So you would know........PAY PAL

[LAH]

Guess a lot of you guys know me but for those who don't, I'm Lynn Halstead. I operated the casting company "Dry Creek Bullet Works, Inc". We had customers who didn't want to use pay pal claiming they were anti gun. Finally I learned first hand the customer is always right. My account was froze and I was allowed only to withdraw my funds. I could pay no one or accept payment from anyone. Why????????? I sold bullets. I know they sell them on EBAY. Because of a discussion that came up today I contacted pay pal. Below is the results...just so you would know............Creeker

Here's my question to pay pal:

Form Message
customer subject: I own a lead bullet company, can I collect payments
for bullets through Pay Pal?

Here's their answer:

Thank you for contacting PayPal.

Hello! How are you doing today? My name is Katrina and I will be the one to
assist you with your concern. I understand that you wanted information
whether you could use PayPal to accept payments for your business. Let me
look into the information I could provide for you.

In accordance to our User Agreement under the Acceptable Use Policy,
unfortunately, PayPal may not be used for accepting payment for selling
ammunition. Here is a part of the policy as listed in our User Agreement:

AMMUNITION
You may not use PayPal to buy or sell high-capacity magazines (those which
hold more than 10 rounds), ammunition with propellant (e.g., gunpowder), or
blank ammunition. The term "ammunition" means ammunition or cartridge
cases, primers, bullets, or propellant powder designed for use in any
firearm.

To review the PayPal User Agreement, click
http://www.paypal.com/useragreement or copy the entire link into the
address bar.

The PayPal User Agreement can also be found by visiting our website and
clicking on the 'User Agreement' link at the bottom of any PayPal page.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us again.

Sincerely,
Maria Katrina
PayPal Community Support
PayPal, an eBay Company

[454PB]

That's good to know. I don't have a Paypal account, and now I know I never will.

Sounds like Sarah Brady might be their CEO.

[TedH]

Yep, same thing happened to me for selling bullets on ebay. When they froze my account I wasn't even able to withdraw my money until I revised my ebay auctions to remove any reference to Paypal. Needless to say, I don't use them anymore.

[Bigscot]

I have wondered, if there was enough interest, if the NRA could/would facilitate an Ebay and paypal type operation for firearms and accessories for it's members. They have so many other programs and this would be a good oportunity to beat the anti's at their own game.

BS

[Bucks Owin]

As far as I know, "E-Butt" is as anti-gun as PayPal. I won't deal with either one and do my "shopping" at Gunbroker.com. (I hope someone doesn't tell me they're antis too!)

FWIW,

Dennis

[waksupi]

I have wondered, if there was enough interest, if the NRA could/would facilitate an Ebay and paypal type operation for firearms and accessories for it's members. They have so many other programs and this would be a good oportunity to beat the anti's at their own game.

BS

More intersting to me, is if this board could pull it off. It would generate operating income, and definitely be gun friendly.

[Gunload Master]

Would people be interested in an auction site to sell guns, ammo, etc? I could probably set something up, but it would take a while. Chances are, fee's would be probably nothing, unless server demand got really high.... thoughts?

[Lee]

If the prices are right, they will come...........................................Lee :)

[357maximum]

I too have no use for the paypal sh%theads any longer, but here is my question.

Aren't egouge and paypal owned by the same outfit fellas?

[MT Gianni]

Rumor has it the same folks own Auction Arms, but they get more "Politcally Correct" people using E-bay. Gianni.

[Bret4207]

If you look at Ebay and Gunbroker, (I think those are the 2), you'll see the same script, layout, prompts, everything. I was under the impression they are the same company, just that Ebay is the PC version.

[Bass Ackward]

I can't vouch for the quality, but here is an alternative.

http://www.greenzap.com/

[LAH]

And here's another: www.gearpay.com

[waksupi]

Would people be interested in an auction site to sell guns, ammo, etc? I could probably set something up, but it would take a while. Chances are, fee's would be probably nothing, unless server demand got really high.... thoughts?

Willy, I have no problem with a reasonable fee, and doubt anyone else here would. There should be a bit of income generated, to make it worthwhile to run. You could become a cast boolit bazillionaire. If there are start up costs, some of us could throw in, for a percentage!

[shooter575]

And here's another: www.gearpay.com

Hey,has anyone used this or any other of the "shooter freindly" accounts like this?Do sellers on other auctions sites accept these methods of payment? I have never bought online so I am a newbee on all this.

[trooperdan]

I can't vouch for the quality, but here is an alternative.

http://www.greenzap.com/


Just took a quick look at gearpay and greenZap. GreenZap has a more polished look and feel but GearPay specifies being "shooter friendly". GreenZap also grants you $25 is credit for joining and an extre 425 for referring someone. Bass, are you a greenZap member? if so, post your user ID and I'll use you as a referring source when I sign up. I think I'll give both of them a try, at least for a while.

