30/30 problem

[Hammer47]

trying to use cast in a Marlin 30/30 and find that it has an extremely SHORT THROAT. Really do not want to have the bbl rethroated so what do you recommend in a bullet with the driving band way toward the nose of the bullet? I would like to be about the 180 grain bullet range. The problem with the bullets I now have is that I must seat so deeply that the bands are into the case and that makes accuracy impossible. Since I do not cast I must find a bullet that can be had commercially.

[Blammer]

Illionois Bullet Company has a 180gr 30 cal you may be interested in.

meyersmg@msn.com

tell him what you're looking for, he maybe able to help.

[barrabruce]

If you have the driving band towards the nose more then you will increase the diameter and therefore have to seat deeper.

I would be looking at slugging the chamber and take a few reading first to see what may fit.

The Marlin shooters may be able to help.
What country you in may help to as to supplies of suitable cast stuff

Barra
Know nuthin just a thought.

[Papa smurf]

Same trouble with my Marlin. Am using A Lee 170 Flat nose and seating it just a little bit deeper . Also have Lee's 150 but the nose is a little too large in diameter. I think you may want to try Lee molds a cheaper way to go. I have found 20.5 gr IMR 4198 and 10.2 gr Unique to be very good loads for me.
Good Shooting----------------------------------------Papa Smurf

[Rattlesnake Charlie]

I'm investigating the same problem.

Between my friend and I we have 3 single cavity C309-170-F molds. Additionally, I have a custom 6-cavity Lee on 311041 design, no gas check (on of recent group buys on this site).

These molds cast slightly different bullets.
Two of three of the Lee single cavity molds have a nose diameter of .298.
One has a nose diameter of .301.
The Lee custom has a nose diameter of .302.

My friend's Marlin does not like the large diameter bullet nose diameter. It will engrave anything .301 or larger. Another friend with three pre-64' Winchester 30.-30's will not chamber anything but those with .298 nose.

More research to go here.

[JIMinPHX]

I've been having good luck with the 150-grain Lee flat point in my Marlin. I've got her up over 2300fps with better accuracy than any factory ammo I ever tried using RE-7. A modest charge of Unique gives me a great plinking round @ around 1300fps.

[fourarmed]

I have a Marlin with the same throat. The only heavy bullets I cast that will work are 311041, and the group buy flatpoint Loverin. Everything else seats too deeply. Of course, the light bullets like 3118 and 311359 will work too.

[beemer]

I have a Marlin 336A with a 4 groove bore, wouldn't chamber anything but a 311291 with a small nose. After fooling with it for a while I reamed the throat. I can't say it helped accuracy because I only had one boolit style to compare with but it does do well and I can shoot most anything I want.

I also have a sporterised 1909 Arg. Mauser that I rebarreled with a 7.62x51 NATO target barrel, same situation. I would have reamed the throat of my K31 but the pilot on the reamer was to large.

I can't say everyone needs to ream their rifle throats, I did think it over a while before doing mine. It did make both rifles easier to deal with, especially with boolit selection. The moulds I already had worked fine and I didn't have to throw money at moulds that might not work.

beemer

[Papa smurf]

beemer----- Thats why I sugested Lee molds .There cheap enough to just set aside or use for traiding stock . I have several just wating for trade or a new rifle to show up.
Good Shooting-----------------------------------------------------Papa Smurf

[stephen perry]

Hammer the narrow ogive section of 311291 should allow you to move the bullet forward safely without pressure problems, Maybe with the long neck on a 30-30 you could seat the base inside the neck somewhere and still almost touch the rifling. This sucker should shoot lights out.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR :brokenima

[358wcf]

