.359 105 gr Wad Cutter Group Buy

[garandsrus]

Bullet: 105 gr full Wad Cutter


http://photos.gunloads.com/images/garandsrus/105gr.jpg

Mold Type: Lee Precision aluminum block Six-cavity mold. Mold does not includes handles.

Target Firearms: .38/.357 target/plinking round. with minimal recoil. Comparable to a .22 long rifle.

Cost: $66 for each mold. The price breakdown is :
$50 mold
$ 6 Shipping
$ 2 Insurance
$ 6 Set up fee based on 16 molds. If we sell additional molds, the setup fee per mold will be reduced and you will get a refund along with your mold. If we sell 25 molds, you get all $6 back!

Buy Closes: May 31, 2006. This will be funds in my hands on this date. I will mail the order to Lee on 6/1. This buy is not limited to shipping in the USA. I don't mind taking the time to get the mold to Canada or other locations. Shipping will vary for interest outside the USA.

Buyers:
Look for my latest post towards bottom of thread for the current list of buyers.

Funds:
Your personal check is fine or whatever is easy for you. Send cash at your own risk (I prefer not to recieve it that way). Buyers from outside the US, send US funds. I will hold all funds until the buy closes and then deposit them after my check is enroute to Lee Precision.

Payments received so far:
Zip molds
35748 1
48092 3
62899 2
75068 1
87821 1
92374 1
97754 1
98409 1

Please include your screen name when you send a payment.

PS - Thanks to RanchDog for the format of the buy message...

[CSH]

John, funds are in the mail. Thanks for being the honcho on this one.

[rebliss]

Check's in the mail! Thanks!

[Catshooter]

Yes! My check'll mail on Monday! Thank you.

[Buckshot]

..............Check going out in Saturday's (4-29) mail. Just wrote it :-)

.............Buckshot

[Catshooter]

garands,

I mailed my check to you yesterday.

I think this boolit will be perfect for me for small game and for new shooters.

Thank you!


Cat

[krag35]

Check will be in tomorrows mail out of here.
krag35

[garandsrus]

The first payment arrived today:

Zip Code - 87821

[Ranch Dog]

PS - Thanks to RanchDog for the format of the buy message...

That made me chuckle...:-D Good luck with your buy! :drinks:

[castalott]

John! I'll be mailing funds for 2 molds on May 2nd. Thanks, Dale

[garandsrus]

Payments received so far:

Zip Codes:
48092 - 2
75068
87821
92374
98409

John

[357maximum]

Busy runnin my other buy and almost forgot about this one. But I didn't, check will be shipped saturday

[garandsrus]

Received two more payments today.
Zip code:
35748
97754

John

[garandsrus]

I have payments for Here are the zip codes for 11 molds so far. Here are the zipcodes and number of molds:

Zip molds
35748 1
48092 3
62899 2
75068 1
87821 1
92374 1
97754 1
98409 1

John

[357maximum]

You will soon ad 48856 to your list


thank you very much for your efforts...

[garandsrus]

357 Maximum,

Your payment arrived today....

John

[Thin Man]

garandsrus,


I'm in, check will mail today. Thanks!


Thin Man

[garandsrus]

Received a payment yesterday and one from Sweden today, so I have received 13 payments. There are at least two more payments enroute that I know of.

I have received payments from:

Zip Molds
35748 1
48092 3
48856 1
62899 2
75068 1
87821 1
92 Kranum 1 (Sweden)
92374 1
97754 1
98409 1

John

[Buckshot]

............Halfway there in only 2 weeks. Not bad for a rather 'Non mainstream' type design.

................Buckshot

[Powderpacker]

John -
I sent a check yesterday for one mold.
Thanks for running this GB.
Ted

[garandsrus]

Two checks arrived today from the following zip codes:

37803 - Thin Man
46637 - Powderpacker

Here's the full list of payments received:
Zip molds
35748 1
37803 1
46637-3211 1
48092 3
48856-9707 1
62899 2
75068 1
87821 1
92 Kranum 1
92374 1
97754 1
98409 1

This brings us to 15 molds. I know there is one more payment on it's way, so we are at the "projected" 16. Any additional orders will qualify everyone for at least a partial refund of the "set up" fee, which is great...

