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Bret4207
10-13-2009, 08:15 AM
Every week, without fail, we get the question- "Can I shoot a gas check design w/o a gc???" I know about the stickies and all the places the info is noted, but since we have all the questions and all the posts on homemade GC making, maybe it's time for a "Gas Checks" section where all this can be accessed more easily. The "Classics and Stickies" doesn't seem to be cutting it.

waksupi
10-13-2009, 11:00 AM
Brett, the heck of it is, people seem to skip over the Classics and Sticky section, and not even attempt to look thing up themselves. Instant gratification is wanted. I suppose that is why when I would visit Der Colonel's page, you would repeatedly see the message to check the archives, or do a search.

Rocky Raab
10-13-2009, 11:07 AM
Brutality might be the best recourse. Lock such threads with the notice to check the stickies - perhaps even provide a "jump" link.

StarMetal
10-13-2009, 11:13 AM
Maybe when a new member registers there is a like an agreement paragraph when you install new software on your pc and you have to click Agree or Disagree to continue your enrollment. Now wait a minute, I know most just click Agree because if they don't they software doesn't get installed. Maybe we could make reading the Agreement thingy more interesting. What I'm saying is somehow make the new member aware of just not jumping right in and asking questions without first looking at stickies or using search. Have to make them more aware of it.

Brets right on this one. It gets to the point where the old members don't want to keep going over the same thing. Ric is right too...instant gratification.

Joe

mike in co
10-13-2009, 11:14 AM
DUHHHHHHHHHH...

i brought this up myself a few months back.......


nothing happened......


for once i agree with rocky...lock it and tell them were to go look


mike in co

Bret4207
10-13-2009, 11:20 AM
Well, as effective as "tough love" is with kids, I think it would be ineffective here. We have numerous threads on gas check making and the function of gas checks and all the opinion that goes with it. While I find the weekly "can I use a gc mould w/o the gc" MADDENING, I think we would be doing a service to the board to create a section for it. It may seem superfluous to add yet another specialized section, but considering the volume if posts related to gas checks it seems worthy of consideration.


Mike- Thank you for the thoughtful input. Duh says it all.

desteve811
10-13-2009, 11:24 AM
So, can I shoot a gas check design w/o a gc?? :kidding:

joeb33050
10-13-2009, 11:36 AM
The reason we put the book together was that topics covered in any forum, like this, go lower and lower on the page, and finally disappear. Forums do a poor job of saving the important info, it has to do with the architecture. We, some WE, know the answers to most questions about cast bullets. Any forum has construction that makes finding answers a little difficult. The book put the answers in one place.
Now, the forum could take care of this problem with a FAQ place immediately under "CAST BULLETS". I'm prepared to help with the FAQ.
joe b.

lead-1
10-13-2009, 11:57 AM
Brutality might be the best recourse. Lock such threads with the notice to check the stickies - perhaps even provide a "jump" link.


Sometimes when a new guy does a search the right word or words aren't used and you get 57 pages to look thru. When that person goes thru about ten pages with only three post that are close but no cigar, then the evil new guy will just ask the darn question. I'm guilty of repeat posts but I've also searched two or three different forums looking for an answer. Please don't lock someone's post for what you think is an agrivating question, it doesn't make you or the forum look helpful or user friendly, JMHO.

Example being when I wanted to slug the throat, lead and bore of my rifle and wasn't using the right terms, I got answers from all over the spectrum and a bunch of them.

carpetman
10-13-2009, 12:07 PM
desteve811--can I shoot a gas check design without a gas check? Depends. Now if its a 6.5 and the rpm is right,depending on color and smell of lube, maybe. The critical factor is was the alloy made in a muffin tin ingot mold. You probably didn't know a muffin tin can be used as an ingot mold? Never heard of anyone else doing it, but I did it once.

45nut
10-13-2009, 12:23 PM
I thought we took pride in transforming newbies into educated and helpful members here?

