460-425RFGC Group Buy is Here.

[SciFiJim]

460-425RFGCGroup Buy is Now Open.


Enough people have expressed an interest in the Ranch Dog #3 Poll to run this.

This Group Buy is for a 460-425gr Gas Checked Round Flat Nosed boolit that is a lube groove copy of the Ranch Dog TLC 460-425 RF bullet designed for the 45-70 Govt. & 450 Marlin rifles. The molds will be produced by Night Owl Enterprises (NOE) in their standard 1-5 cavity molds AND the RG Hollow Point molds.

The 460-425RFGC Group Buy will close on January 10th 2010. It will run longer than normal to get past Christmas. If we don’t have 15 orders by then, the close date will be extended until we do.

Flat Nosed Boolit

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=170&pictureid=1407


Hollow Pointed Boolit

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=170&pictureid=1408


Moulds will be machined from 2024 Aluminum
Used for high strength structural and aircraft applications.
Tensile strength range 30,000 to 63,000 psi
Sprue plate (blued), alignment pins, and hardware will be
carbon steel.



The cost will be as follows:

Standard Molds
Single cavity mould $68.00 Ea.
Double cavity mould $72.00 Ea.
Three cavity mould $79.00 Ea.
Four cavity mould $85.00 Ea.
Five cavity mould $92.00 Ea.
Hollow pointing one cavity and furnishing a double ended pin would be $35.00 extra.
If you want to fashion different HP profiles, an extra blank pin would be $1.50

RG Molds
Two cavity RG2 HP mould $96.00 Ea.
Includes one set of hollow point pins
and one set of flat nose pins.
If you want to fashion different HP profiles for the RG2 an extra blank pin set of two (2) would be $4.

Four cavity RG4 HP mould $126.00 Ea.
Includes one set of hollow point pins
and one set of flat nose pins.
If you want to fashion different HP profiles for the RG4 an extra blank pin set of four (4) would be $8.

Shipping and handling will be $10 per order and shipped priority mail. If you live outside the United States contact me, and I will work with you.



Lead time is 4-5 weeks after Group Buy closes. Tooling will be ordered once we get to 15 paid orders so don’t delay.

Instructions for using the Group Buy order system page are HERE (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=56550).

Use the Group Buy order system HERE (http://www.groupbuys.dnsalias.com/login.asp) to place your order. Use the link provided or use the link at the bottom of the page. Print two copies of the order sheet and mail both to me with your payment. Once we are ready to go, I will place the order with NOE. The molds will be shipped to me and I will distribute them. I will accept bank check, money order or PayPal + $4.50. If using PayPal contact me first.

We can get gas checked and non gas checked cavities cut in the same mould. Specify on the order sheet what your preference is.

The mold is machined to use LEE Commercial 6-Cavity handles (not included).
A Lyman, RCBS type top punch is furnished with each mould as well as a sample of Bull Plate sprue plate lube.

Visitors from other forums are welcome to participate in this group buy.
Email me at scifijim - at - gmail.com
Do the normal voodoo with the address to make it work, I don't want spambots to skim for my address.

Please leave a post here or PM me when you order and I will add you to the list.

I will post a running list of confirmed orders with username and options and a list of zip codes that payments have been received from in the next post.
Thanks
Jim

[SciFiJim]

edit 1/25/10

This post is getting very close to being too old to edit. I will start posting the Orders and Payments at the end of the thread.

Orders
1. Bob J - RG4
2. rob45 - 2 cavity
3. 15bobcat - RG2
4. 6pt-sika - 5 cavity
5. 6pt-sika - RG4
6. rayzer - RG2
7. phishroy - RG2
8. lmcollins - 2 cavity
9. drobinson - 4 cavity (2 GC & 2 plain base)
10. pack3480 - 4 cavity
11. X-man - 4 cavity (2 GC & 2 plain base)
12. timbuck - RG4
13. joel0407 - RG2
14. SciFiJim - 4 cavity (2 GC & 2 plain base)
15. Rickk - RG4 (2 GC & 2 plain base)
16. Blake Stephenson - 4 cavity
17. JSimpson65 - 2 cavity
18. partsman - RG2
19. Barnowl - RG2
20. Ron.D - 4 cavity (3 PB & 1 GC)
21. DaveD - RG2
22. Victor - RG2
23. MANINBLACK - 5 cavity
24. whapmaster - RG2
25. Missoulaz28 - 2 cavity (all plain base)
26. mold maker - RG4