John

[garandsrus]

Received another payment today from "slug", zip code P3L 144, eh... I am also going to include 45 2.1 in the list since he is going to get a mold and send payment when he ships the final blue print to me.

The total is now 17 molds ordered.

We have molds going to three countries, US, Canada, and Sweden.

Everybody will get some portion of the setup fee refunded... If we get 8 more molds, the entire setup fee will be refunded.

John

[cherok9878]

John, check going out Mon- 22 May, thanks for running the buy on this one.....larry

[garandsrus]

Larry,

Your check arrived today...

We are at 18 molds. There are only a couple days left in the group buy!

Here's the checks I have received:

Zip Moulds:
35748 1
36093 1
37803 1
45 2.1 1
46637-3211 1
48092 3
48856-9707 1
62899 2
75068 1
87821 1
92 Kranum 1
92374 1
97754 1
98409 1
P3L 144 1

John

[Catshooter]

Garands,

See what a good idea you had?


Cat

[45 2.1]

Please run the buy up to at least 25 molds. Advertise on other forums also.

[garandsrus]

45 2.1,

I would be more than happy to hit the magic "25" mark and save all of us some money. What other forums would you suggest?

Thanks,
John

[Catshooter]

John,

You can also just wait a bit longer. I'm sure you'll hit the magic 25 in time. Nobody says it has to close right away.


Cat

[Buckshot]

..................You might try Accurate Reloading. I know there are a few others but I don't have any addresses offhand.

Here's one: http://forums.handloads.com/forum_topics.asp?FID=5

I'm only a member of this one and to post elsewhere I'm sure you'd have to be a member

................Buckshot

[cherok9878]

John, if everyone wants to wait for the 25 it is OK with me, we seem to be pretty close.

There is a cast bullet section over at Greybeard.com Loyd Smale(sp) is a moderator over there, he is also a contributor here at cast boolits.

[Buckshot]

John, if everyone wants to wait for the 25 it is OK with me, we seem to be pretty close.

There is a cast bullet section over at Greybeard.com Loyd Smale(sp) is a moderator over there, he is also a contributor here at cast boolits.

It would be nice if Lloyd could post about it, but I don't know how that would fit with the powers that be over there (not Lloyd). I seem to recall it mentioned (caution, gossip) sometime back that they (I don't know who they is) said this site would fade and die. I'm glad it hasn't, and I don't know why someone would say that.

.....................Buckshot

[David R]

I would buy one, but right now I just moved my business. Kinda Flat broke. No money to put into play until work is setteled (settled?). If this hangs on a bit, I will be in. I would love to shoot wadcutters out of my 38. The mold I have does not seem to get along with the gun.

David

[garandsrus]

cherok9878,

I posted an add in the Bullet Casting section of greybeardoutdoors.com. Thanks for the suggestion, I had never been to his site.

John

[Lucky Joe]

I added to the post at GBO and it looks like you may have another order. If the funds are available before the middle of June I'm going to get in on this one.

[357maximum]

How long we gonna wait on this,trying to save less than 6 bucks?

" The preceding question was just a question, nothing should be READ into it, it was merely a question"

Michael

[Lucky Joe]

How long we gonna wait on this,trying to save less than 6 bucks?

" The preceding question was just a question, nothing should be READ into it, it was merely a question"

Michael

.357 Maximum,

I'm sorry I thought it was going to the middle of June. Please don't hold up on my account. Really no problem here, I enjoy the light loads as well as the heavy ones if this is a success there will probably be another buy in the future.

[garandsrus]

357 Maximum,

I had the same thought a couple days ago but thought that I would wait a couple days to see if the posts on the other boards brought in any new customers. It looks like we may have one, Lucky Joe.