How far you think we'd get if we ran an eBone ad, stating payment was only accepted through mail of GreenZap or GearPay, humm? :) Bet that flag would come down quickly!

[Bass Ackward]

Bass, are you a greenZap member?

Dan,

No I have no accounts with them. That is why I said that I could not vouch for their quality. I just hate ebay and their serogate PayPal. But they do seem to offer discounts within their network. And if you are going to use it, you might as well as get something back. This reminds me of the old S&H Green Stamps.

[NVcurmudgeon]

I did once sell some camera equipment on E-bay. It later occured to me that I was helping to line the anti-gun enemy's nest. Since then I have not darkened their door, even though I know that they are probably a great source for used boolit moulds. I have never used Pay Pal, but if they are part of the same group, that's bad enough for me.

[357maximum]

"S&H GREENSTAMPS"


Man them things tasted god aweful. used to stickem to the book for my mom, bad tastes never leave your toungue.

[NVcurmudgeon]

I am still using a vise that I got by saving S&H Green Stamps, or Blue chip stamps. (I used to save both, about 45 years ago.)

[Bucks Owin]

I am still using a vise that I got by saving S&H Green Stamps, or Blue chip stamps. (I used to save both, about 45 years ago.)

Gee, I remember those! Had an aunt who worked in an actual S&H store locally when I was a young'un....
Both long gone now...

Guess we're about the same "vintage" :-D

Dennis

[lovedogs]

I hope you don't mind, I copied your post about Pay Pal and forwarded it to some gun shop owners who were using it.

[floodgate]

"Man them things tasted god aweful. used to stickem to the book for my mom, bad tastes never leave your toungue."

HA! I once got a batch of lick'em mailing labels from an outfit that must have used old, rancid peanuts as a base for the glue. YECCCHHH!! Had to lick half a book of Green Stamps to get rid of that taste, and at that they tasted good by comparison.

Remember when your kids came home from school and told you that if you and all the other parents saved ALL their Green Stamps and donated them, the school could use them to buy a new school bus?

Then, when I worked awhile for the Feds, when we used a GSA car, bought gas and got Green Stamps, they made us turn in the stamps whemn we returned the car. Wonder how many F-4's THAT bought? (Boy, that dates me! But I'll never forget the thrill of seeing a fully armed F-4 roll out of the hanger, fire off the AB, and go straight up out of sight. I can still feel the ground shake when I think of it.)

floodgate

[Gunload Master]

I could probably get some auction software similar to this:
http://www.ajsquare.com/products/ajauction/demo/

It's an Ebay type clone software... Pretty straight forward...

You can log-in Username: Demo Password: demo

[flhroy]

Floodgate you say F-4's date you. Never had the chance to work with such a modern aircraft. My time in the Navy was spent with the F-8 Crusader. While on station one day an F-8 did a fly-by about 1000 yards off the port beam at flight deck level. At around 1.1 mach!! He then pulled his nose up, started dumping fuel out of his wing tips and corkscrewed up out of sight. That sight was etched into my memory and I still see it like it happened a half an hour ago.

[swheeler]

Is this something NEW? I have bought brass off e-bay and paid with Pay-Pal, it has been a year or so ago.

[Tom Myers]

Yesterday was the last day of an ebay auction item that I was bidding on. It was a Marlin 1894 forend cap listed by a person I have bought from before in Canada.

One hour before the bidding was to end, I received an email from eBay to the effect that the auction had been cancelled as it was an item not allowed according to their list of unapproved items.

They refrenced me to their list of disallowed items and it seems that NO GUN PARTS are allowed to be bought and sold OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES.

Here is a copy of their notification and the reason why:
************************************************** **************************
Marlin parts, 1894 forend nose cap small caliber, oct.
has been removed by eBay for violating of one or more of our policies. Any offers or bids placed on this listing are now null and void. We advise you not to finalize this transaction with the seller. As stated in the eBay User Agreement, neither seller nor buyer should engage in transactions that violate the law or eBay policy.
Please review eBay's Prohibited and Restricted Items guidelines and User Agreement at the following locations:


Furthermore, because of the varied international laws related to the sale of these items, those that are permitted may only be sold on eBay U.S under the following two conditions.

The item is sold by sellers who are located in United States and
The item location is also in the United States.Note: US sellers must offer only domestic shipping on these products, since offering global shipping will make the product available in countries where these items are prohibited.
Weapons listed on eBay U.S. must comply with the California Penal Code covering the sale of weapons. Otherwise, these items are not permitted on eBay.