Zip Codes of paid orders
02171
12586
22960 x2
N6E3V3
L4C0E7
44035
29063
98328
A0A4J0
2913 Australia
99588
77396
93553
L9S2B6
85205
77625
28613
47711
77340
06450
89143

[rob45]

Put me down for a double cavity (2C) gas check.

[Bob J]

In for a 5 cavity GC.... PM sent!

[bearcove]

I want a two cavity, ! GC 1PB

Thanks, Rod

[SciFiJim]

I put up a group buy for both weights. Since they don't close until January, my hope is that those that want both will have time to get both.
Thanks
Jim

[SciFiJim]

I posted today's orders in post #2.

[6pt-sika]

Put me in for a 5 cavity gas check mold and a "RG4" gas check mold please !

[15bobcat]

I'm in for an RG2 HP Gas Check type. Combined money order mailed out today.

Thanks,
-Harold

[rayzer]

Put me down for an RG2 .460-425RF with gaschecks. I will mail the money off to you tomorrow Jim.

[SciFiJim]

rayzer - added you to the list.
Thanks
Jim

[joel0407]

I think this Group Buy will take off closer to the closing date.

[SciFiJim]

There are eight orders already with tow months to go. We are doing pretty good already. I think you are right though. After Christmas more people will be interested.

[bearcove]

Yep, Right when the christmas credit card bills hit.

[phishroy]

ok, put me down for a RG2 HP gas checked. money will be on the way by this coming weekend.

[Rickk]

Any idea what the weight of the HP would be?

[SciFiJim]

About 385gr. according to the second drawing.

[Rickk]

Oh, I see it now. Thanks.

[drobinson]

Please put me down for a 4 cavity. two gc, two plain base.
Thanks

[SciFiJim]

drobinson - I added you to the list here as well.
Thanks
Jim

[pack3480]

4 cavity: 4GC, please.

Danke!

[SciFiJim]

pack3480 - I added you to the list.
Thanks
Jim

[X-man]

Okay Guys,

I'm in for a Four Cavity Mould. 2 Cavities - GC & 2 Cavities - PB

I'd like to try an RG4 HP as well, but immediately after Xmas will be a bad time to come up with disposal income to cover two moulds!:) Maybe down the road sometime.

[SciFiJim]

X-man - I added you to the list
Thanks
Jim

[Rickk]

I would like an RG 4 mold.
2 cavities gas check
2 cavities non-checked

Invoice printed and check will be mailed tomorrow.
Thanks

[SciFiJim]

Rickk - I added you to the list.
Thank You
Jim

[Blake Stephenson]

I am in for a 4 cavity GC mold.

Blake

[SciFiJim]

Blake,
I added you to the list.
Thanks
Jim

[6pt-sika]

Okay we have plenty commitments now for this to go on schedule !

So how about getting the funds in as well and this thing can go off without a hitch !

[JSimpson65]

Order placed for a 2 cavity, and funds will be sent on Monday morning.

Thanks!

[partsman]

ok i think it worked i want a i want a rg2 hp 460425 rfgc 2 cav hp mold

how do i pay

[SciFiJim]

partsman - I added you to the list. PM sent on how to pay.

[Barnowl]

Jim,
Payment sent today.

Kevin

[Ron.D]

I'd like a 4 cav., 3 PB and 1 GC. Money order is on the way. Ron.D

[SciFiJim]

Ron - I added you to the list.
Thanks
Jim

[bearcove]

Hey Jim check my post on 432-300 same applies here.

Thanks Rod

[SciFiJim]

There has been some discussion about the timing of the close dates of the group buys that I have running. I posted the following in one of the other group buys and felt it pertained to all of them, so I am posting it here as well.

To Everyone else about close dates. When I open a group buy I set a close date 2 months after opening. This allows everyone interested to take a look at it and decide if it is something that they want to participate in. In the case of the 460 molds I set a date a week and a half after New Years to give people time to figure out how Christmas went.