I am also waiting on 45 2.1 for the final drawing to send Lee. As soon as I get the drawing, I will send the order to Lee. 45 2.1 mentioned in another post that he had some computer problems, so it may be a couple more days until the drawing arrives.

John

[357maximum]

Thank You,

And Now I Know

[alamogunr]

357 Maximum,

I had the same thought a couple days ago but thought that I would wait a couple days to see if the posts on the other boards brought in any new customers. It looks like we may have one, Lucky Joe.

I am also waiting on 45 2.1 for the final drawing to send Lee. As soon as I get the drawing, I will send the order to Lee. 45 2.1 mentioned in another post that he had some computer problems, so it may be a couple more days until the drawing arrives.

John


Is this buy still open? If so, add me to the list and I will put a check in the mail as soon as it is confirmed that I can get in. We've been on vacation and with getting ready to go and recovering, I haven't been watching as closely as usual.
John

[garandsrus]

Alamogunr,

We are waiting for the final drawing (computer problems) so the buy is still open!

John

[klausg]

garandsrus- I saw your reply to sundog and wondered how this buy slipped under my radar, I've already PM'd you, but if this is still open I'll get you a Money Order in the mail ASAP. Thanks

-Klaus

[krag35]

GREAT, more interest. I'm looking forward to this mold, but am in no hurry. I still have a 50cal can full of plinkers.
krag35

[garandsrus]

Alamogunr,

Your check arrived today...

We are at a total of 19 moulds paid for with a payment for the 20th on the way.

Here is the current list of zip codes:

Zip Items:
35748 1
36093 1
37803 1
38001-1530 1
45 2.1 1
46637-3211 1
48092 3
48856-9707 1
62899 2
75068 1
87821 1
92 Kranum (Sweden) 1
92374 1
97754 1
98409 1
P3L 1H4 1

I heard that 45 2.1 has his computer up and running again, so we should be getting the final drawing pretty soon. The order will to to Lee very shortly after that.

John

[45 2.1]

I sent the drawing and a check for one mold off this morning.

[garandsrus]

45 2.1,

Great! Thank you very much....

John

[garandsrus]

Last Call on this group buy.... The order will go to Lee on Monday 7/3.

If you want in let me know!

John

[357maximum]

garandsarus

Thanks a million for doing this deal and thanks ten million for having a lot of patience. Lee quoted me "about 120 days" on the buy I sent awhile back, so more patience is in order.

I am gonna make a wheelbarrow full of these this winter. My little smiths are frothing at the bore in anticipation.

thanks again
Michael

[klausg]

garandrus-let me reiterate 357Max's thoughts, another thanks for letting me sneak in at the wire; I've got to keep a better eye on this topic as I still haven't figured out how I missed this one until it was nearly too late. Again thanks much, take care.

-Klaus
P.S.-could you shoot me a PM when my money gets to you? Thanks brother.

[cherok9878]

John and 45 2.1 many thanks to the both of you for making this buy possible. I'm with 357 Max, can't wait to get my hands on this one...........larry

[garandsrus]

The drawings arrived from 45 2.1 today so the order will be going out shortly!

John

[garandsrus]

Ol'Scudder,

Your payment made it...

John

[garandsrus]

The order has been sent to Lee... We were at a total of 21 buyers. I couldn't see giving Lee the $100 setup fee when we were only 4 molds from it being waived, so I purchased 4 extra molds.

Everyone will get thier setup fee ($6) refunded when the molds are shipped!

If someone wants one of the extra molds, the price will be $50 mold, $6 Shipping, and $2 confirmation, for a total of $58.

John

[CSH]

John, you definitely went above and beyond on this one. I don't think you'll have any problem selling the extras. There always seems to be a handful of regrets when the order gets here.

[Ol'Scudder]

Ol'Scudder,

Your payment made it...

John


Thanks for the good news John - - and also for the extra effort you've put into this! Stan

[Dutch4122]

PM sent regarding extra moulds, if any left, that may be available.

[garandsrus]

Dutch,

I sent you a PM that I will hold a mold for you...