Did that mission get lost somewhere? I don't remember that discussion.
If you don't feel inclined to repeat yourself then let someone else else drop in an answer the question that just learned it.

Personally I will remember back to just yesterday when I had to ask someone about a subject I was ignorant on.

This board was founded because I needed a place to get answers to casting questions that must have seemed silly to some but were genuine and important to me at the time.

Remember the mission, help not ridicule, content is respected , you can make a difference and make this board one that is renowned or you can make the experience distasteful and infer to others that the cost of taking part is not worth the effort.

How bout it? Can you step up?

jdgabbard
10-13-2009, 12:39 PM
You know what. I've never quite understood why people get SO upset when some new to the forum guy decides to post a question that a couple hundred other people have asked before. And this is my reasoning.

1 - Maybe he hasn't done a search. And is new enough to the concept of forum to not know that it can be searched.

2 - Maybe he has search, and can't find a clear answer in the 500 threads that got picked by the search engine.

3 - Maybe he did search, found what he was looking for, but it didn't completely answer his question and there is another part to it that he needs and/or wants to know.

4 - Maybe he did search, found what he was looking for and just didn't understand it. And wants someone to help explain it to him so that he can.


Now I know this doesn't apply to GCs much. But you know, I think instead of everyone getting upset because some new guy has posted a thread with a question we hear all the time, why don't we just go ahead and answer his question, explain to him that next time he should try to use the search funchtion. And remember that once upon a time you have been guilty of the same thing too.

My .02

montana_charlie
10-13-2009, 12:41 PM
Once you have answered the same question fifty times, there are fifty newbys out there who know the answer. If you just quit answering that question, one (or more) of them will jump up to say, "I know...I know!"
You can watch them answer it a couple of times, just to make sure they have it right, then ignore that thread title in the future.

That leaves you free to answer truly important queries such as, "Is four inches of lead-free solder enough to sweeten a pot of w/w?"

CM

OutHuntn84
10-13-2009, 12:53 PM
Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in for what it's worth from a still wet behind the ears newb on this site.
I think Bret's thought on a gas check section would be good, gas check is a pretty broad topic w/ lots of opinions and ideas.
Also I think if someone posts a question that seems repetitive first we should check and see if it really is, do the search real quick using some of their wording if you can find the answer w/in the first page of results then link it to them on the post it on their thread, then boom end of discussion. The newb gets an answer and also has been shown by a senior member of CB on how to find answers. Lets not just give these guys a fish lets teach em how. Heck thats how I was taught everything about CB, reloading, hunting ect. I was not just given the answer I was taught how to get the answers. I believe this would be better (read easier and less frustrating) on the old salts and more enlightening to the newbs.
One of the first posts I reviewed on the site was like that somone asked a repeat question then somone else said your answer is here and you can search some of your questions here.
Before I posted my first thread I remembered that and did a quick search. I didn't want to feel like a dummy for asking a repeat. and I dont think I have ... Yet.
Correcting/Teaching someone like this is polite and blunt all at once. No hurt feelings No further wasted time. Moderators lock, delete, what ever repeated thread and we are done.

bedwards
10-13-2009, 01:34 PM
I'm fairly new here still, but this is my take on it. Sometimes the search features don't work right or you don't phrase it right or whatever and the computer just blinks at you. The reason why I like to be on this forum is that the people here seem like they enjoy helping, educating others. Maybe just reference someone who has asked a dumb question to a thread and move on.


be

mold maker
10-13-2009, 01:40 PM
If we don't take every opportunity to teach the newbie, and encourage them to ask for answers to ALL their questions, We will soon be just an old farts club discussing only the weather and our aches and pains.
If 5000 newbies ask the same question, and all get a respectful answer, there will be 5000 more of us to help the next 5000.
We either grow by inviting and investing in the newbies or we stagnate and die off like the Fall leaves.

