dad calls her "Twitildee"... about as bright a deer as you will see :roll:

ironduke2
08-23-2006, 09:35 PM
Ranch Dog I will get a check in the mail tomorow for $56.00 + $1.00 for the pot. Also I will kick in the extra $7.00 if need be. My Zip is 17241. Thanks. Bob:castmine:

PatMarlin
08-27-2006, 09:06 AM
Ranch Dog,

Finally made up my mind. Put me down for a 6 holer, and check's on it's way.

Thanks...... :drinks:

Ranch Dog
08-28-2006, 03:33 AM
Through Saturday, here is an updated list for the 6-cavity mold. Anticipating funds from Ironduke2 and PatMarlin soon so that brings us to 16.

Rather than split the setup fee, I will purchase the additional 9 to complete the order. Once this buy is closed these molds will be available for an additional $10.

The group buy closes 08/31/06, and the molds will be ordered that date.

Johnch
08-28-2006, 07:07 AM
It's your show , run it as you see right .

Johnch

Ranch Dog
08-31-2006, 06:40 PM
Last call, this order will be in the mail in the morning!!!

Ranch Dog
09-01-2006, 10:46 AM
This group buy is closed. I purchased the eight additional molds to meet the 25 mold minimum to avoid the setup fee.

We will not hear a word from Lee before December 1, 2006, but can expect the order to arrive no later than January 1, 2007.

Last Spike
09-05-2006, 02:02 AM
Michael,

Any word from Lee on the 2 Cavity buy?

Thanks

Ranch Dog
09-05-2006, 09:22 AM
I spoke with one of the receptionist last week (Thursday) and she said the buy was in production. Pat was on vacation and she offered to go to the next building and check with the fellow doing the work. I told her that was okay. If he is cutting molds, I don't want to add an interruption or distraction!!! I'm expecting to get a shipping notice this week.

Ranch Dog
09-07-2006, 04:57 PM
Okay guys, got the following from UPS today...

This message was sent to you at the request of Lee Precision Inc to notify you that the package information below has been transmitted to UPS. The package(s) may not have actually been placed with UPS for shipment. To verify when and if the shipment is tendered to UPS and its actual transit status, click on the tracking link below or contact Lee Precision Inc directly.

Important Delivery Information


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Scheduled Delivery: 13-September-2006

Shipment Detail


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Ship To:
MICHAEL REAMY
XXXX XX XXXX
CUERO
TX
77954
US
Number of Packages 1
UPS Service: GROUND
Weight: 18.4 LBS


Tracking Number: 1Z5866170355795854
Reference Number 1: 23473

charger 1
09-07-2006, 05:54 PM
I already got the stuff together to HP one of the cavities.....YEEHAA

Marc2
09-08-2006, 02:13 PM
Ranch Dog,

Someone may have gone over this already so sorry if i'm revisiting old territory, but does the Lee push through sizer do a good job in seating the gas checks?

Marc

Ranch Dog
09-08-2006, 05:13 PM
Yes, it does a great job. I had to special order one for .460", $25 and about 10 days. Buckshot here on the forum makes the also.

Marc2
09-08-2006, 10:43 PM
Ranch Dog,

Thanks. I'll get my order into Lee for a .460 sizer.

Marc

LIMPINGJ
09-09-2006, 09:29 AM
Marc;
For less money you can hone the off the shelf Lee 457 die out to the correct dia. in very little time with a flat surface and a couple strips of wet dry paper.
Jim

charger 1
09-10-2006, 05:53 AM
Marc;
For less money you can hone the off the shelf Lee 457 die out to the correct dia. in very little time with a flat surface and a couple strips of wet dry paper.
Jim

Ya cause the inside of the lee die is like the dog said when he sat on the sand paper "ROUGH" So the first .002" comes out real quick. Acyually I've honed out about 30 of these for various folk and you want atleast 5-6 bullets so you can sneak up on it slow. It aint hard to go over. I spin em in the little drill press with a emery wrapped steel rod

dltaskey
09-11-2006, 09:54 PM
Okay, you got my attention:roll: How does the flat surface and wet/dry paper work?:-?