3 extra molds left!

John

[Dutch4122]

Dutch,
I sent you a PM that I will hold a mold for you...
John

Thanks John. Check will be in the mail to you on Monday 7-10 for one mould.

[garandsrus]

Dutch4122,

Your check arrived.

We still have a few molds that need a home....

John

[garandsrus]

I'm not quite sure where it puts us in the process, but Lee cashed my check on July 13th...

John

[Buckshot]

...............Figure about 90 days :-)

..............Buckshot

[GLL]

John:

PM on the way regarding "needs a home" ! :)!

Jerry

[a2step]

Any Left? Would love to have one of these....

Thanks

2-step

[357maximum]

I just finished prepping 1,500 pieces of 38 brass and am eagerly anticipating the arrival of this mold. Lee seems to have found a higher gear in the mold making dept, so maybe we will get lucky and not have to wait much longer for this one. My baby smiths are still chomping at the bit too...if you listen closely you can hear them whining with anticipation..

Michael

[cherok9878]

Have had 1000 pieces ready for a couple days. Can't wait to get some of these loaded and fed to my little Mod. 10 HB.............larry

[garandsrus]

Gll, A2Step,

I have sent both of you a PM. There are still some molds available...

We are about 60 days into our 60 to 90 day wait, so it shouldn't be much longer now!

John

[garandsrus]

The molds arrived this evening!!!

I cast up a few (20 lbs worth) with one mold to make sure that everything was OK. The alloy I used was straight wheel weights, air cooled. The bullets dropped out of the molds pretty easily. Some of the time all the bullets would drop out when the mold was opened but usually I had to tap the hinge and then they all dropped. I haven't done any "Lee menting". It was at least as good as my better Lee molds.

I measured 12 bullets, two drops from each of the 6 cavities. The bullet measurements are:
Diameter of drive band: .360 to .361
Weight : 108.1 gr to 108.9 grains

The tolerances appear to be within Lee's guarantee and we don't have bullets that are too small! I will mail the molds out on Monday.

Here are a couple photos of the bullets:
http://photos.gunloads.com/images/garandsrus/105grwadcutter2small.jpg

http://photos.gunloads.com/images/garandsrus/105grwadcuttersmall.jpg

The taller bullets are Lee 148gr wad cutters. If anyone wants something else checked before mailing their mold, please let me know...

Thanks,
John

[klausg]

[smilie=w:
Guess I'll have to start hovering around the mailbox like a vulture; thanks again for honchoing.

-Klaus

[Dutch4122]

John-

Just wanted to say thanks for your effort on this one and for ordering enough for us latecomers.

I'll be watching the mailbox.

[357maximum]

SWEET



Thank you MR. Honcho for allyour time and energy.
you hear that.....I just heard a j frame wiggle in its drawer, thanks again
Michael

[krag35]

Way Cool. I can hardly wait. I am completely shot out of 38's. I have bunches of 35863's cast up, but for what I want a 38 to do, these will be perfect. My Boy goes through 38's like money from home, now he can start casting a loading for a change.

Thanks for Honchoing this GB.

I'm going to try 2 of these in a 357 case and see what happens.

krag35

[Buckshot]

.............May just be a good slug for the old IJ breaktop in 38 S&W.:-)

..............Buckshot

[garandsrus]

The molds are all on their way across the country and world (Canada and Sweden)...

If anyone is interested, two molds are still available. The price is $58 delivered.

John

[357maximum]

The molds are all on their way across the country and world (Canada and Sweden)...

If anyone is interested, two molds are still available. The price is $58 delivered.

John



Thanks again on a job well....done.....&..... done.....well. Got my lead pot warm and waiting, not really, but I am ready and waiting. Of all the boolits this one should be the perfect way to get rid of some of the bottles of Lee Liquid Earwax..

[GLL]

John:

Check is "in-the-mail" for one of the remaining extra moulds.

Thank you !

Jerry

[Dutch4122]

Got mine in the mail today. Looks great. Thanks John!