462
10-13-2009, 01:40 PM
I know many members of this site also belong to other forums -- I belong to one other. Now, I don't want to appear to be un-helpful, but how many times have you seen a new member ask the same question (copy and paste) on another forum? I think that person isn't looking to learn, but looking for the easy way out and is too lazy to do his own research.

We have stickies for Kroil, how many pounds does a bucket of wheel weights weigh?, etc., so why not one for gas checks?

Rocky Raab
10-13-2009, 02:46 PM
Mike, whatta ya mean "for once?" LOL!

I realize that the search function doesn't always work and that new members might not know how to navigate the board (in addition to their other areas of little knowledge.) That's why I suggested posting a link to EXACTLY where his newbie question is answered.

I keep a file of answers to questions I get tired of answering. When I think that an answer is required, I'll C&P my boilerplate answer. Saves my typing fingers for the 50 or so emails on reloading I get every week - many of which also ask the same things again and again.

wiljen
10-13-2009, 02:49 PM
There was a movement afoot awhile back to create a wiki with FAQ kinda questions answered in it. I think CA Plater was the one most interested. Maybe it is time to revive an FAQ / Wiki and start with the how much does a bucket weigh? Can I use a GC bullet without one? etc questions.

qajaq59
10-13-2009, 03:02 PM
I'm sorry, but I only know two good uses for a forum. It's either to teach or to learn. If you start biting people for asking questions, no matter how innane they may be or how many times YOU have seen the answers, you wont be doing either one.

bedwards
10-13-2009, 03:10 PM
You WILL loose members as I have seen it happen in other forums.

Tom W.
10-13-2009, 03:22 PM
So, can I shoot a gas check design w/o a gc?? :kidding:

Well, you can take a Lee C358 158 SWC and load it upside down if you want, and it will shoot o.k. :holysheep


I ain't making any claims to accuracy, though...

Bill*
10-13-2009, 03:47 PM
I think we should remember that when welcoming a newbie, many people here add " The only dumb question is the one never asked". That said, a GC section seems smart to me. And if someone does ask "can I......", take a peek at their post count-if it's 3 or 7 I would cut em some slack. If it's 62 I'd whack em on the nose with a rolled up newspaper :rolleyes:

jdgabbard
10-13-2009, 04:04 PM
What does the post count have anything to do with it? I have near a 1000, and I consider myself an apprentice in skill. I make beautiful boolits, know how to allow, trouble shoot my equipment and have been reloading for quite some time. But I learn everyday from my own experiences and those of others on this board and in my personal life.

You know what, some of you guys might get to frustrated with teaching someone that wants to learn. But as long as I'm not telling the same guy/girl over and over and over about the same exact thing, I'll take that time to give them the best answer I can.

Thats what I've always loved about this board. Is the fact that the people here were always so kind to one another. You take that away and you turn this into a board just like all the others on the internet. You do that, and it changes everything about us. I consider this a very strong and kind community. One were people ship each others molds to try out, cost free. Will sit down and cast 500 - 1000 boolits of whatever make for a guy that cant seem to find that mold, or wants to try them out, for little or no cost. When people will put their own items up for auction just for the benefit of the site.

If the mods think there is enough discussion on GCs to start a new sub forum, then by all means. But why would we do it just so we don't have to answer the newcomers questions? That is ridiculous. We're here to teach each other. Not ignore them, or tell them to use the search function.

Bill*
10-13-2009, 04:15 PM
I was just saying a single digit post count might be someone who doesn't know their way around the site yet

imashooter2
10-13-2009, 04:20 PM
If only new subjects could be posted or discussed the board would die. There is nothing to fix. Ignore the "same question for the ten thousandth time" posts if they annoy you.

Rocky Raab
10-13-2009, 04:55 PM
I'll do just that. In fact, I'll jot down all the posters here who want every question answered in full every time it is asked. And I'll also watch and see how eager those same folks are to type a thousand words or so every single time somebody asks "I'm thinking of casting my own bullets. What do I need to know?"

