Remington 700 BDL Varmint Barrel twist rate

[ETG]

This past week I finally took the Remington 700 BDL Varmintor Deluxe out of the box and mounted a scope on it. Now I have had this rifle in the box since I bought it back in 1974. Loaded up some rounds and took it out. Using 63 gn Serria semi point (also bounght in 74 - $3.45 price sticker on the box) and some primers and 4350 also bought in 74. Haven't really worked up a load but did try a couple different powders (4350 & 4895). Best groups were around 1" at 100yds. Trigger needs work and I haven't checked the bedding yet. Checked the twist rate and I come up with a 1 in15" twist. Never heard of this twist rate before. Anyone know what the factory listed twist rate is on this gun. Thanks. ETG

[stephen perry]

Sounds like a 22-250. If it is a 1-15 twist sounds more like a .222 or .223. Do yourself a favor and don't buy anymore 69 grn bullets. With 1-15 twist which is a BR twist for a 22 PPC you need bullets in the 50-55 grn range. If you are not using wind flags your getting groups at I would expect. Clean the trigger with mucho lighter fluid before doing anything stupid like letting your friend adjust it.

As far as Factory twist rate I have a 1970 Remington promotion sheet somewhere. For 22-250 1-9 is common 1-14 was offered also.. The only thing that bugs me is your use of 4350 powder. This is a mid range powder for mid cartridges like 22-250 and 6 Rem. But 63 grn sounds like a upper window a Sierra 22 bullet.

If you want some better info you need to come back with the caliber.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR :brokenima

[Wayne S]

Checking some older loading manuals, the standard twist Rem. used for all the .224 Cal. chamberings was 1-14

[ETG]

I knew I forgot something!!! Yes it is a 22-250. The 63 grain sierras were the only 22s I had except for the 55 grainers I made from 22LR cases. A little too fast to use those. I ordered a Jewel trigger for it and the barrel channel definately needs to be opened up. 4350 was listed as a accuracy load in my old Lyman manual and I happen to have that as well as 4895.

[RSOJim]

The old tried and true accuracy load for a remington 22-250 with a 1-14 twist is this load. Sierra 52 grain hollow point, 36 grains of IMR 4064 powder, cci large rifle bench rest primer. If it won't shoot with this combination, it won't shoot. I had a rifle just like yours with a 16 power leupold scope mounted. If I did my part at a 100 yards, 3 bullet holes were touching. I have killed ground hogs at an honest 400 yards using this combination. My brother just had an Adams and Bennett barrel installed on a mauser action and placed in a snythetic stock. Its chambered for 22-250. I brought it to Florida with me last month and put an old 12 power weaver scope on it. I did some trigger work to it and it shoots 3 into less an inch at a 100 yards when I do my part. Arthritic hands and shoulders makes doing my part and iffy thing. I will be making some more of these loads mentioned above this week. Thanks Jim

[felix]

RSOJim is indeed correct for twist and load. Some 700's shot best with a little less 4064, others want the balls to the wall load. Start at 34 grains. ... felix

[Iowa Fox]

I have a 223 BDL varmint I purchased new in 1983. Got so busy with life its still in the box. On the end of the box it says 1-9 twist.

[ETG]

I have 4064 and CCI LR BR primers. I wonder with the slower twist if the 55gn bullets made from 22LR cases would take the velocity or just vaporize. Anyone tried them with success at 3500-3700 fps?

[stephen perry]

Now we know you have a 22-250 with 1-14 twist you have some good choices. Everybody has a favorite powder for the Niedner cartridge. I have no favorite powder but I have seen different powders used in the 22-250. One that is talked about by the accuracy crowd is H 380. H or I 4895 is a universal powder for many cartridges you will find a good load with it. I have a Rem ADL in 22-250 but unfortunately mine is a 1-9 twist so not much help to you. I do have Rem .222 and .223 which have 1-14 twist using the same bullets as you.