[357maximum]

Recieved mine yesterday, leemented her a bit and made 20 pounds of lil boolits. Nice mold, nice boolits, lee should be commended on this one, they done me good.
Hope to shoot some real soon.


Thanks again John

[cherok9878]

John, received mould today, zip 36093. Thank you for everything you have done. Hope I can return the favor some day.....................larry

[Catshooter]

John,

Got mine today-- thank you very much.

One problem, there was a piece of paper in with the mould that I don't recognise-- something about six bux? Sorry, can't do anything with that one, so I'll just tear it up.

In other words, it was very nice of you to try and refund the set up fee as it wasn't needed. But since I am a honcho and know what is involved in this work, I won't take your dough. Sorry.


Cat

[CSH]

Got mine yesterday and hope to cast with it this weekend. Thanks John.

[Powderpacker]

John -
The .359 / 105 WC arrived here in good shape. However, the enclosed check #4582 somehow fell into my shredder so I won't be cashing it . Please credit that money back to your account. Thanks again for all the time and effort you invested in this GB.
Ted

[castalott]

Hi John!

My molds arrived today in fine shape. Thank You Very Much!

Oh.....I'm not gonna cash your check either....Maybe you'll hocho another mold I want someday...


Dale- stuck in the state of Ill.

[krag35]

My mold arrived today, looks good. Thanks for Honchoing this.

It must be a phenomena, # 4587 suddenly burst into flames, might just as well add it back too.

Thanks
krag35

[rebliss]

John,
Thanks for the effort on getting this mould done. It showed up when I was least expecting it! (Darn it, I forgot to get handles before it arrived.) The boolits look nice, and I'm excited to try the mould. I look forward to hearing how they shoot--I'll be casting and shooting some soon.

BTW, if they cast at .360, does anyone plan on sizing them at all, or just TL?

[Lucky Joe]

John,

If you have one left I will take it. PM me with the details.

Thanks,

[klausg]

John- got mine over the weekend, I had to wait for the rain to quit before I could try it out. Anyway she casts like a champ: unlike others, I didn't have any empty brass, so I guess I'll have to wait to see how my 586 likes them, but to my eyes they're perfect.

Quick question, if the Lee CF309-113-RF is a "soupcan", are these "coffeecans"?

krag35-when you get around to trying two in a .357, please post the details. Your statement picqued my interest.

-Klaus

[357maximum]

Quick question, if the Lee CF309-113-RF is a "soupcan", are these "coffeecans"?


Nope, these are mushroom cans:mrgreen:

I got some shot up in one of my model 36's and they shoot good, kept them minute of beer can at 25 yards about 90% of the time. The other ten percent was definately operator error..good little lead saving boolits, I like em.

[GLL]

John:

Thank you again for allowing me to buy one of the "extras"!

It arrived in good order Tuesday and I cast a few this morning. Using 50/50 ww+lino mine cast BEAUTIFUL bullets at a very uniform .358" and drop at 104.9 grains. Perfect ! :) :)

Any interest in repeating this same bullet in .429+" ?

Please cancel out check #4588 as well. Use it for the next buy !

Jerry

http://www.fototime.com/23D0F576701D599/standard.jpg

[CSH]

357maximum, would you mind sharing your load data? I was planning to use 148 WC data and work up, but it looks like you have done the grunt work already. :mrgreen:

[357maximum]

357maximum, would you mind sharing your load data? I was planning to use 148 WC data and work up, but it looks like you have done the grunt work already. :mrgreen:


Sure thing but be careful these are really hot,,,hot like an ice cube.

4.2 grains green dot. Just a pop gun fun load...I shot one over the beta master and it said it was lopping along at 929 fps, 1 3/4 inch barrel. This is one of a pair, and their only duties are plinkin, and the nightstand,(with different ammo at the nightstand of course)

[Ol'Scudder]

John, the mold arrived in fine shape - your efforts in doing this GB are appreciated.