Ranch Dog
09-13-2006, 10:49 PM
Okay fellows, I just wander in and out by the front door was a two crates of Lee molds! Here is the schedule:

Tomorrow morning I got to go fly the airliners. Damn airplanes get in the way of my farming, ranching, shooting, casting, and hunting. I will be back Saturday night. I will proof the molds on Sunday and then get them boxed for shipping. Monday they will be at the PO in Cuero.

LIMPINGJ
09-13-2006, 11:09 PM
dl just wrap a strip of wet-dry paper ( I start with 400 then 600 and finisw with 800) around a stiff rod that will fit in the Lee Die. Roll the die back and forth on a flat surface to hone it out. Stop often and push a bullet through and measure. When you are close to desired diameter switch to the finer grit papers to open to your target diameter and to give a smoth finish.
Jim

Ranch Dog
09-17-2006, 08:35 PM
I cast from a sample mold this afternoon and everything looks great! I cast with 1 to 10 (tin/WW), the Lee standard and cast a couple of dozen boolits. I picked out 10 boolits from the group and measured the diameter at the front band and saw a minimum of .4617" to a maximum of .4625". The average weight of the 10 sample boolits was 426-grains with a Hornady gas check. The check was a tight fit but I still could get them on with thumb pressure. This is one hell of a boolit fellows, a very awesome chunck of lead!

My bride is helping me box them up and they will leave Cuero tomorrow.

Marc2
09-17-2006, 09:04 PM
Ranch Dog,

Thanks for your work on this. I'll get the pot ready.

Marc

Ranch Dog
09-17-2006, 09:38 PM
Hey fellows...

Follow this link through the 4570 Reloading Data and Load From a Disk data...http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC460350RF/


I would like to know if you would find this type of info helpful before I go through the trouble of setting it up for all the other RD boolits. I would like to have you guys pass along your load data and I would get it posted. Same thing with targets are the game taken... I would like to get it all posted.

Ranch Dog
09-17-2006, 09:47 PM
I thought I had bought myself a 2-cavity but I didn't. Anybody out there mind if they get the mold I used to test the specs? It's clean but I did use it to cast those test boolits.

LET-CA
09-17-2006, 10:00 PM
I thought I had bought myself a 2-cavity but I didn't. Anybody out there mind if they get the mold I used to test the specs? It's clean but I did use it to cast those test boolits.


Not a problem. Use "my" two-holer for as long as you wish and then pass it along when you're done with it.

Lenny

Ranch Dog
09-17-2006, 10:36 PM
Thanks Lenny, I've got it boxed up and ready to ship. I have a couple of the 2-cavity molds from my original order so I appreciate the offer to use it. I also have a 6-holer coming.

twoworms
09-17-2006, 11:52 PM
Ranch Dog,

If its anything like the 460 325gr boolite I'll love it.

Thanks for all your help on the group buy.

I think I have two, 2 hole molds on order... Sweet!

Tim...

Ranch Dog
09-18-2006, 12:24 PM
Ranch Dog,

If its anything like the 460 325gr boolite I'll love it.

Thanks for all your help on the group buy.

I think I have two, 2 hole molds on order... Sweet!

Tim...

Thank you Tim and your welcome. Yep, you got two in a Priority Mail box getting ready to take a ride to town which will lead to a trip across country.

I can't wait for you guys to get them and see what you do with them out in the woods this fall.

Ranch Dog
09-18-2006, 06:46 PM
All the 2-Cavity molds are enroute. The two fellows in Canada that ordered two of the 2-cavity molds (how about all those twos?) will receive two packages :roll:

It's cheaper ($4) to send them seperately and keeps me within the $9 I promised! :drinks:

Marc2
09-19-2006, 08:11 PM
Jim,

I should have listened to you. I special ordered the Lee Sizer die .460. Showed up today and is stamped .460 on the outside of the die. Ran some of my .460 Bore Slammer 400 grainers through the die just to test. It resized them to .458. So I quess rather than send it back to Lee I'll try the wet/dry paper trick.