All the bullet makers make good to really good 22 cal bullets. Can't say one is any better than the other but for paper work I lean towards Sierra 50-55grn bullets. For Varmints I would go with Hornady's and Speer's.

No need to use too much scope. For field use 10x is all you need for target 20x is nice to have.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR :brokenima

[felix]

ETG, you will be limited in velocity to maintain your Sierra accuracy. I'd try for 2700 first. 4198, RL7 come to mind to use first. ... felix

[Bullshop]

To my understanding at that time Rem only offered the 22/250 with a 1/14"twist. Those 63gn Sierra semi pointed you got will work good and are intended for the 1/14'Twist. There is an even heavier bullet intended for a 1/14" twist that is the Speer 70gn semi pointed. Speer says it was intended for those wanting to use a 22 cal with standard 1/14" twist for deer hunting. If you are using spitzer nose or boat tail bullets you will be best serve with the 52 to 55 gn bullets. Most bullet makers say they get better ballistic uniformity with bullets over 50gn.
There are lots of powders that will give good performance in the 22/250 so cant begin to mention them all.
Back in 79/80 I was hunting fur for my main income in the winter. I had two rifles especially for fur hunting. They were both Browning B-78's one a 6mm Rem and the other a 22/250. In the 22/250 I was looking for speed as well as accuracy and for my hunting load settled on 41gn H414 with 55gn bullets. That gave me about 3800 fps with excellent accuracy. That became a standard load that proved to work well in several 22/250 rifles.
BIC/BS

[9.3X62AL]

1-14" pitch is still popular for 22-250. I'm another fan of the Sierra 52 and 53 grain Matchkings and H-380 powder in this chambering. My current and much-fired Rem 788 does good work with the Sierra 60 grain HP run at higher velocities (3300 FPS+). H-380, WW-760, and H-414 are my usual fuels with the 60 grainers. Things stay together on paper to 300 yards, and seem to do so on rats well past that mark--if the driver tends to business at the starting line.

[DLCTEX]

My accuracy load for 22-250 in a 1-14 barrel is 32gr. 3031 behind a Speer 52 gr. Gold Match bullet.

[StarMetal]

To all: Those Speer 70 grain semi-point, and possibly the Sierra 63 grains semi-points, were not designed for the 1-14 twist. In my Speer book the specifically say they may not stabilize in the 1-14 unless shot at extremely high velocity. The one real reason they were made a semi point was to lessen their length as to help the loaded cartridge fit the magazine and action of rifles firing them. Also I've seen mentioned the semi point enhanced performance on game. Lot's of people out there on the internet know that it's the length of the bullet that controls what twist it's fired from and from such I believe the myths started that they were designed for the 1-14 twists. If this were true why would they have made the rifles that normally never had a slow twist? The ammo manufacturers may have made special bullet such as some came these two are for Speer and Sierra. In addition why then don't you see them in other calibers that may have a fast twists?

They work in some shooters rifles and don't in others. My best friend had a 22-250 Ruger varminter an it keyholed the Sierra's at any velocity.

Joe

[stephen perry]

Remington did make a 1-9 twist 22-250 barrel I have one. With Sierra 52-53 grn bullets every bullet went through the 100 yd target sideways. I called Sierra-Missouri they told me with that 1-9 twist their thin jacket 22's would not stabilize. They referred me to their Sierra 55 grn blitz 1345 and 55 grn Spitz BT 1365. Both these bullets being of thicker jacket construction flew true to the target.

With 1-14 twist the full range of 22 bullets should shoot well. I can't feel bad I got the near new gun for $250 15 years ago. I sold the gun to the guy originally in our shop. I know I have to leave my 52-53 grn bullets for my .222 and .223 but that's ok.