Refund check #4575 has been shredded - - -

[garandsrus]

Has anyone in the group buy NOT received their molds? They should have all arrived by now. I would think that the mold going to Canada and Australia should be there by now also.

I still have a couple molds that are available but wanted to hang onto at least one just in case something got lost in transit.

If you don't reply, my assumption will be that your mold arrived! All of the molds were shipped with delivery confirmation so they can be tracked.

Thanks to everyone that made this group buy a success... I am looking forward to shooting the bullets in a PPC league over the winter. I hope to get my first "300" with these!

Thanks again,
John

[Lucky Joe]

John,

Thanks for letting me buy one of the extra moulds. I will let you know when it arrives. Perhaps we can meet for coffee at some future date. You will have to come out of the city though, I don't go in unless I have to.

Thanks again,

Lucky Joe

[garandsrus]

Lucky Joe,

Let's go pheasant hunting instead of having coffee! :)

John

[Lucky Joe]

John,

The mould arrived today and looks great, locks up nice and tight. Pheasants are in rather short supply in some areas around here, however I do know a lot of land owners, this is a real possibility. Thanks again I didn't expect the mould so soon. Lets keep in touch about the birds.

Best,

Lucky Joe

[alamogunr]

Has anyone in the group buy NOT received their molds? They should have all arrived by now. I would think that the mold going to Canada and Australia should be there by now also.

Thanks again,
John

I have received mine. Don't exactly remember when. Have been out of town. Should have responded sooner. Thanks again for the effort on this one.

John
"alamogunr"

[rebliss]

Well, I've done some casting of these. First off, this is my first experience with a 6-holer, and it takes some getting used to. I like not having to whack the sprue plate, but I wind up having to tap on the handle bolt to get all my boolits to drop.

My first attempt, I dont' think I got the cavities clean enough, so I had a few that wrinkled every time. I was dropping them into water, and didn't notice on the first run. I'd estimate that 50% of my boolits were rejects. So, I thoroughly re-cleaned the mould, and re-smoked it. This allowed for better fill-out, so that problem was solved. Water-quenching Wheel Weights netted me a boolit in the average range of 107 grains, with a diameter averaging .358. I was casting at around 750 degrees.

I have one cavity that sticks most often--the 3rd from the end usually takes quite a few whacks with the stick to get it to drop, but numbers 3 and 4 drop my best boolits.

My second attempt with air-cooled WW (same batch) were a more consistent 107grains, and a more consistent diameter averaging .360.

I tried placing the pouring holes in the sprue plate flush against the nipple, but this typically gave me hollow spots when the sprue was cut. I found that the best pours were with the mould on an angle, about 1" below the spout, and my tongue held slightly left, between my eye-teeth. I still get some rejects, which seem to form mostly when I don't get a good pour. Anyone have some tricks for working with a 6-holer more consistently?

I was wondering if anyone bothered resizing their boolits, or have been shooting them as-cast? I plan on Tumble Lubing them, but I could size and lube them if I get a sizing die, and top-punch. By the way--what top-punch would work with these?

Anyhow, just thought I'd share my experience so far.

[garandsrus]

rebliss - check out the "Leementing" article on how to fix the sticky cavity...

Here's a target I shot from sandbags to do some load development. I didn't have the right glasses so I couldn't see the sights clearly, but the load has potential. I used the Lyman cast manual for the 105 Semi Wad Cutter as a starting point. I tried all the W231 recommended loads in .3 gr increments. They all shot well but had a little more recoil than I wanted for this bullet so I am going to drop down a little below the min charge.

These were ACWW "as cast", LLA lubed. The group is just over 1.75 in so this picture is actually enlarged.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m245/johntlarson/4.jpg

I really like that they cut nice round holes to make the target scoring easy. The reason I didn't like the Lee 105 gr SWC was because it doesn't cut a clean hole. This was a standard 50ft Slow Fire Pistol Target

[rebliss]

Those ARE nice, clean holes. I like wadcutters for that reason too. When I shoot my .45 with SWCs in IDPA, I always get comments about the big holes I leave in the targets!