I've been trying my .311-sized 311291 Lyman in 30-30 cases for my WinM94-- I was using a light crimp in the crimp groove, and unable to close the action at all. Found I had to seat the -291 much deeper, and crimp over the front band to chamber properly. Tried the -291 in my Rem700 30-06, with the same results. Seems the crimp groove on the -291 must be intended for another cartridge with a longer throat, perhaps a 30-40Krag? I don't have this problem using the crimp groove with the Lyman 311041 at all-
This is the beauty of crafting our own ammunition to fit our own firearms- we custom tailor the round to fit exactly as WE intend it to. We become craftsmen who make the parts of the equation work as we need them to- unlike those who call themselves "reloaders"; who just follow the recipe in the manual and use jacketed projectiles to acheive their goals.
I'm a firm believer that the "old fashioned way" of doing it for yourself and acheiving excellent results is far more satisfying than any other.
Looks like I'll be retiring the 311291 mold- anybody out there need one?

358wcf [smilie=1:[smilie=1:[smilie=1:

[kelbro]

Looks like I'll be retiring the 311291 mold- anybody out there need one?

358wcf [smilie=1:[smilie=1:[smilie=1:

Why not just trim a batch of brass specifically for that boolit?

[largom]

Why not just trim a batch of brass specifically for that boolit?

Trimming the case will have no bearing on the OAL of the cartridge. I have the same problem with a *mm Mauser with a short throat. I made a sizing die [.323] ejection rod with a nose cavity for my boolit, like a seating punch. By running the boolit nose first in this die [in my lub/sizer] to the appropriate depth I can now seat my boolits out to the base of the neck. In effect I am sizing the front driving bands to fit my bore.

Larry

[stephen perry]

The no gas check 311410 could be tried buy guys that need a short bullets in a 30-30.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR :brokenima

[TAWILDCATT]

the 311291 is for a 303 savage.I have a lyman mold so marked.I use it in my 1903 spring field with 13.5 gr red dot.and it shoots 1 " at 100 yds.you should have bought a win 94 mine takes that bullet no trouble.seems some one is throating for spitzers.my mold is very old to have 303 savage on it.I have had it since the 50san it was used.

[beemer]

385wcf
I have a 311291 that is a recent production, it would not chamber in my 336A. The nose of the boolit is to large and contacted the rifling.The OAL was fine as it would cycle through the action. I had access to an older mould that had a small nose, it chambered fine. The new mould cast a longer and heavier boolit but from the crimp groove to the nose it is the same length. After I rethroated the rifle I use the newer mould. My rifle seems to chamber stiff with .311 boolits also.

Dave

[stephen perry]

The 311291 is for any 30 caliber that will take the ogive in the throat. I have loaded my cast in 30-06, M 94 30-30, and 03A3. Probably one the most stable bullets I cast.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR :brokenima

[mj2evans]

I use a Lee 170g FP and 10.0g Unique with very good results in a micrgroove barrel. Yes, the bullet is seated deeply in the case but shoots just fine at 100yds. I have not chrono'ed this load - any tried hunting small whitetail this way? I was going to try 2400 in 30-30 but the Unique has shot so well not sure its worth the effort.

[softpoint]

I have an XLR 30/30, I haven't tried a lot of boolits, but so far, the 180gr. RCBS is the top performer, with the Ohaus 170 fp a close second. :smile:

[Jon K]

I have had several Winchesters that needed .298-.300 nose to fit the bore. Lyman 311041 and Saeco #316 work good for these.

Jon

[helice]

I wrote to Veral Smith about this problem back in 1999. He stated that in his experience it was rare to find a 30-30 with enough throat to properly digest a 170 or 180 grain slug. He suggested a 160 LFN. I can just barely get the 165 grain Ranch Dog to fit in my Angle Eject 94 Winchester. Unfortunately I don't have a 160 to prove him right or wrong. I've just tended toward 150 grain moulds. Keep writing -- I'm learning. Helice

[Rattlesnake Charlie]

Can I get some bullets from an original .30 WCF mold from someone out there?

I've tried to buy one of these on evil-bay, but they always take off and go for like $70 or more.

I hope to compare the original bullet from a Winchester mold.

If I get some, I'll post the results here as part of ongoing research.