Shooting, Casting and Reloading is a hobby. It is something that should be accomplished with extra funds that may be available. If you are taking money from your family's needs to do this, then you need to reassess your priorities. We joke about casting as an addiction, but if you need help, please get it.

Close dates are set so as to give some expectation of when to expect movement. Group buys are not placed on the manufacturing schedule until received by NOE with the funds to pay for them. There are expenses that are incurred before manufacturing starts (such as ordering the tooling). Unless the minimum number of molds is met it is not financially feasible to start the process on a mold.

There has been some discussion about getting in on a group buy between the close date and the production date. That policy still has to be determined. Something to keep in mind though. If a group buy doesn't close it doesn't get on the schedule. This group buy is THE perfect example. More than the minimum number of people expressed an interest in it before I opened it. However, things happen and only 6 of the molds ordered have been paid for so far. The order will NOT get placed with NOE until at least 15 have been paid for.

If someone thinks that I am getting free use of the money until the order is placed with NOE they are mistaken. The funds are sitting in my safe, not in my bank account. I normally don't deposit the checks or money orders until about a week before I place the order with NOE.

If someone that has ordered and paid for a mold in a group buy that I have not sent to NOE would like their money back, I will cheerfully return it. I have done so in the past and I am willing to do so again. If you have ordered a mold and not paid but need to cancel, that is fine as well. I would appreciate it if you would make a serious commitment to buy when you order. However, as in phaessler's case, unexpected stuff happens and your responsibility to your family comes first.

Also, PLEASE, name calling about this is unnecessary. We all do this for enjoyment. If someone has a problem with anything that I have done or said, please PM me and we will discuss it. I am always open to listening to good ideas, some I will even use.

Thanks for sharing in a hobby that I have grown to love in this last year.
Pour a hot one!
Jim

p.s. I will be copying and pasting this into my other group buys as well.

[SciFiJim]

I will be leaving in the morning to visit the inlaws for a few days. Since they don't feel the need to have internet access I will be out of touch until I get home on New Years eve. I will answer PMs and questions then. My mail is being held at the PO, so any payments sent will be safe. Have a Happy New Year everyone.

[drobinson]

payment sent

[joel0407]

3 more payments and we can get this one on the production list.

Right?

[6pt-sika]

3 more payments and we can get this one on the production list.

Right?

Uhhh not exactly !

He has to run it until the cutoff date as stated in the first post and then give folks a few days more to get funds to him in case they signed up late !

This thing is scheduled for 1/10/10 so I would "assume" best case scenario for sending the funds and order to NOE would most likely be 1/20-31/10 .

[Tazman1602]

I'm working on money for this one and the dang 350 grainer mold no matter how long it takes.

YOU GUYS ARE KILLING ME. God I love these custom molds that are JUST what I have been DREAMING about. OK so I'm getting old. I dream about bullet molds and not about breasts.

Art

[6pt-sika]

OK so I'm getting old. I dream about bullet molds and not about breasts.

Art

I ain't young and my dreams have either , heck sometimes both hahahaahahaha !

Well I suppose 48 isn't young :groner:

[joel0407]

Uhhh not exactly !

He has to run it until the cutoff date as stated in the first post and then give folks a few days more to get funds to him in case they signed up late !

This thing is scheduled for 1/10/10 so I would "assume" best case scenario for sending the funds and order to NOE would most likely be 1/20-31/10 .

Yes the group buy will stay open but it states that after 15 paid buyers the tooling will be ordered.

[SciFiJim]

Scheduling for production takes place after the order is placed. From a previous conversation with SwedeNelson, I think that tooling comes in within a few weeks of ordering. Therefore the tooling is ready when the shop is.

[SciFiJim]

New orders have be added to the list.

Victor, PM or email me please.

[Missoulaz28]

I'll take a two cavity PB, payment to be sent shortly.

[SciFiJim]

Missoulaz - I added you to the list.
Thanks
Jim

[timbuck]

The check is in the mail, and, shameless bump to the top.

[phishroy]

any update as to when the machining will start?