I bought this mould for my wife to practice with her Lady Smith Snubby. What barrel length are you shooting with?

[garandsrus]

Rebliss,

I have a 6" S&W 686 in .357. I am shooting these in .38 Spec cases of course... The revolver is set up for PPC shooting, where everything is double action so the hammer is bobbed, etc.

John

[rebliss]

Rebliss,

I have a 6" S&W 686 in .357. I am shooting these in .38 Spec cases of course... The revolver is set up for PPC shooting, where everything is double action so the hammer is bobbed, etc.

John

Hers is set up similar to yours, except for the snub barrel in stainless steel. I had an action job done, and had the hammer bobbed. Trigger is still standard pull weight. I want her to be able to practice as long as she likes without her hands hurting from firing full-power ammo. I also have some 158gr SWCs for her to shoot to be used to what the full power loads will feel like.

I'm anxious to check out how these shoot through the snub barrel. I hope they don't tumble!

[Bret4207]

Good job guys! I wish i'd had the bucks to get in on this one. Looks like a design worth repeating down the line.

[garandsrus]

I have gone down as low as 3.0 gr W231 with no problems using LLA... The holes were still nice and sharp in the target with no ripping of the paper.

I may try a little lower, but want to make sure that the bullet gets to where it's going!

John

[rebliss]

I have gone down as low as 3.0 gr W231 with no problems using LLA... The holes were still nice and sharp in the target with no ripping of the paper.

I may try a little lower, but want to make sure that the bullet gets to where it's going!

John

Garandsrus--LOL! At first I thought your name was "Grand-a-saurus!" I've got to take more time to read things more closely!

Anyway, when you next go shooting, could you please relay your shooting distance, and an estimate of boolit drop with your 3.0 grains of 231?

How would we go about determining the ballistic coefficient to plug into ballistics programs with this little wadcutter?

[rebliss]

Just for fun, I'm posting some basic infomation I got from an online ballistic calculator. Since I have not shot this load personally, I used information others have provided on their powder choice and charge weight. I also estimated the Ballistic Coefficient based on similarly sized wadcutters.

Cartridge: 38 Special
Max case length: 1.155" Trim-to length: 1.145" Case capacity: 23.0
Bullet diameter: 0.357" Max. COL: 1.550" Primer size: small pistol

Bullet name: Lee Cast ACWW 358-105-WC
Diameter: 0.360" Weight: 108 grains
Length: 0.405" Ballistic Coeffient: 0.048 (Estimated)
Sectional density: 0.119

Powder type: Winchester 231
Powder weight: 3.0 grains

Primer: CCI 500
Type: Small Pistol

Handload's COL: 1.155" (Seated Flush)
Muzzle velocity: 730 (fps) (Estimated)

Best Zero Results
Near-Zero - yds. 1 Midrange - yds. 27
Far-Zero - yds. 52 Max Ordinate - in. +2.5
Point-Blank - yds. 63

Indices Range
Range - yds. 0 50 100
Velocity - ft./sec. 730 641 563
Energy - ft.-lbs. 128 99 76
Path - in. -0.2 0.5 20.1

[garandsrus]

Rebliss,

I will chronograph the 3.0 gr load next time I go shooting and let you know what the velocity is.

Most of the shooting I am going to do with this bullet will be 50ft at indoor PPC matches. I didn't notice much change in point of impace for any of the various powder weights I shot. Of course, the distance was only 50 ft...

John

[rebliss]

Hey John Garandsrus,

How'd your loads chrony? Any other fellows have a load worked up? BOTH of my local shootin' ranges have gone out of business, so I've been a little discouraged lately. Found a new place to shoot, so I finally gotten around to setting up my dies for this one. I'm looking forward to going out and giving it a try!

-Rob

[krag35]

GLL;
Any interest in repeating this same bullet in .429+" ?
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I'd be interested in one of them.

[Bret4207]

Krag35- I'm a gonna beat Carpetman to this one!