Marc

charger 1
09-20-2006, 04:50 AM
Jim,

I should have listened to you. I special ordered the Lee Sizer die .460. Showed up today and is stamped .460 on the outside of the die. Ran some of my .460 Bore Slammer 400 grainers through the die just to test. It resized them to .458. So I quess rather than send it back to Lee I'll try the wet/dry paper trick.

Marc

I'm sorry this happened to you Bro. but in all honesty I've noticed lee's ability to hold a tolerance hit and miss at best

Marc2
09-20-2006, 03:23 PM
Just got in from the mailbox. Mold was inside. I'm impressed. Texas to Virginia in 2 days. Thanks Ranch Dog. Hopefully I can cast a few tonight.

Marc

bsn
09-20-2006, 06:52 PM
Found mine on my desk today, also in Va.

MGySgt
09-20-2006, 07:10 PM
Where are you guys in VA? Maybe we can get an Shoot of some sort started?

Drew

Marc2
09-20-2006, 07:55 PM
Drew,

I'm in Roanoke. How about you?

Marc

drinks
09-20-2006, 08:26 PM
Received mine today just before going in to have about 15-20 skin cancers frozen, not feeling too good now, so it will be tomorrow until I can prep the mold and see what Lee has given us.

Mojo^
09-20-2006, 08:54 PM
Received mine today. Great looking mold for sure.

Kudos to Ranch Dog for organizing the 460-350 and 460-425 group buys. A true gentleman in every sense of the word. :drinks:

Marc2
09-20-2006, 08:58 PM
Front and rear driving bands .460 per my Lyman Caliper. Gas checks snap on with thumb pressure. Weighed five keepers 437 to 439 with my alloy and hornady checks. Bullets filled out well after break in.

Question, is the diameter of the tumble lube section suppose to be smaller than the driving bands? This diameter measured .458 on mine.

I just measured a Lee 230 grain .452. The driving bands were .452 and the tumble lube section was .450 so maybe thats the way Lee designs them.

Marc

MGySgt
09-20-2006, 09:20 PM
Drew,

I'm in Roanoke. How about you?

Marc


Due East - almost as far as you can go. just below Petersburg - Use to shoot NFAA States over there.

Drew

Ranch Dog
09-20-2006, 11:03 PM
Question, is the diameter of the tumble lube section suppose to be smaller than the driving bands? This diameter measured .458 on mine.

Marc... not supposed to be. The fine bands do take a good amount of heat to get a good fill out. I've gotten to were I will heat my pot up to at least 800F and then not let it cycle any lower than 750F. I think I use to pay more attention to 800F as an upper limit in my casting but working with the amount of TL mold designs I have, I really have started considering 775F as a lower working limit of my. This is as according to my Lyman thermometer in my Lee Pro 4-20. It's easy to cool these Lee molds on a damp rag if they start frosting and hanging on to boolits.

Ranch Dog
09-20-2006, 11:07 PM
Received mine today. Great looking mold for sure.

Kudos to Ranch Dog for organizing the 460-350 and 460-425 group buys. A true gentleman in every sense of the word. :drinks:

Thank you Mojo... I appreciate it and hope you do great things with this boolit! I enjoy working with these designs and each of you guys!

corvette8n
09-21-2006, 12:12 PM
Got mine yesterday Thanks Ranch Dog
Cast about 40 or so last night
.460 dia
419-424 gr. using 1/2 lb of lino in a couple of pounds WW. not an exacting mix.
I think one of the two holes drops a little lighter, but since I didn't keep track, I'm
not sure.
I am pleased, they sure do suck the lead out of the pot, compared to the 30 cal ones.
Mine came out a little frosted, so I will have to work on temps, timing.
This is my first multihole mold, so I need a little pratice. :-D

dltaskey
09-21-2006, 05:04 PM
Got mine yesterday also and fired up the pot, prepped the mold and dropped a bunch. Mine came out at 419 gr and
.460 -.461 in. using w/w and 3% tin. Sure do suck the lead out of a pot! I have to run frosty hot to get fill-out but that's normal with Lee molds in my experience. Definately a formidable hunk of lead! Thanks go to Ranch Dog.

drinks
09-21-2006, 05:26 PM
Cast 100, .460" and Hornady gas checks snap on with a moderate amount of pressure, like the 350, it must be cast fast and hot to fill out properly.
I hope to shoot some next week.