Walk the walk, folks. Or...

qajaq59
10-13-2009, 05:10 PM
I'll do just that. In fact, I'll jot down all the posters here who want every question answered in full every time it is asked. And I'll also watch and see how eager those same folks are to type a thousand words or so every single time somebody asks "I'm thinking of casting my own bullets. What do I need to know?"

Walk the walk, folks. Or...

As you wish. It is certainly not right that you be forced to answer any questions, whether the answers require 5 words or a 1,000.

And since this has gone sour, and I'm sure will get far worse, I think it is time to go cast bullets and forget the forum for a spell. Oh, and be sure to spell my name right.

45nut
10-13-2009, 05:11 PM
There is now a Gas Check area, it will take some time to move threads as I search.

OutHuntn84
10-13-2009, 05:13 PM
Hey guys just wanted to share this with ya.
Earlier I jinxed myself

I didn't want to feel like a dummy for asking a repeat. and I don't think I have ... Yet.

and then this happens lol

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=58274&page=3

and this is an excellent example of what I was talking about earlier. Sweede simply showed me how to obtain my answer. He didn't waste any more time on it then necessary, no need for a long spill about it. Now he has more time to learn more so he can teach me more later! :bigsmyl2:

BTW Thanks Sweede for your Patience and assistance.:drinks:

Bret4207
10-13-2009, 05:17 PM
Thanks very much Ken, decent of you.

In the interests of clarity, it's not so much seeing the same question asked 300 times, it's that despite making stickies and having a search feature folks can't seem to FIND the info that's here. Giving one answer to a question is fine, having an entire section dedicated to GC discussion and a place to keep all the pertinent info seems like a help to oldtimer and noobie alike.

jack19512
10-13-2009, 05:30 PM
I bet the g/c question still gets asked. :bigsmyl2:

45nut
10-13-2009, 05:41 PM
I bet the g/c question still gets asked. :bigsmyl2:

Thats the difference between a discussion board, which we are, versus a wiki or a book or a video that you cannot get feedback from.

With over eleven thousand currently registered members there is bound to be repetition, but that is just a reflection of how things are on a board and even how humanity IS and always will be.

A perfect example, the repeated wars over how "I am right and you are wrong" on every level of history internally and externally in counties, countries and communities on this earth.

mcooper
10-13-2009, 05:59 PM
Well, as effective as "tough love" is with kids, I think it would be ineffective here. We have numerous threads on gas check making and the function of gas checks and all the opinion that goes with it. While I find the weekly "can I use a gc mould w/o the gc" MADDENING, I think we would be doing a service to the board to create a section for it. It may seem superfluous to add yet another specialized section, but considering the volume if posts related to gas checks it seems worthy of consideration.


Mike- Thank you for the thoughtful input. Duh says it all.

I asked this recently, I have read many of the classics and stickies. My search though...returned hundreds of threads, none of them relevant to my question.

Just saying.

45nut
10-13-2009, 06:07 PM
and that is why a discussion board such as this exists.

really, without the discussion, we have lost our purpose.

gon2shoot
10-13-2009, 06:19 PM
Every time the same old question comes up "NEW" means there is a newbie looking for help. Guess what, thats what keeps our interest growing.

I've only been casting since 73 and I learn a lot from folks here, I hope folks dont get tired of helping out the beginers.

waksupi
10-13-2009, 06:37 PM
It doesn't appear anyone who has posted, is against having the GC forum.

How do we get people to look? That seems to be a stumbling block.

badgeredd
10-13-2009, 06:47 PM
The reason we put the book together was that topics covered in any forum, like this, go lower and lower on the page, and finally disappear. Forums do a poor job of saving the important info, it has to do with the architecture. We, some WE, know the answers to most questions about cast bullets. Any forum has construction that makes finding answers a little difficult. The book put the answers in one place.
Now, the forum could take care of this problem with a FAQ place immediately under "CAST BULLETS". I'm prepared to help with the FAQ.
joe b.