[SciFiJim]

timbuck - I will PM you when it arrives.

phishroy - According to the latest schedule that SwedeNelson posted, this group buy should probably be manufactured in June (if everything goes OK between not and then). I know that SwedeNelson is looking for ways to increase productivity, but is unwilling to trade quality for speed.

[SciFiJim]

I am going to go ahead and put closed on this one. Please get your payments in so that I can get it on the schedule for manufacturing.

[6pt-sika]

Works for me [smilie=s:

[Tazman1602]

I know that SwedeNelson is looking for ways to increase productivity, but is unwilling to trade quality for speed.

No kidding Jim, don't do that. I'm in on another group buy and just haven't been able to cough the money for these two 460 molds, blasted truck broke and nothing five bills wouldn't cure but the one I"m in on I'd just as soon wait a year for as to have it come through crappy.

Thanks for honcho'ing these group buys and hopefully will be able to get in on some more.

Art

[SciFiJim]

Art,
I had a discussion with Al about the lead times on getting these produced. Even though the group buy is closed so that I can get it to NOE, don't rule out getting one. I will be running a supplemental group buy as the production date gets close. Keep an eye on the GB forums.

[WHITETAIL]

Jim, Thanks for the updates.
I will place an order if the 460
reopens.:Fire:

[Tazman1602]

Thanks Jim I will keep an eye on things. I'm just starting to realize what the words "quality mold" means. I made a post HERE (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?p=781689#post781689)about that. Amazing the difference between current production commercial molds and what was made 35 years ago, I had NO idea until I got this most recent mold and am HAPPY to wait for a custom mold.

Going back to work soon (woo-hoo!!) so money should loosen up a bit........it that dang truck doesn't break again..........

Art

[SciFiJim]

Orders
1. Bob J - RG4
2. rob45 - 2 cavity
3. 15bobcat - RG2
4. 6pt-sika - 5 cavity
5. 6pt-sika - RG4
6. rayzer - RG2
7. phishroy - RG2
8. lmcollins - 2 cavity
9. drobinson - 4 cavity (2 GC & 2 plain base)
10. pack3480 - 4 cavity
11. X-man - 4 cavity (2 GC & 2 plain base)
12. timbuck - RG4
13. joel0407 - RG2
14. SciFiJim - 4 cavity (2 GC & 2 plain base)
15. Rickk - RG4 (2 GC & 2 plain base)
16. Blake Stephenson - 4 cavity
17. JSimpson65 - 2 cavity
18. partsman - RG2
19. Barnowl - RG2
20. Ron.D - 4 cavity (3 PB & 1 GC)
21. DaveD - RG2
22. Victor - RG2
23. MANINBLACK - 5 cavity
24. whapmaster - RG2
25. Missoulaz28 - 2 cavity (all plain base)
26. mold maker - RG4
27. 7.62Man - RG2
28. Ltdshooter - RG2



Zip Codes of paid orders
02171
47711
12586
22960 x 2
N6E3V3
L4C0E7
44035
29063
98328
A0A4J0
53132
2913 Australia
99588
89143
77396
93553
L9S2B6
85205
77625
06450
77340
28613
P7G1M3

[Missoulaz28]

My money should be there soon, please change mine to all GC also.
thanks

[joel0407]

I noticed it's not listed on mine but can you add GC for both cavities.

[6pt-sika]

I noticed it's not listed on mine but can you add GC for both cavities.

I think unless he puts PB it's pretty much assumed you are getting GC !

Everything I order has GC's and I've never seen Jim list a GC unless you want som many cavities GC vs PB .

[timbuck]

This Group Buy is for a 460-425gr Gas Checked Round Flat Nosed boolit .
From the first post.

[joel0407]

How long are we looking to production now?

Not rushing just need to work out how many bullets I will need to cast before this mould arrives. I dont have a lot of moulds.

[SciFiJim]

timbuck is right. This is a gas checked boolit unless you specify otherwise.

The last schedule that SwedeNelson posted has this group buy being produced in July.