35remington
09-21-2006, 06:04 PM
Got mine yesterday. Very good looking bullet, and I am encouraged by the reports of the bullets coming out of the moulds at .460", which is just what I wanted with wheelweights.

RD, thanks for letting us share your design. This is a very lethal looking bullet at a price that made getting two double cavity moulds a low cost option. I prefer the two cavity myself for the lighter weight, but everyone got what they wanted in this group buy. Time for me to break out my Microgroove Marlin .45-70. Load development will be enjoyable.

Hats off to you, sir. Very well done. I feel that this bullet design addressed the design deficiency of the RCBS 405 FN, which is as cast diameter.

Ranch Dog
09-21-2006, 10:11 PM
Keep up the good work guys and good hunting!!!

twoworms
09-21-2006, 11:47 PM
Ranch Dog,

I got my two, two hole molds today. Now that I see the boolit mold it has sank in how big the boolit it is.

Thanks again for a job well done,

Tim

Ranch Dog
09-22-2006, 08:48 AM
Not much mold left is there Tim!!!

CAC, Last Spike, and Charger 1.... How about giving me a shout when you get your molds. I would like to get a good grip on the shipping time to Canada.

Ranch Dog
09-22-2006, 02:37 PM
I spoke with Lee and starting with the TLC460 six-cavity molds, the mold will be stamped with the mold nomenclature; i.e. TLC460-425-RFB. In the future all my molds will have it.

LGS
09-22-2006, 06:54 PM
Hopefully LEE will make your molds a catalog item. Be nice to get a spare whenever you want.

Last Spike
09-29-2006, 02:13 AM
Not much mold left is there Tim!!!

CAC, Last Spike, and Charger 1.... How about giving me a shout when you get your molds. I would like to get a good grip on the shipping time to Canada.

Michael, will do - haven't received any notice from the Post Office to pick up the moulds, but not worrying - will be going deer hunting this weekend - with luck, will be seeing how the 350s do.:castmine:

charger 1
10-02-2006, 06:36 AM
I'm out west now but I called home last night to tell momma about the elk.She said the molds were there and that the post mark was only 3 days previous. Boy thats perdy quik from you to canukistan bro. thanks

CAC
10-02-2006, 04:58 PM
Hey RD,

Just a call from the wife grilling me about something I purchased arriving in the mail from TX. I'm assuming it's the mold. Can't wait to get started. This will be my first venture into the world of cast bullets.

Thanks for all your hard work.

Chris

Last Spike
10-02-2006, 06:33 PM
Got my two moulds today - no customs duties either.

Thanks again, Michael.

Ranch Dog
10-03-2006, 10:49 PM
Boy... that is quite a journey to get there!!! Glad they finally arrived!!!

zuke
10-04-2006, 06:55 PM
Still waiting for mine to show up, postal cose P0L 1C0

Ranch Dog
10-04-2006, 09:01 PM
Hopefully it will be there soon. It sure takes a while to get across the border.

charger 1
10-24-2006, 08:08 PM
What are you guys using behind these in the 45/70? I'm thinkin 3031?

Marc2
10-24-2006, 08:37 PM
H 4198

Marc

charger 1
10-25-2006, 08:18 AM
H 4198

Marc


How many grains?I thought that would be to quick for accuracy on that weight

CAC
10-25-2006, 02:36 PM
Loaded up some the other day with AA2460. Shoot great, about 3 in lower at 100 yds than my 405, but with 8gr less powder.

charger 1
10-25-2006, 02:40 PM
I ended up just shoven 47.5 grs of 3031 behind em which is a pinch over 1700. At my little 75 yd range out back their all touchin. So I dont know if'n I'll fool with that

Marc2
10-25-2006, 05:32 PM
Charger,

What gun are you using? Modern Lever, Bolt, TC?

Marc

charger 1
10-25-2006, 05:43 PM
Charger,

What gun are you using? Modern Lever, Bolt, TC?