What?! A 105 gr .429 boolit? Why not just shoot a Neco Wafer?

[garandsrus]

Rebliss,

I never got around to putting the boolits through the chronograph! I have shot quite a few though at 3.0 gr and 2.9 gr W231. Both shoot great. The 2.9gr load leaves some soot on the case though. I don't think the seal is quite as good as it should be so I have standardized on the 3.0 gr load.

Here's a PPC "A" target I shot with them last week:

http://photos.gunloads.com/images/garandsrus/105grwadcutterppcatarget.jpg

The course of fire was 12 shots in 20 seconds from 21 feet, 6 shots kneeling, 6 shots left hand, left side of the barricade, 6 shots right hand, right side of the barricade, all at 50 feet. I think the time is 90 seconds for the last 18 shots.

I had ordered extra molds to meet the 25 minimum when the order was placed. I still have two that are available if anyone is interested... Same price as the original buy, $58 shipped.

John

[JSH]

If any of you have a handfull of these to spare I would like to give them a try. They don't need to be lubed or sized. PM if you would.
Thanks
Jeff

[garandsrus]

Jeff,

I would be more than happy to send you some... I sent you a PM also.

John

[GLL]

Krag35:

I would love to have a similar .429+" design at 160-180 grains ! :) :)

Do you plan on Honchoing such a Group Buy ? If so sign me up !

I feel it would be popular.

Jerry

[OLPDon]

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I had ordered extra molds to meet the 25 minimum when the order was placed. I still have two that are available if anyone is interested... Same price as the original buy, $58 shipped.

John[/QUOTE]

Hey John
Ifen you still have one left I would sure like one. Send PM of addy and I will send you a check. And of course hold check till it clears.
Don

[Murphy]

John,

In regards to any extra molds, if I'm not too late on one of the 2 remaining molds, I'll take it.

PM sent.

Murphy

[garandsrus]

Don and Murphy,

You both got a mold... I hope you enjoy it. I sent you a PM with my address.

John

[cherok9878]

Guys you are in for a treat with this little boolit. It knocks garden bandits flat. It also shoots well out of every 38/357 handgun I have.

[Murphy]

Many Thanks John,

I had the itch but didn't have the scratch when this group buy closed.

I saw several great potentials for it right from the start.

1. I love to help get a female into handgun shooting. Be it for fun, or self defense purposes. I couldn't think of a finer 'lite' bullet to start one out with.

2. I would have wanted this one even at 148 grains. The single lube groove was just the ticket for me. Perhaps I haven't looked long or hard enough for one that only had the single lube groove.

3. It's a 6 banger, nuff said.

4. Wheel weights are getting harder and harder to come by here in my part of the world. (Oklahoma). I had my brother checking Oklahoma City recycler's, scrap yards...et. 35 cents a pound was the best he could find.

PM on the way.

Thanks,

Murphy

[garandsrus]

Murphy,

The boolit does shoot well... When loaded light the recoil isn't much different than a .22 LR, maybe less.

The single lube groove works well with a Star sizer/luber in that the same lube hole setup works for the .357 Keith group buy also! Just adjust the punch a little.

It is also kind of nice that "every third bollit is a bonus" compared to the 148gr WC.

John

[45 2.1]

If someone is interested in a GB for a 44 cal. of this boolit, get to PMing.

[OLPDon]

Thanks John for you quick reply looks like alot of fun for such little lead.
Check will be in mail pronto.
Don

[OLPDon]

John:
Forgot to mail out check will mail today sorry for the delay.
Don>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[OLPDon]

John:
Recieved the mould today via Priority Mail Thank's much.
Don

[rebliss]

Got to test these out today. Used the wife's .38 Lady Smith snubby (after all, she's the reason I bought this mould--wanted her to be able to shoot all day and not become recoil sensitive). Tested from 3.6-4.4 grains of Unique in .2 grain increments. The 4.0 load was wonderful. Light recoil, and a ragged hole offhand at 15 feet. This is a winner!