************************************************** *******

Oh, and by the way, Pay Pal was purchased by eBay a year or two ago.

Tom Myers

[Buckshot]

...............I think they must have people cruising the gunparts listings or something. I bought a complete Snider action off E-Bay a couple months ago. The listing was: Springfield Musket sight and breech. More recently I bought a 1893 Marlin bolt locking lug, hammer and ejector off E-Bay and the guy was in Canada.

Go figure.

....................Buckshot

[Buckshot]

Floodgate you say F-4's date you. Never had the chance to work with such a modern aircraft. My time in the Navy was spent with the F-8 Crusader. While on station one day an F-8 did a fly-by about 1000 yards off the port beam at flight deck level. At around 1.1 mach!! He then pulled his nose up, started dumping fuel out of his wing tips and corkscrewed up out of sight. That sight was etched into my memory and I still see it like it happened a half an hour ago.

Betcha THAT Naval Aviator spent some time in hack. I think we sold a bunch of Crusaders to France for use on the Foch. Since they only had the one carrier I guess it was easier to buy our carrier based fighters.

................Buckshot

[9.3X62AL]

Green Stamps.......awful tasting is right. I now have a Winchester Model 290 22 LR self-loader that Dad bought in the mid-1960's at the Green Stamp store in San Bernardino. Does anyone else remember those machines that dispensed Blue Chip Stamps, they resembled the rotary dial on a telephone?

The younger members are scratching their heads, "Rotary phone dial?" :-)

[NVcurmudgeon]

Allen, I misremember Blue Chip dispensers, but rotary dial phones are near and dear to my heart. When Fran and I got married, she had to accept my kitchen wall, white, genuine Western Electric, rotary dial, official Ozzie and Harriet model, phone. She promptly filled the house with electronic, portable, phones made in places where we don't want to be involved in land wars. (Whenever we have a power failure, or the modern miracles have been left off their chargers, "East is Red" phones won't work. I then gloatingly point out that 1940's technology works every day.) Long about 1992, one of Jaremy's nine year-old friends needed to phone his mother. I showed him to the kitchen phone, and then had to show hm how to use it! The poor little kid was being raised by barbarians and didn't know how to dial. Today that dial phone is banished to my shop. If a friend from out of town phones me, I switch to Old Reliable and enjoy a long conversation without dead battery interruptions.

[flhroy]

Buckshot dont know if he was supposed to break the sound barrier but he was anounced. 'Stand by for a Crusader low altitude high speed fly by - port beam'. I still get a woodie thinking about that. You're right about the French flying Crusdaders. They had them in active duty untill sometime in the 90's. They had a big to do when they were removed from active duty. They invited all the Crusader drivers from the US Navy and Marine Corps to attened if they could. The Crusader was trully an amazing aircraft.

[Scrounger]

Didn't we convert a bunch of F8s into A7s (bombers)? Seems to me there was one ex-fighter that became a bomber...

[chuebner]

[QUOTE they resembled the rotary dial on a telephone?

The younger members are scratching their heads, "Rotary phone dial?" :-)[/QUOTE]

My Mom, (84yrs. young), still uses a rotary dial princess style phone hung in the phone alcove of her hallway. Never mind the three 2.4gHz cordless portables scattered around the house. Anyone else remember phone alcoves or phone stands?

Charlie

[flhroy]

Scrounger, Though similar in appearance the A-7 was a totally different airframe. In its own right the A-7 also was an amazing aircraft. Now the F-8 had the capability to hang bombs under the wings and was in fact was a very good bomb platform. So i guess it could be called a fighter/bomber but it was designed primarily to be a fighter. I know its a lot like which is better Ford or Chevy. The way i heard it, an F-8 pilot in an F-8 would win over an F-4 pilot in an F-4. BUT an F-8 pilot who crossed over to an F-4 would win over an F-8 pilot in an F-8. Pilots who made the cross over say the difference between the two fighters is like the difference between a Porsche and a Corvette. Manuverability to raw horsepower.
Thats my story and I'm sticking to it. And its based on the opinions of others who I respected but still just opinions.

[wills]

My Mom, (84yrs. young), still uses a rotary dial princess style phone hung in the phone alcove of her hallway. Never mind the three 2.4gHz cordless portables scattered around the house. Anyone else remember phone alcoves or phone stands?

Charlie
Wish you could still get rotary dial phones.

[Scrounger]

Wish you could still get rotary dial phones.

You can: http://www.customphones.com/productCat40684.ctlg

http://www.payphoneoutlet.com/19clstitrodi.html

http://www.evaluezone.com/classicnoveltyphones.html

[mike in co]

GENTLEMEN,

THERE IS NO GRAY AREA IN THE ARENA OF PRO/ANTI-GUN.