First, I want to say that I like Bret's idea because of his stated reasons. Secondly, thanks to Ken for implementing a Gas Check Section. AND lastly, I think that Joe has an excellent idea too. I realize that some won't bother to read, but the vast majority of fellows I've seen post here do take the time to read the stickies. Heck, I still find stuff in them that I missed previously! A FAQ stickie sounds like a good idea to me...maybe in the first heading group to get everyones attention. My 2 pence worth...

Edd

carpetman
10-13-2009, 06:49 PM
Google Cast bullet and even with the misspell here---this place comes up first. Doesn't it stand to reason a person with a question would come here? Does it not also stand to reason they wont be familar with how this place is set up--the stickies and all and will post a question that has been asked before? How many times have I answered several questions like muffin tins, which sizer/luber, on and on. If I dont care to I don't. I know someone will. On another forum I posted the question can a bullet be shot without a gas check? This was over half hour ago. Nobody has even looked at the post. Here usually within half an hour there will be several posts. I say delete this whole thread and leave things alone---if it aint broke dont fix it.

No_1
10-13-2009, 06:49 PM
Post it as a special message at the top of the page for a week or so. Something like "We have added a new section to our site! Take a moment to browse through the Gas Check Forum"

280Ackley
10-13-2009, 06:51 PM
As a newby to this board I want to thank everyone who has or will help with my questions. I try to use the search function to best advantage, but the search function on this board is not very intellegent. I have been unable to figure out how to use boolian operators to narrow my searches and therefore end up with hundreds or thousands of hits. If such operators are avaliable a stickey somewhere with instructions would be appreated.

oldtoolsniper
10-13-2009, 06:54 PM
I’ll say this. I truly enjoy this forum and I have really met some great folks and received a lot of good information. I wrote a brief description of trying to make a top punch a while back and I got nothing but help, in fact a couple of pages worth. I was not asking for help, but I got it anyway. When I find myself in need of a sizing die I just sent off my money order to lathesmith and it magically appears. I enjoy the fact that even though the question is answered every week it is still answered. I once belonged to a taxidermy site and every question was met with “use the search function” it was not user friendly at all. I like this site just the way it is. I think in the long run it is very beneficial to our second amendment rights.

Rocky Raab
10-13-2009, 07:07 PM
I think the new sub-forum is great. Thanks.

(BTW, "check's" is a misspelling. No apostrophe needed to pluralize the word "checks.")

Bret4207
10-13-2009, 07:25 PM
Rocky how does that work? The apostrohe thing? I thought it was the apos. preceding the s means it's plural and following means the possessive. (Yes I slept through English- French and Math too and I kind of missed Art and most of Science. But I was there for History!)

HammerMTB
10-13-2009, 07:37 PM
Rocky how does that work? The apostrohe thing? I thought it was the apos. preceding the s means it's plural and following means the possessive. (Yes I slept through English- French and Math too and I kind of missed Art and most of Science. But I was there for History!)

May I jump in?
An apostrophe preceding the ess is a shortened form of "is" following, IE it's=it is, or that's =that is
an ess at the end is indicative of the plural, so more than 1 boolit is of course boolits
the apostrophe after is used for the possessive form

Interesting conversation above, to be sure, in light of my recent experience asking what some considered a repetitive question.

Lawnjockey
10-13-2009, 07:41 PM
I am newly registered but I have been coming here for a few years. I am also new to casting. First off just because some one asks what you perceive to be a dumb question or one that has been answered before doesn't mean the person is lazy or hasn't tried to find the answer on their own. I think I am like others who are interested in this and have read several books and everything they can find online before asking questions. This is a new subject to the new people and they don't have confidence in their understanding yet even if they have read the answer already. Some people are just not comfortable with newly aquired knowledge. They ask to verify their understanding and thus gain confidence in their understanding.