I will shoot my 225 415 and 225 462 cast in the 22-250 at mid 2000 velocities and hope to get 225462 next year. Any of these bullets will be good rabbit/coyote loads.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR :brokenima

[Bullshop]

Joe you are right, I likely said what I meant wrong. What I meant was that they are made as long/heavy as possible to still work in a 1/14" twist.
Mr Perry Sir
You better check your Sierra chart. The blitz is the only bullet by Sierra with a thinner jacket to facilitate more violent expansion with smaller case 22's, not a thicker jacket, no bull!
Hornady made the SX (super explosive) and Sierra made the blitz both of thinner jacket construction.
I have never had any trouble with any of the standard jacket bullets from Speer, or Hornady, or Sierra with fast twist barrels. All will shoot very well. I now have a 22/250 with a 1/6.5" twist and I do not have any problems with the standard jackets.
I was able to vaporize the Sierra blitz and the Hornady sx in 1 1/9" twist in a Styer rifle chambered for the 5.6x57RWS. They would make about 30 ft from the muzzle and disintegrate.
BIC/BS

[StarMetal]

Remington did make a 1-9 twist 22-250 barrel I have one. With Sierra 52-53 grn bullets every bullet went through the 100 yd target sideways. I called Sierra-Missouri they told me with that 1-9 twist their thin jacket 22's would not stabilize. They referred me to their Sierra 55 grn blitz 1345 and 55 grn Spitz BT 1365. Both these bullets being of thicker jacket construction flew true to the target.

With 1-14 twist the full range of 22 bullets should shoot well. I can't feel bad I got the near new gun for $250 15 years ago. I sold the gun to the guy originally in our shop. I know I have to leave my 52-53 grn bullets for my .222 and .223 but that's ok.

I will shoot my 225 415 and 225 462 cast in the 22-250 at mid 2000 velocities and hope to get 225462 next year. Any of these bullets will be good rabbit/coyote loads.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR :brokenima

I don't know whether I believe that or not. I have a Colt HBAR with a 7 twist and I can blister the bullets you mentioned with no accuracy problems. Now before you say the 22-250 with the nine twist can shoot higher velocities, which is true, how much higher would then have to be to equal the rpm from the 7 twist?

Example: 3700 fps from the 22-250 with 9 twist equals 296,000 rpm.

3100 fps from the 5.56 with 7 twist equals 318857 rpm.

See why I don't believe what you said? So there's more the rpm involved...say maybe friction going through the air?

Joe

[Ricochet]

When I bought my Savage 12BVSS in .22-250 it was only available with a 12" twist, while the .223 was only made with a 9" twist. I haven't encountered any problems with a 60 grain Hornady TAP "Barrier" bullet at about 3400 FPS out to 200 yards in the 12" twist.

[Bullshop Junior]

22-250 Remington - 1 in 12" . . .Sako; Savage 110, 112; Thompson/Center Rifle
22-250 Remington - 1 in 14" . . .Browning; Remington 700,788, 40-XB; Savage
99, 110, 112-V; H&R; Husqvarna; Ruger;
Winchester 70, 770; Mossberg;Weatherby;
Sako current models

http://www.exteriorballistics.com/reference/pdf/Twist%20Tables_Rifle.pdf

[stephen perry]

I was in the retail gun business for 25 years. I sold the 22-250 I now have. Iowa Fox verified that Remington made 22 cal barrels in 1983 with 1-9 twist about the same time I bought my 700 ADL 22-250 as new. I know key hole shots when I see them. If I say the Sierra tech rep told me what bullets to shoot then he did. Besides as usual the original Poster has left smart on his part and left the chickens to squabble over the crumbs.

Hate to use this analysis but to go along with my 47 years cast time I have shot BR since 1977. I ran a BR program at San Gabriel for 13 yrs and will be running the Angeles BR program next year. Since their are ideological differences here between what a Remington barrel will do with Sierra bullets let's put this one to rest I promise I will.
Done.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR :holysheep

[AZ-Stew]

The old tried and true accuracy load for a Remington 22-250 with a 1-14 twist is this load. Sierra 52 grain hollow point, 36 grains of IMR 4064 powder, cci large rifle bench rest primer. If it won't shoot with this combination, it won't shoot.

Well, most of the time...