Marc

Marlin 95 22"

Ranch Dog
10-26-2006, 08:25 PM
Got home from vacation and I had two boxes from Lee. The TLC460-425-RFBs are here and will be shipped to you tomorrow.

I cast about two dozen from one of the molds and the here is what I dropped with 10 to 1, WW/Tin:

Average diameter at front band (just aft of the crimp groove): .4606"
Average weight with Hornady check: 422-grains

The Hornady check was a good tight fit. Looks like a big-game killing boolit! Below is the latest list of buyers. Lee offered to mark the mold but they marked it wrong. There is a very light stamp marked "460-350" on one end of a mold half. I guess I've sent them too many orders!!! I actually took the marks off my mold with a little stone work. I've got to come up with a way of marking all my molds.

I did cough up the funds to complete the group buy so if you are a late comer to this buy and are interested, drop me a PM. First come, first served. The molds are $55 plus $6 shipping for a total of $61.

I don't know what is up, server won't let me upload the buyers list

0802
10-31-2006, 12:14 AM
Mail received sir!

Explorer1
10-31-2006, 01:22 AM
The mould is on my desk and its a couple months earlier than I was told. Not to mention the check has not even cleared my bank!

Many a business could learn from this level of service!!!

Thanks is too little to say, but thanks for running the GB.

Tomhorn
10-31-2006, 04:20 PM
Woo-Hoo. Got a surprise when I opene the mailbox this morning. Mould looks great, no burrs or imperfactions that I can see. Thanks Michael for all your effort.:Fire: :Fire: :Fire:
Mark

Johnch
10-31-2006, 07:58 PM
Got it either today or yesterday .

Looks great

I was looking at it , not much more room at the bottom :mrgreen:

And just in time
I looked in W. L. Baumler flyer the other day and saw they were closing out the Gibs 45/70 BA rifles
So I ordered one and picked it up today

Time to launch some lead

Johnch

ebner glocken
10-31-2006, 09:30 PM
Got it yesterday. Thanx a bunch!

LIMPINGJ
10-31-2006, 09:37 PM
The Big Six was in the box when I went by the P.O. today. Thanks Ranch Dog.
Jim

ironduke2
10-31-2006, 10:42 PM
Got mine today. Its looks like it will get the job done. Thanks. Bob:castmine:

MGySgt
11-01-2006, 12:26 AM
Mine came in yesterday (?)

Don't know when I will get a chance to try it out.

Just got out of the hospitial yesterday with a long convolance.

Drew

Ranch Dog
11-01-2006, 12:39 AM
Glad you are getting them in. It was quite a surprised that they came in so quick. You guys are right, can't cut much more space out of a mold block so I figure 425-grains is about it for a Lee mold in this caliber. It's should be about as big as a fellow would need. It lifted that big hog right off it's feet and threw it backwards. I haven't had much time to mess with things this year, not a normal year for me at all. My home is done (which includes my covered bench rifle range) so I'm looking forward to a good year of shooting by this time next year. Deer season opens in a couple of days and the only thing I have loaded up is my 444 and the TLC432-285-RF. I've got 10 rounds of ammo but I figure that is two bucks, two does, and six hogs :Fire:

Drew, I'm sorry I didn't read where you were in the hospital. God bless you for a quick recovery!

MGySgt
11-01-2006, 11:13 AM
Michael,

No one around here that would be able to put any info on the board about me. I did start a thread on Humor and Off Topic, just incase I owed something to someone and I haven't responded to them.

I have gone through pretty much all my threads and I do not believe that I have anything outstanding.

Thank you for all that you have done in these GB's, I just won't have a chance to test them out for awhile.

Drew

CAC
11-02-2006, 10:28 PM
Here's a pic of a group I shot the other day.
http://pic30.picturetrail.com/VOL1531/7067619/13530203/201423758.jpg
Not the best, but it was hard when my finger kept freezing to trigger.These are the first bullets I've ever cast. Seem to shoot well.

Chris

PatMarlin
11-02-2006, 10:41 PM
Hey that's great Chris. What mold do you have... the 6 banger?

