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AJ Peacock
10-27-2009, 06:00 PM
The progress has been slow, but I'm getting close.

The 338 Edge (300 Rem Ultra Mag) is the rifle that pushed me over the edge to start casting my own boolits. Over the last month or so, I've cast for the .357mag and my pistols like the ammo I've created for them. The 338 Edge is an entirely different beast. My 'normal' (pre-cast) load is 92gr of H-1000 behind a 300gr Sierra Match King J-word at around 2750fps.

The mold I'm starting with is the 220gr Lee .338 boolit. I cast up a pile of them out of WW + 1% Tin and sorted them down by weight and diameter. I culled about 40% out and ended up with 50 or so boolits. I seated the GC's and sized them to .339. I then heat treated them at 420F for 1 hour and quenched them in ice water. I'm aiming at a hardness around 18 BHN. I then lubed them with Carnuba Red.

Now, what load to use? I spent several hours running simulations with Quickload and finally decided on Varget as my starting powder. By using 64gr of Varget, I expect the velocity to be just shy of 2500fps. Quickload estimats 28.8kpsi pressure. I'm hoping that the boolits will be hard enough to withstand the 1-10" barrel, only one way to find out.

Here are some pics of the first cast loads and a few of the sized boolits. The 300gr SMK is in the picture for comparison. I've marked the brass on the left with the depth the boolit sits, as well as the fill depth of the powder.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u193/AJPeacock_photos/Boolit%20Casting/EdgeCastreloads.jpg

The rifle is a known performer, shooting the Matchkings consistently into 1" or less at 100yds and 5" or less at 800yds ! Here are a couple groups I've shot with the rifle and the J-words. The first is a picture of the first 3 shot group I shot from this barrel during breakin.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u193/AJPeacock_photos/Rifles/338EdgeGroup.jpg

Here is a group I shot a few weeks later after I tweaked the seating depth on the load. These groups are typical of the groups I get with this rifle and J-words.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u193/AJPeacock_photos/Rifles/338EdgeGroup9-24-08.jpg

I'm anxious to see if the accuracy will continue with the Cast boolits. I've cleaned the barrel and am now just waiting for the bullets to finish 'hardening', so I'll be able to see if all my homework has paid off.

Here's a picture of the rifle, It's based on a Savage short action, 28"Pacnor barrel, 3.5x15x50 Nightforce NXS scope with the NP-R1 reticle. The stock is a Laminate that was built by Joel Russo, it's based on the tactical A5 style stock.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u193/AJPeacock_photos/Rifles/338EdgeSavage.jpg

Hopefully the next groups I post will be respectable. I'll post them regardless :Fire:

AJ

rugerman1
10-27-2009, 06:06 PM
Cool project ya got there,Don

Hardcast416taylor
10-27-2009, 07:48 PM
Don, And to think we are having coffee in the morning. Now what are we going to talk about???:confused:Robert

Glen
10-27-2009, 09:49 PM
What twist does your barrel have? If it's the standard 1 in 10" then you will probably be limited to about 1600 fps for best accuracy.

AJ Peacock
10-27-2009, 10:34 PM
What twist does your barrel have? If it's the standard 1 in 10" then you will probably be limited to about 1600 fps for best accuracy.

Yes, as I said it is a 1-10" twist and that is my biggest concern. Time will tell.

AJ

AJ Peacock
11-11-2009, 05:23 PM
Recap: WW+1%Tin, heat treated 420F for 1hour, ice water quenched. Sized to .339" and aged 2 weeks. Carnuba red lube and GC. 338Edge (300Rem Ultra Mag necked up to 338, Savage w/ 28" Pacnor barrel).

Well, I let the boolits age for 2 weeks and shot 2 different loads today, even though it was a bit breezier than I would like.

The first load was a high velocity load and I fully expected it to have too much velocity and all kinds of bad stuff to happen at the berm :shock:.

After several hours simulating loads with Quickload, I settled on 64gr of Varget. Here is the target (100yds). The velocity averaged 2489fps, ES 120fps and a Stdev of 41fps. Not especially good ;). I'm sure I was pushing them a bit hard, considering that the sizing was not quiet .001" oversized (more like .0007"). Several of the shots were actually click...Bang, so the 65% fill is NOT enough for this powder. Primer = CCI250's. Group size is a whopping 9" at 100yds.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u193/AJPeacock_photos/random-forum-stuff/338Edge-220Lee-64grVarget.jpg

The second load was using a pistol powder VV - N320. I selected 25gr's with the CCI-250 primers. This load worked a lot better than the Hi-vel load. It's Average was 1805 with Stdev of 9.8fps and a Extreme spread of 21fps (9 rounds). Group size is a more respectable 5.75", which is only about 5" larger than I'm used to shooting with this rifle and J-words. The velocities were much more consistent than the higher velocity rounds. I didn't adjust at all for the switching winds and feel that some of the group size can be atributed to that. I'll try just a little lighter load and expect it to be a fun load to play with.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u193/AJPeacock_photos/random-forum-stuff/338Edge-220Lee-25grVVN320.jpg

I will continue working with this rifle. Not a bad start for my first ever Cast rifle effort. Quickload estimated the VV - N320 load to reach 1857fps, it fell just short of the estimate. I expect dropping the load back a hundred feet/sec will improve my results. I'll keep you all informed. I'm going to load some with 23gr's and see how that changes the results. Quickload estimates a drop of 80fps, we'll see what actually happens.

:castmine:

What do you all think?

AJ

Hardcast416taylor
11-11-2009, 11:23 PM
Still and all, not to shabby a start with your powder eating monster. Has the possibility of using some dacron type of filler crossed the possibilities planning sheet yet for a small charge to hold it in place? Glad to see you this a.m. for breakfast. Robert;-)

AJ Peacock
11-12-2009, 12:34 AM
Still and all, not to shabby a start with your powder eating monster. Has the possibility of using some dacron type of filler crossed the possibilities planning sheet yet for a small charge to hold it in place? Glad to see you this a.m. for breakfast. Robert;-)

Bob,

I did think about that, but with such good velocity consistency, I'll probably wait on that. The velocities I got with the load were 1805, 1806, 1815, 1794, 1799, 1807, 1794, 1805, 1825. Which is pretty darn good for a light load with no filler. But I will still have the option of filler in my back pocket if I need it.

Thanks,
AJ

AJ Peacock
11-12-2009, 07:57 PM
I cleaned the barrel last night and found ZERO lead! I guess that's good :kidding:

Well I reloaded 22,21,20 and 19 gr of VV-N320 last night. I shot them today and am getting more and more optimistic with the results. Had a dead battery on the Chrono, so didn't get any velocity results.

I shot 6 rounds at 22gr, as I needed to foul the barrel. I shot 5 shot groups at the other loadings. The 20gr loading looks pretty promising, as the 4th shot opened the group to 3/4" and the 5th put it over an inch. All targets were shot at 100yds from a bench (bipods and rear bag).

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u193/AJPeacock_photos/random-forum-stuff/338Edge-22gr-VVn320.jpg

Adjusted the scope to get the group on the bull for the remainder of the tests.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u193/AJPeacock_photos/random-forum-stuff/338Edge-21gr-VVn320.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u193/AJPeacock_photos/random-forum-stuff/338Edge-20gr-VVn320.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u193/AJPeacock_photos/random-forum-stuff/338Edge-19gr-VVn320.jpg

I need to cast some more of the 338's. I'll make a big batch and heat treat/lube them up, then I get to wait a couple weeks again [smilie=6:

AJ