I had a guy tell me about his 4064 load many years ago. He swore by it, and I didn't argue that it probably shot well in his .22-250s, but I assured him it wouldn't shoot well in mine (which he was wanting to buy from me). It the range we sat down with my rifle and both his and my loads. His 4064 loads shot about an inch and a half. My loads shot nearer a half inch, with him doing the shooting. He was dumbfounded.

I spent several months with that rifle, a post-64 Winchester M-70 HB .22-250, trying to get it to shoot well. Free float, trigger job, glass bedding, bench rest treatment of cases, 85 1975 dollars worth of components (powders, primers, bullets, brass), and many hours at the range until I finally found the "golden" combo for that rifle. It would shoot nothing else. As I said, I gave the cartridges the bench rest treatment, used any 52gr HPBT match bullet (remarkably, it didn't discriminate between manufacturers), CCI-BR2 primers and 40.5gr H-380. Any other combo and the group sizes would double.

I have a Remington M-788 .22-250 and it doesn't seem to take to this load. It doesn't shoot it badly, but it doesn't shoot it spectacularly, either. I haven't found the "golden" load for it yet, but I'll keep looking.

There is no "universal" accuracy load for any cartridge. Each rifle will tell you what it likes. My Garand HATES the "standard match" load using 4895 and the Sierra 168gr HPBT Match bullet. However it LOVES Sierra's 150gr GameKing spitzer boat tail over 50.5 gr H-335 and a standard primer. I'll try anyone's "accuracy" load when starting to work with a rifle, but I never expect to hit the jackpot with any of them.

Regards,

Stew

[StarMetal]

I was in the retail gun business for 25 years. I sold the 22-250 I now have. Iowa Fox verified that Remington made 22 cal barrels in 1983 with 1-9 twist about the same time I bought my 700 ADL 22-250 as new. I know key hole shots when I see them. If I say the Sierra tech rep told me what bullets to shoot then he did. Besides as usual the original Poster has left smart on his part and left the chickens to squabble over the crumbs.

Hate to use this analysis but to go along with my 47 years cast time I have shot BR since 1977. I ran a BR program at San Gabriel for 13 yrs and will be running the Angeles BR program next year. Since their are ideological differences here between what a Remington barrel will do with Sierra bullets let's put this one to rest I promise I will.
Done.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR :holysheep

Afraid not, you won't get the last word. Ideologically my 7 twist HBAR barrel shot those same bullets with more rpm then your Remington...so tell me it's the twist. Nobody said anything about whether you know a keyhole in the target. I'm asking you why with all your 47 years of casting, shooting BR since 1977, running a BR program at San Gabriel, and going to run an Angeles BR program doesn't my 7 twist keyhole them.....hmmmmmmmmmmmmm??

Joe

[Bullshop]

So you are saying the tech told you that the blitz bullet has a thicker jacket?
Mr. Perry Sir I dare say your true colors are showing. When proven wrong on several points ditch and hide.
Sir you have gone out of your way to belittle me on this thread and others for some reason known only to you.
Your have contradicted me and you have not been able to prove a word you said other than hearsay you have provided. Others beside myself have provided fact and all you can say is you don't like this game anymore so don't want to play.
Sir this is a very simple game to win just give proof of your claim just as others have.
In other words put up or shut up.
In order to be a know it all you actually have to know something!
You self proclaimed credentials have no merritt since you are the source and have already proven to be unreliable. Perhaps you should review the books from the old masters that you allegedly got your education from.
If it seems like I am lashing out at you you are correct. You see Sir even as a Christian I am still a man of flesh and blood and have limits like everyone else.
I seek no glory for myself but on the same token don't care to be a whipping post for some self richeous inflated ego.
Lord forgive me if I have been a stumbling block for anyone. I am counting on his mercy!
Blessings
BIC/BS

[robertbank]

If the OP wants this thread to continue he can PM me and I will oblige. Otherwise I think it is time to say good evening and I hope you all enjoyed a Happy Thanksgiving.

Take Care

Bob