Get well soon Drew!!!...... :drinks:

CAC
11-03-2006, 12:16 PM
Nope, just the two holer. I don't know if ladle casting and big six holers are made to work together. My RCBS ladle hold just enough to fill the two holer. Now I just have to go scrounge up some more wheel weights as I've cast all the ww I had.

steveb
11-03-2006, 11:24 PM
I know this is aimed at Marlins but I wonder how this would work out in a Winchester 86 EL?

zuke
11-05-2006, 11:09 AM
I signed up for both 460 mold buy's and so far have received only 1 of them. I haven't used it because of work demand's but would like to know where my second one went to.
Any help?

Ranch Dog
11-06-2006, 12:02 AM
Zuke... The 425-grain boolit molds went out on 10/28/06 to your "care of" address. I suspect that shippents to Canada are three to four weeks but please let me know if you do or don't get in in that time period.

PatMarlin
11-06-2006, 12:25 AM
Got mine in N. Cal... thanks dog!!!

Ranch Dog
11-30-2006, 07:52 AM
At the start of this group buy, I had asked you guys to consider adding a buck to be sent to the administrators of this forum for their support. You guys came through and a $98 donation was made on behalf of this buy. The received funds were acknowledged by Willy via an PM to me...

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Temp/Images/0004.jpg

Thanks for your generosity guys! I only have a couple of the extra 6-cavity molds I purchased to complete the minimum. If you are interested in one or know somebody that keeps bugging you for YOUR boolits, have them contact me.

PatMarlin
11-30-2006, 12:17 PM
Oops... I had missed that request, but I already sent Willy some money this year so it's ok.

That's an awesome mold, and you guys that have .458 shooters autta pick one up pronto before they's gooooooone!!

bishopgrandpa
12-20-2006, 01:50 PM
Are there any left?

Ranch Dog
12-20-2006, 03:56 PM
From a previous post up in this thread...

I did cough up the funds to complete the group buy so if you are a late comer to this buy and are interested, drop me a PM. First come, first served. The molds are $55 plus $6 shipping for a total of $61

See the first post on the first page for my mailing address. I have had several folks interested but no checks yet.

bishopgrandpa
12-20-2006, 10:34 PM
PM sent.

SKIXIV
12-22-2006, 12:18 AM
Sent a PM.

Ranch Dog
12-22-2006, 12:54 AM
Okay guys. It looks like I have sold all the molds. Thanks for your interest.

78CJ
01-05-2007, 10:12 AM
So, RD any ideas what loads to use with this boolit? IMR 4198, IMR 3031, H335, H322?

Thanks

Ryan

Ranch Dog
01-06-2007, 12:03 AM
Ryan,

I'm working this weekend but will get some stuff together for you this weekend. I'm a Hodgdon guy so my choice is H322, Benchmark, H335, and then H4198 in that order.

Ranch Dog
01-07-2007, 11:36 AM
Okay Ryan and others... here you go.

This chart looks at the appropriate Hodgdon powders for the 45-70 and my 1895G.

How the data is prepared: I use Load From A Disk to generate the specific data based on the RD TLC boolit, cartridge, and rifle at 90F. In most cases because of the parameters the software works with, it is going to generate a recommended load based on H4198. There are other powders listed but I only work with Hodgdon. I shoot the H4198 against my chronograph and pressure trace equipment to verify the data and then use the pressure information I've collected from the other Hodgdon powders to generate the additional powder choices on the chart. The powders I look at are BL-C2, Benchmark, H322, H335, H4198, H4895, Varget and in some cases H4227.

Considered this an estimate of data and use at your own risk. Lots of a given powder vary and this is a snap-shot of the powder and lot I was using. Compare it against any other data you might have and always take a conservative approach to loading a cartridge. The 45-70 Govt.'s SAAMI pressure limit is 28.0K CUP. My personal limit placed on my Marlin Lever-action rifle is 40.0K CUP. You decide what is best for you.

