35 x 30/40 cast

[30hrrtt]

I'm thinking of getting a 35 x 30/40 barrel for shooting cast. Does anybody have any experience with this round or have any links with data?

[OBXPilgrim]

Someone had some posts about a 35 - 30/30, which should have some similar issues/concerns/advantages as a 35-30/40, but you should get a little more velocity. You might do a search for it. It sounded pretty interesting & from what I remember, the guy was pretty happy with it.

[yondering]

Wouldn't that be pretty similar in case capacity to the .358 Winchester?

I could see doing it if you're going to rebore an existing 30/40 Krag, but otherwise, why not just go with a .358 Win or a .35 Whelen?

[Nrut]

Barrel for what firearm?

[30hrrtt]

TC Contender

Looking for the ultimate 35 cal in a 14" barrel.
The 35 Rem is pretty good. The Krag would have a longer neck and a little more powder.

[Nrut]

The 35 Krag has about the same case capacity as the .358 Win or .356 Win. both which are to much for the Contender unless they are downloaded.. At least with the older T/C frames that I have.. Maybe the new G2 frames handle higher pressures I don't know..

I would think a 35's made by Bullberry, SSK, or Bellm would be better as they are designed for the Contender..
Take a look at the .358 Bellm for example
http://www.bellmtcs.com/BellmTriad/358BellmData.htm

I would also check out this sight and ask about delivery times and quality of work before committing any $ to one of these barrel makers .. It used to be they were really back logged..
http://specialtypistols.infopop.cc/eve

Back in the 80's when I lived in the States I was a Contender nut.. Up here handguns are restricted and we can't hunt with them so I left them with a friend down there. I did bring up a carbine and would like to get either a .375 win. or a Rimmed .35 Remington which is just a .35 Rem using Krag brass run thru a .35 Rem die and trimmed back.. The barrel also has to be cut for the Krag rim..
Contenders sure are a fun little firearm to plink and hunt with..
If you do get your "ultimate .35" I'd like to hear about it..

[BerdanIII]

I know there was an article on the .35 Krag in Handloader, but I don't think there was any cast bullet data. I'll look anyway. There is a semi-wildcat based on a .35 Remington Contender barrel with a rim recess cut into the breech face. This was done to correct misfires that were driving the owner nuts. I can't remember what case was used right off hand. I'll check that one, too.

[bearmn56]

The 35-30/40 is a dead ringer for the old .35 Winchester. This round was introduced in the 1895 Winchester Lever. Cartridges of the world should have loading data as does some of the old Lyman loose leaf type reloading manuals.
I shoot a 9x57 Mauser using the lyman GC 358009 mould at 292gr. It is a big blunt nosed bullet with lots of accuracy potential and good killing power. You should be able to attain 1800+ fps with great accuracy.
A 1 in 14 twist appears to be ideal with this bullet. Faster twists seem to over spin the bullet and skid a little on the rifling with top loads.
This would be a great cartridge in a single shot or one of the Browning/Winchester 1895 replicas.
Bearmn56
Montana Territory

[Beerd]

The ultimate .35 cal cartridge in a 14" Contender barrel is the .357 Max [smilie=1:

I have a 15 inch .35 Rem Rimmed barrel made by Mike Bellm. It will shoot a little faster than the Max but not by much. The way I see it the main thing you gain with the bigger cases is the ability to use heavier bullets. Maybe that's what you are after.
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[BerdanIII]

From: The .35 Waller, A Low-Cost Wildcat, The Cast Bullet (Fouling Shot), 133-6
Wildcat for .35 Remington T/C Contender barrel based on .303 British; rim recess cut in barrel face, extractor thickness reduced to fit under rim of .303 case. Cases formed in .35 Remington dies, trimmed to .35 Remington length.

From: Speaking "Frankly" - Is the .35 the Classic Caliber for Cast Bullet Hunting?, The Fouling Shot, 158-4
.350 British based on rebored, rechambered .303 Lee-Speed; .303 British case necked up; 1:16" twist; reloaded with .35 Rem. dies
Lyman 358315 (210 gr) - 36.0 - IMR3031 - 2000 fps
Lyman 359430 (195-gr) - 10.0 - Unique - 1400 fps
000 Buck - 1.0 - Bullseye
"soft swaged, cast pistol bullets" - 4.0 to 5.0 - Unique - 1000 fps
"harder cast Keith types" - 10.0 - Unique - 1450 fps

From: Reinventing the .35 Winchester, The Fouling Shot, 157-19
Loading for .35 WCF ballistics in .35 Whelen Model 95 Winchester; NEI .35 (249 gr) - 51.0 - H380 - 1.0cc shot Ballistic Products shotshell buffer - 2248 fps

From: .35 Krag, Handloader 173, Feb. 1995
Krag rebored to .35 WCF; reformed .30-40 cases, .35 WCF dies used; loads reduced to be approximately 10% below .35 WCF levels; no cast load data; most accurate jacketed loads shown:
200-gr Hornady spire point
48.0 - IMR4064 - 2203 fps
47.0 - IMR4320 - 2240
47.0 - IMR4895 - 2208
49.0 - RL12 - 2215
220-gr Speer flatnose
46.0 - IMR4895 - 2217 fps
45.0 - H4895 - 2190
250-gr Hornady roundnose
44.0 - IMR4895 - 2072 fps
44.0 - H4895 - 2044

From: .35 Winchester - Pet Loads; Handloader, Nov. 1990

Lyman 358315GC (210 gr)
20.0 - IMR4227 - .30-40 case - 1440 fps - most accurate cast bullet load
27.0 - IMR4198 - Bertram case - 1725 - best combination of accuracy and velocity with cast bullets
Lyman 358318GC (250 gr)
22.0 - IMR4227 - Bertram case - 1612 fps - best accuracy with these bullets; fired w/out GC

From: Ideal Hand Book #48, .35 Winchester
Ideal 358238 (165 gr)
7.0 - Unique - 1206 fps
13.5 - SR4759 - 1186
17.5 - SR4759 - 1395
Ideal 358318 (249 gr)25.0 - IMR4198 - 1500 fps estimated
26.4 - Hercules 2400 - 1700 estimated