Rather than discourage them with a gruff comment they should be encouraged. Perhaps a FAQ forum that is locked to further posts conatining these repeated topics might help. Then when a newby asks the response can be go read number seven or whatever in the FAQ forum, if you still have questions ask after you have read the material already posted.

We in the shooting sports have a duty to help all newcomers as much as possible. If we don't our sport is doomed.

Jocko

jhrosier
10-13-2009, 07:52 PM
There is now a Gas Check area....

Well, that kinda sucks, I just found classics and stickeys. Now I gotta go a look somewhere else?:kidding:
Jack

Down South
10-13-2009, 08:33 PM
Once you have answered the same question fifty times, there are fifty newbys out there who know the answer. If you just quit answering that question, one (or more) of them will jump up to say, "I know...I know!"
You can watch them answer it a couple of times, just to make sure they have it right, then ignore that thread title in the future.

That leaves you free to answer truly important queries such as, "Is four inches of lead-free solder enough to sweeten a pot of w/w?"

CM

I got a good laugh out of that one. How true it is. [smilie=l:


Iíve given thought to repeated questions thing a time or two and I do believe the keeping on answering the questions is the correct method. Having a special section for the most repeated questions will be great but it wonít be boolit proof to keep someone from bypassing it and asking again. In no way would I ever think of being rude to someone who asks one of these common questions. I might mention doing a search would reveal more results or something along that line.
As said already, this is a discussion board and there are a lot of the same old questions that will be asked again and again. I see it all of the time on other forums that Iím a member of too. What I hate to see is someone scold the member for asking.

jack19512
10-14-2009, 02:14 AM
if it aint broke dont fix it.









That's how I felt also. For me it was simple, if I come across a thread that doesn't interest me or in this case a thread where a question that has been asked a million times if I don't want to respond I just don't go there. :veryconfu

I recently had something happen to me that has changed the way I look at life. I recently had cataract surgery on my left eye and it didn't go well. For the first week I couldn't see anything but bright light out of my left eye. That was a month ago, now I can see some but my vision is still blurry.

I am a person that likes to target shoot, hunt, ride my motorcycle etc...etc...and I don't mind telling you I was scared. I didn't know if I would ever be seeing out of my left eye again or not. My right eye vision isn't anything to brag about and originally I was suppose to have had the surgery on it.

Now this isn't life threatening but it is definitely life changing. It kind of makes you want to pay the silly little stuff in life no attention anymore. I personally have no problem with the new gas check area no more than I had a problem with the repetitive questions. Life is just too short to sweat the small stuff. [smilie=w:

Tom W.
10-14-2009, 05:22 AM
[smilie=w:Gee, can we have a LOOB GROOVE thread, too?[smilie=w:

imashooter2
10-14-2009, 07:30 AM
Too many forums, too many stickies. Seems like all the boards are going that way.:(

Rocky Raab
10-14-2009, 08:44 AM
Bret, with rare exceptions, an apostrophe is never used to indicate a plural. It is used ONLY for the possessive, as in "Bret's fly is open."

Where to put it depends on the number, however. If the word or name is singular, the apostrophe goes before the "s" (Bret's fly; the dog's leash; this board's owner). If the word or name is plural ending in an "s", it goes after the "s" (several members' posts). There are exceptions, but that will cover you 99% of the time. Just remember: you almost NEVER pluralize with an apostrophe.

Example: This bullet's shank is crooked, but all the other bullets' shanks are straight.

Oldtimer
10-14-2009, 11:23 AM
We gona have an apostrophe sticky now?

45nut
10-14-2009, 11:42 AM
The "Classic's and Stickies" area is meant to be the FAQ area, I just added that note to the header there.
I am always open to nominations for threads to copy to the area.

As always, I may not implement every idea, but I will consider them for merit and act in the best interest of the forum every time.

Sometimes the idea is valid but it may be too soon to act on it, as we mature here we have added many new areas of specifics, the ultimate goal is simplicity and ease of use.