Reading the chart: The chart trend lines match powder charge against generated pressure measured in CUP. I will not consider a powder charge of less than 85% capacity or over 100% capacity. The approximate capacities are marked along the trend lines.

http://gunloads.com/fam/ranchdogmolds/TLC460425RF/Data/4570/ChargeVsCUP.jpg

http://gunloads.com/fam/ranchdogmolds/TLC460425RF/Data/4570/CUPVsFPS.jpg


I believe it is also important to match the charge/pressure to your boolit alloy. The left side of the chart represents (30.0K CUP) represents air cooled wheel weights. There is a range represented by a dashed-arrow line for Lyman #2 and also water quenched wheel weights. I like to identify my alloy to a specific pressure and have included a dashed line of my alloy so you can see how I select a powder. I would follow that line (at 37.1K CUP) and select the powder with the greatest capacity (Benchmark).

Starting loads: In working with cast boolits, you typically are not working against a maximum load of powder. Use care if you decide to reduce a load as a starting load. I would not shoot one of these four powders at less than 85% case capacity. BL-C2, H4227, H4895, and Varget are not appropriate for this application.

I will add a velocity chart as soon as I have the time. With a chronograph, you can verify the velocity against the charge which is verifing the pressure estimate.

78CJ
01-08-2007, 08:49 AM
Michael, thanks for helping out.

A couple things I found out this weekend.

One is that I had not weighed the new boolits when I posted but got a chance to just before I left work on friday. I don't have any other scale at home other than the Lee scale. My work scale for weighing aggregate weighs in grams but a little converting tells me that unchecked and unlubed my air cooled ww alloy boolits are dropping at 431 grains avereage. (I weighed 30 at a time). I am guessing lubed and checked I will be in the 435 range. This means I will knock a grain or two off of the chart just to be safe.

Another interesting note (to me anyway) is that I got a chance to try out my new chronograph this weekend and to anyone who does not have one of these you need to get one. I shot six rounds loaded with the RD 432 285 TLC (mine check and lubed run about 275 grains) out of my 5.5" Redhawk. That was just plain cool. I shot with the chrono at 10 feet and with 21 grains of H110 the group was 1.25" and the average velocity was 1285fps. No wonder they make that thing hard to hold on to. It is so neat to see what your loads are doing.

Anyway, thanks for all your help.

Ryan

Ranch Dog
01-08-2007, 09:57 AM
I'm glad everything is working Ryan. I wouldn't worry too much about the additional weight of the boolit. 10-grains will raise the pressure about 100 CUP across the range. The Hornady 45 caliber gas checks weigh 8.3-grains. Thanks for your support!

MGySgt
01-09-2007, 07:54 PM
I can hardly wait to start working a load for this bullet - I have 3 guns I want to try it in. 1895 GG, Ruger #1 and a T/C Encore with custom shop 24 in bull with muzzell tamer.

Still can't shoot the boomer until my chest heals more - only been 2 months and probably need another 3.

Ranch Dog
01-10-2007, 12:07 AM
MGySgt... I hope you continue to recover and get to those boolits!

MGySgt
01-10-2007, 07:19 PM
Thank you Michael - I am sure that it will be worth the wait. After all I have been trough I would rather wait an extra month then take a chance of the fusion not holding. I know the wire will.

The sucker still hurts like h@## at times!

Drew

Ranch Dog
01-11-2007, 07:54 PM
Added velocity chart above and via my web link. Working on the others now that hunting season is done.

catboat
01-11-2007, 10:58 PM
If anyone would like to sell a double cavity TLC460-425-RF, please drop me an email.

Hope this mould is repeated for another GB.

Thanks.

coggins1@roadrunner.com
or
pontoon@adelphia.net

only1asterisk
01-13-2007, 03:11 AM
I'd like to try something a little different with this boolit. If one of you gentlemen from the group buy wouldn't mind, I need a couple dozen unlubed.

Thanks,

David

0802
02-13-2007, 07:02 PM
The bad weather in the northern VA area got me home early today, with enough time to finally cast with my 6 banger. I must say they dropped beautifully. One cavity stuck a little, but I give another once over with Comet and an old toothbrush. I wish they all worked like this.

Ranch Dog
02-13-2007, 09:27 PM
Good to hear it 0802! I started to get a bunch ready today to cycle it through my 1895MR (450 Marlin rifle). I've got my Postal Match IV hunters coming in a couple of weeks and the guy that won the hunt will need it to hunt hogs with.