IF YOU PARTICIPATE IN EBAY OR PAYPAL TRANSACTIONS YOUR ARE(SILENTLY)
SUPPORTING THE ANTI-GUN MOVEMENT.

AS NICE AS EBAY CAN BE AT TIMES THEY ARE ANTI-GUN. PERIOD. THIER DECISION TO SPACE THEMSELVES FROM POTENTIAL LEAGAL ISSUES IS JUST ANOTHER WIMPY WAY OF SAYING WE DO NOT SUPPORT YOUR RIGHT TO BARE ARMS.

SUPPORT YOUR RIGHTS OR KISS THEM AWAY!
FIND OTHER SITES TO DO YOUR BIZ ON/WITH.

(i quit doing biz with paypal as soon as i read thier agreement. it took me longer to part with ebay, but i did and i'm glad.......just do it!)

[redneckdan]

I'm done, I'm closing my ebay and paypal tonight.

[waksupi]

My Mom, (84yrs. young), still uses a rotary dial princess style phone hung in the phone alcove of her hallway. Never mind the three 2.4gHz cordless portables scattered around the house. Anyone else remember phone alcoves or phone stands?

Charlie

Charlie, I remember the hand crank phone on the wall when I was a kid. You had to call the operator for any long distance calls. Local calls were by ring series. I believe we were two long, and two short. And our number was Normandy 44410.

[rebliss]

I could probably get some auction software similar to this:
http://www.ajsquare.com/products/ajauction/demo/

It's an Ebay type clone software... Pretty straight forward...

You can log-in Username: Demo Password: demo

It would be nice to have a place to auction stuff we reloaders/casters have a use for. It is unfortunate that eBay operates the way it does. Often, people scrounging estate sales are the ones listing various 'tools of the trade' for sale, so they put them on eBay. Those are the ones who aren't likely to know about a site as specialized as this one, so we'd likely not see those things placed on our site anyway.

Since we ARE so specialized, it would likely just be the board members here selling to each other. It would take a lot of capital to get it well-known throughout the pro 2A folks.

Incidentally, PayPal sometimes lets sellers collect payments for gun-related stuff (that's how they get paid) but it's the buyer who gets his/her account frozen. That doesn't seem very fair.

The F-4 sure was a beautiful warhorse. I've got two tattoos, and one is the mascot for the aircraft--the "Phantom."

[jhalcott]

ours was (S)parrows (P)oint 754J and it was a "PARTY" line. Us kids would tell lies about one another because you KNEW some body's mom was listening in!

[Buckshot]

.............I'm 53 and when I was a kid our phone was on a party line, and this was a suburban area. I don't recall when they became private Our number was Triangle (something) 4289.

My grandmother grew up on a farm in Missouri. Closest town was Tightwad. They were fairly well to do farmers. Great grandpa had an electrical plant with a gasoline generator, wind generator and a shed with battery bank. They bought their first car, brand new in 1916. I asked grandma if it was used. Being a kid, I figured all farmers were poor after listening to my dad :-).

Grandma said, "Why no honey it was a new car. There weren't any used cars in those days".

Anyway the phone company ran a line across their property and they got free phone service if they allowed the company to put in a small switchboard and someone in the family would tend to it. Grandma said the wire came into the kitchen and ran around 3 walls then down to the switchboard which she said hung on the wall between the kitchen and parlor, and wasn't any big deal.

When it buzzed she said whoever was closest would answer and then patch the caller through to who they wanted. She said one late Saturday afternoon it was raining and thundering. She and a couple sisters were sitting in the kitchen and a lightening bolt must have hit the wires. She said blue flame just flew off the wire and was also rolling across the ceiling like big blue snakes.

I asked her is she was afraid and she said no they weren't really scared because they weren't for sure what was happening. She said they were more entranced then anything else. I asked her if it fried the switchboard but she said she didn't remember anything about that.

................Buckshot

[454PB]

34 years ago I was a power dispatcher. I sat in a control room with supervisory control of all the high voltage power lines within a 100 mile radius of Billings, Montana. In those days, we used what we called a "ringdown", which was two iron wires hung below the transmission lines and routed into the control room. A lineman could use a handset while hanging on a pole and talk to me as lines were sectionalized for faults. It was also used to talk to remote hydroelectric power plants. During lightning storms (which is the time you need communication the most in the electric power industry), I learned to hold the phone several inches from my head. A lightning shot on the lines would literally ring your bell. There were protective fuses on these lines that had to be changed after every lightning storm, but 100 million volts of lightning still does a job before the fuses blow.

[LAH]

Our number was 1408. We answer to 1 long & 1 short........Creeker