Rocky Raab
10-14-2009, 12:15 PM
Is there a plan for when the entire first page of every forum is filled with stickies? We're getting there in a big hurry!

joeb33050
10-14-2009, 12:30 PM
May I jump in?
An apostrophe preceding the ess is a shortened form of "is" following, IE it's=it is, or that's =that is
an ess at the end is indicative of the plural, so more than 1 boolit is of course boolits
the apostrophe after is used for the possessive form

Interesting conversation above, to be sure, in light of my recent experience asking what some considered a repetitive question.
I tried not to, but I'm just too weak.
In "All the Strunks came to dinner". there 's no ' needed between k and s, adding the s to Strunk makes it plural.
In "Strunk's dog ran away." the 's after Strunk makes the word the possesive. In the possesive, "Strunk's dog" was once " Strunk, his dog". Note that the pronominial possessives "hers, its, theirs, yours. ours have no '
If there are several Strunks, and they collectively own a chicken; then we get a little fowled up. It may be "Strunks's chicken", or sometimes "Strunks' chicken", but best " The chicken the Strunks have".
Forming the possesive of a word ending in s is Charles's, Burns's, but Jesus'. The 's is uncommon, awkward and difficult to get agreement on.

The ' also crops up in contractions. "Can't once was "cannot", so ' stands for "no", "won't and "would not", I'll and "I will are examples of the many.

My source is Strunk, "The Little Book", now Strunk and White since Strunk is dead. I think White is too, if not, my apologies. He must be real old!
This is the best English usage/writing book ever written, the title is "The Elements of Style" by Strunk and White.
joe b.

Rocky Raab
10-14-2009, 01:56 PM
Thanks, Joe. I didn't want to get into all the permutations and exceptions for fear of completely confusing the already confused.

In short, the apostrophe is for possessives and (almost) never for plurals.

THE most entertaining and delightful book on punctuation ever written is Eats, Shoots and Leaves by Lynne Truss. Would you ever think a book on punctuation would be a runaway best seller? Hers was and still is!

montana_charlie
10-14-2009, 02:06 PM
The purpose of the apostrophe is to take the place of unwritten letters.

When the owner of the 'subject' in a sentence ends with an 's', the apostrophe is placed after that last letter when forming a 'possessive' condition...as in...
Jess' rifle shoots accurately.

When speaking that sentence, you actually hear 'es' after "Jess". But the apostrophe takes the place of those two letters so they are not written.
The 'es' which you hear is actually an understood form of 'his'...which specifies that the rifle is his possession.

The understood 'his' is also required when the owner's name does not end with 's', as in...
Larry's rifle shoots accurately.

So, the apostrophe still replaces the understood 'his' (required to denote ownership).
Also seen in the above phrase "owner's name"...

When used in other words, the apostrophe still 'takes the place of' unwritten letters, but it is used to form 'contractions' in which those letters are unwanted and unspoken.

"I've" is a contraction of "I have".
"You're" is a contraction of "You are".
"We'll" is a contraction of "We will".
"Ain't" is a contraction of an early form of "Am not", or "Are not".
and
"Ma'am" is a contraction of "Madam".

The apostrophe replaces unwritten letters...that's (that is) all it does.

CM

azrednek
10-14-2009, 03:12 PM
We gona have an apostrophe sticky now?

Can we use them with gas checks???

Tom W.
10-14-2009, 03:21 PM
Don't leave out


Y'all, as opposed to Ya'll , which definitely ain't right.....

45nut
10-14-2009, 04:03 PM
Is there a plan for when the entire first page of every forum is filled with stickies? We're getting there in a big hurry!

That is when I start moving threads to the Classic's and Stickies area.
Makes the area just that much more valuable to the membership.

:castmine:

Bret4207
10-14-2009, 05:40 PM
Thanks to all for the apostrophe info. I never got that stuff real well and while I know I am, I hate to appear ignorant.

markinalpine
10-14-2009, 07:22 PM
Don't leave out


Y'all, as opposed to Ya'll , which definitely ain't right.....