[SciFiJim]

Orders
1. Bob J - RG4
2. rob45 - 2 cavity
3. 15bobcat - RG2
4. 6pt-sika - 5 cavity
5. 6pt-sika - RG4
6. rayzer - RG2
7. phishroy - RG2
8. lmcollins - 2 cavity
9. drobinson - 4 cavity (2 GC & 2 plain base)
10. pack3480 - 4 cavity
11. X-man - 4 cavity (2 GC & 2 plain base)
12. timbuck - RG4
13. joel0407 - RG2
14. SciFiJim - 4 cavity (2 GC & 2 plain base)
15. Rickk - RG4 (2 GC & 2 plain base)
16. Blake Stephenson - 4 cavity
17. JSimpson65 - 2 cavity
18. partsman - RG2
19. Barnowl - RG2 (1 GC & 1 plain base)
20. Ron.D - 4 cavity (3 PB & 1 GC)
21. DaveD - RG2
22. Victor - RG2
23. MANINBLACK - 5 cavity
24. whapmaster - RG2
25. Missoulaz28 - 2 cavity (all plain base)
26. mold maker - RG4
27. 7.62Man - RG2
28. Ltdshooter - RG2


Zip Codes of paid orders
02171
47711
12586
22960 x2
N6E3V3
L4C0E7
44035
29063
98328
A0A4J0
53132
2913 Australia
99588
89143
77396
93553
L9S2B6
85205
77625
06450
77340
59801
28613
P7G1M3
48462

[Okie2]

I'm trying to get in on this one...2 cav HP...by paypal...pm sent to scifi. Scott

[Okie2]

I'm in....RG 2. Money sent by PayPal. Thanks, for letting me in! Scott

[SciFiJim]

Scott, Money received by PayPal. I will add you to the list.
Thanks,
Jim

[SciFiJim]

Orders
1. Bob J - RG4
2. rob45 - 2 cavity
3. 15bobcat - RG2
4. 6pt-sika - 5 cavity
5. 6pt-sika - RG4
6. rayzer - RG2
7. phishroy - RG2
8. lmcollins - 2 cavity
9. drobinson - 4 cavity (2 GC & 2 plain base)
10. pack3480 - 4 cavity
11. X-man - 4 cavity (2 GC & 2 plain base)
12. timbuck - RG4
13. joel0407 - RG2
14. SciFiJim - 4 cavity (2 GC & 2 plain base)
15. Rickk - RG4 (2 GC & 2 plain base)
16. Blake Stephenson - 4 cavity
17. JSimpson65 - 2 cavity
18. partsman - RG2
19. Barnowl - RG2 (1 GC & 1 plain base)
20. Ron.D - 4 cavity (3 PB & 1 GC)
21. DaveD - RG2
22. Victor - RG2
23. MANINBLACK - 5 cavity
24. whapmaster - RG2
25. Missoulaz28 - 2 cavity (all plain base)
26. mold maker - RG4
27. 7.62Man - RG2
28. Ltdshooter - RG2
Supplemental Orders
29. Okie2 RG2



Zip Codes of paid orders
02171
47711
12586
22960 x2
N6E3V3
L4C0E7
44035
29063
98328
A0A4J0
53132
2913 Australia
99588
89143
77396
93553
L9S2B6
85205
77625
06450
77340
59801
28613
P7G1M3
48462
Supplemental Payments
74954

[SciFiJim]

An so it continues. After speaking with SwedeNelson about taking orders until close to manufacturing date, I will continue to take orders on this group buy. It is scheduled for manufacture in July. So, If you are interested, contact me and I will add you to the list of orders.
I had planned on running a formal supplemental group buy for the last six weeks (and may still do do). If so, I will close this thread and open a new one with the existing orders.

[SciFiJim]

Orders
1. Bob J - RG4
2. rob45 - 2 cavity
3. 15bobcat - RG2
4. 6pt-sika - 5 cavity
5. 6pt-sika - RG4
6. rayzer - RG2
7. phishroy - RG2
8. lmcollins - 2 cavity
9. drobinson - 4 cavity (2 GC & 2 plain base)
10. pack3480 - 4 cavity
11. X-man - 4 cavity (2 GC & 2 plain base)
12. timbuck - RG4
13. joel0407 - RG2
14. SciFiJim - 4 cavity (2 GC & 2 plain base)
15. Rickk - RG4 (2 GC & 2 plain base)
16. Blake Stephenson - 4 cavity
17. JSimpson65 - 2 cavity
18. partsman - RG2
19. Barnowl - RG2 (1 GC & 1 plain base)
20. Ron.D - 4 cavity (3 PB & 1 GC)
21. DaveD - RG2
22. Victor - RG2
23. MANINBLACK - 5 cavity
24. whapmaster - RG2
25. Missoulaz28 - 2 cavity (all plain base)
26. mold maker - RG4
27. 7.62Man - RG2
28. Ltdshooter - RG2
Supplemental Orders
29. Okie2 - RG2
30. Whitetale - RG2 (1 GC & 1 plain base)



Zip Codes of paid orders
02171
47711
12586
22960 x2
N6E3V3
L4C0E7
44035
29063
98328
A0A4J0
53132
2913 Australia
99588
89143
77396
93553
L9S2B6
85205
77625
06450
77340
59801
28613
P7G1M3
48462
Supplemental Payments
74954

[joecool911]

My 45-70 is an older microgroove marlin. The slot that the spent cases are ejected from is shorter or narrower in the front that new guns. The nose of the Cast Performance 405's hit the front of the slot when being ejected (unfired) and hang up when you eject the unfired round.

I am wondering if these will do the same? Guess I will do some measuring and see what the nose and crimp groove dimensions look like before ordering one of these.

Edit- Wow no wonder... the meplat measures .372 vs .331 on this mold and the length from nose to crimp groove measures .455 vs .395 on this mold. Considering that I can eject the rounds if a crank them out fast, I am sure that they will cycle just fine.

Please put me down for one of these too!!!!

[SciFiJim]

Orders
1. Bob J - RG4
2. rob45 - 2 cavity
3. 15bobcat - RG2
4. 6pt-sika - 5 cavity
5. 6pt-sika - RG4
6. rayzer - RG2
7. phishroy - RG2
8. lmcollins - 2 cavity
9. drobinson - 4 cavity (2 GC & 2 plain base)
10. pack3480 - 4 cavity
11. X-man - 4 cavity (2 GC & 2 plain base)
12. timbuck - RG4
13. joel0407 - RG2
14. SciFiJim - 4 cavity (2 GC & 2 plain base)
15. Rickk - RG4 (2 GC & 2 plain base)
16. Blake Stephenson - 4 cavity
17. JSimpson65 - 2 cavity
18. partsman - RG2
19. Barnowl - RG2 (1 GC & 1 plain base)
20. Ron.D - 4 cavity (3 PB & 1 GC)
21. DaveD - RG2
22. Victor - RG2
23. MANINBLACK - 5 cavity
24. whapmaster - RG2
25. Missoulaz28 - 2 cavity (all plain base)
26. mold maker - RG4
27. 7.62Man - RG2
28. Ltdshooter - RG2
Supplemental Orders
29. Okie2 - RG2
30. Whitetale - RG2 (1 GC & 1 plain base)
31. joecool911 - 2 cavity



Zip Codes of paid orders
02171
47711
12586
22960 x2
N6E3V3
L4C0E7
44035
29063
98328
A0A4J0
53132
2913 Australia
99588
89143
77396
93553
L9S2B6
85205
77625
06450
77340
59801
28613
P7G1M3
48462
Supplemental Payments
74954
18519

[joecool911]

Any chance that you will be putting out a big brother to this mold? 500 grains?

[SciFiJim]

SwedeNelson is running a group buy for 500gr 460s here.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=69462

[joecool911]

SwedeNelson is running a group buy for 500gr 460s here.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=69462

I know, but they are designed for black powder. Big and few lube grooves.

[SciFiJim]

Joe, I don't have a plan to run a 500gr 460 boolit right now. Perhaps after Swede's group buy is done.
Thanks,
Jim

[Old Goat Keeper]

Is this GB still open? I'd like to get in on this.

Tom the new guy

[SciFiJim]

Tom,
It's still open. The first post describes what is available. What would you like?
Thanks,
Jim