...if you mean "Ya will..." :bigsmyl2:

Mark:mrgreen:

There was a Southern stand up comedian who had a routine explaining y'all, where he would "misunderstand" the why aye en kay ee ee esses (we aren't 'sposed to cuss anymore) who would misuse or mispronounce y'all, asking them "are you talking about a two masted sailing vessel with the cockpit astern of the mainmast? (yawl), or "did you mean one of those rental trailers you use when you skip out...er, move out of town?" (U-Haul), and others.

Rocky Raab
10-14-2009, 07:37 PM
Bret, normal ignorance is forgivable and correctable. Deliberate ignorance is not.

jbunny
10-14-2009, 07:48 PM
That is when I start moving threads to the Classic's and Stickies area.
Makes the area just that much more valuable to the membership.

:castmine:
hi; newbie to this sight. i belong to the canadiangunnutz as well. the layout is pretty
well the same. one thing i like about the CGN site is that when u start a thread
or reply to one, u are automaticly subscribe to that thread. u have the option to
unsub anytime u want. i thought this would be nice on this site. of course this
is just one mans opinioun. BTW great site
jb

waksupi
10-14-2009, 08:21 PM
one thing i like about the CGN site is that when u start a thread
or reply to one, u are automaticly subscribe to that thread. u have the option to
unsub anytime u want. i thought this would be nice on this site. of course this
is just one mans opinioun. BTW great site
jb

Go to your User CP. I believe you can set up to do that there. Welcome aboard!

montana_charlie
10-14-2009, 08:26 PM
one thing i like about the CGN site is that when u start a thread
or reply to one, u are automaticly subscribe to that thread. u have the option to
unsub anytime u want. i thought this would be nice on this site.
If that was a universal requirement on this site, I would drop it like a hot rock. I wouldn't be able to unsubscribe from threads fast enough to keep up.

If you like it, you can make it work that way for your account. The feature is available in the User CP under Settings and Options. Click on Edit Options and you will find a dropdown list of choices.
The default is Do Not Subscribe.

By the way, is it your habit to only use capitals for 'text talk' and acronyms? Nothing wrong with that. I just find it ironic in a discussion about language and grammar.

CM

jbunny
10-14-2009, 09:06 PM
If that was a universal requirement on this site, I would drop it like a hot rock. I wouldn't be able to unsubscribe from threads fast enough to keep up.

If you like it, you can make it work that way for your account. The feature is available in the User CP under Settings and Options. Click on Edit Options and you will find a dropdown list of choices.
The default is Do Not Subscribe.

By the way, is it your habit to only use capitals for 'text talk' and acronyms? Nothing wrong with that. I just find it ironic in a discussion about language and grammar.

CM

thanks cm. i just tried that
and we'll see what happens. i can see your point with
4 500 posts. i only reply to posts that i want to keep up with. now grammar and spelling is my weak point as well as computers. i do a lots better with my hands.
jb
LOL.

MtGun44
10-15-2009, 12:55 AM
Yeah, but can you shoot a gas check without a boolit?

Or do you have to use an apostrophe?

:kidding:

Bill

JRW
10-15-2009, 02:27 AM
Yeah, but can you shoot a gas check without a boolit?

Or do you have to use an apostrophe?

:kidding:

Bill

you have to use a semi colon! also refer to Victor Borge on his use of puntuation marks and there sounds, this way you can tell if the velocity is correct for your gas check.:Fire::mrgreen:

mag44uk
10-15-2009, 03:07 AM
Ah, Victor Borge. Now he was a cunning linguist! Had the pleasure of seeing him back in the 70`s when I was a student. He made me chuckle for months afterwards.
Sorry to veer the thread off course!
Tony

Tom W.
10-15-2009, 06:40 AM
I shot a gas check once,but the darn thing was too hard to clean...[smilie=b: