NOE 225 RN 60Gr.

[SwedeNelson]

OK this is one that I have played with for a fast twist 223 rem.
Would be great in a bolt action, but would have problems in a auto loader.
Push it along at about 1600 to 1800 out of a 8 or 9 twist.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=219&pictureid=1401
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=219&pictureid=1402

Any interest?

[BCall]

Just saw this, but I am in for one for sure if it gets going! I hope there are at least 15 people who want one. I'd like it a little closer to 65 gr., but will take one either way. Billy

[SwedeNelson]

Bcall

Was looking at 70Gr's but this is about all the length I could
get in a Kimber SVT. And I don't really want to put more in the
case. I think this is a good compromise.

Swede Nelson

[shooter93]

I could use one.

[dromia]

What is this unabashed desire of yours Al to bankrupt me? :groner:

Count me in. ;)

[DAFzipper]

If money is in hand, I'll be in for a 4 or 5 cavity.

[largom]

OH my aching wallet! Yes I would deffinitely want one.

[DAFzipper]

Thought there would be more interest in this one.

[Wayne S]

DAMN, I may have to go back to work[smilie=b:
The Speer .224 70 gn Semi Soft point to right at .75"long, I'll see if they will stabalize out of a 10" 22 Hornet barrel with a 1-10 twist at about 1550 fps and get back to you on this one.

[hicard]

I may be interested in an RG 4 hp GC.

[SwedeNelson]

hicard

I wish we could do it in a RG mould,
but the pins would be a real problem.

Swede Nelson

[rockrat]

You can put me down for one

[KennethF]

Hi Al, I will take one in 4 cavity w/ one HP.

[DAFzipper]

Swede, any chance you could set the pins like this cramer conversion?
17015

[SwedeNelson]

DAFzipper

We have been looking at something like it.
But not there yet.

Maybe in the near future.

Swede Nelson

[Wayne S]

Al,
Does this one require 15 orders or are you going to do it as a Small Group Buy and only need 5 ??
also PM sent

[SwedeNelson]

OK lets get this one going

This is how N.O.E. is going to run our group buy.

You can ether PM or E-mail me at (pbsco1 @ qwestoffice.net) with
what you want. Will post a running list of user name and how many
cavities / options. When we get 15 on the list the order will go in for
the tooling. It takes three to three and a half weeks for the tooling to get in.
We will keep the buy open until the tooling gets in.

At that time we will close the buy and ask you to send in your
payment.

It will take another three to four weeks to run the moulds.

Prices will be as follows:
Single cavity mould $68.00 Ea.
Double cavity mould $72.00 Ea.
Three cavity mould $79.00 Ea.
Four cavity mould $85.00 Ea.
Five cavity mould $92.00 Ea.
Plus Shipping/Handling.
Prices are subject to change at any time.
This buy will be on our small Blocks.

You can mix number of cavities in an order to make 15.
We will offer gas check only on this bullet.

Use LEE Commercial 6-Cavity handles (not included).
Lyman, RCBS type top punch furnished with each mould
as well as a sample of Bull Plate sprue plate lube.
Moulds are machined from 2024 Aluminum
Used for high strength structural and aircraft applications.
Tensile strength range 30,000 to 63,000 psi
Sprue plate (blued), alignment pins, and hardware will be
carbon steel.

Hollow pointing one cavity and furnishing a double
ended pin would be $35.00 Extra.

We will accept Checks, Money Orders and Pay-Pal
Pay-Pal requires a 3% sir-charge.

Our mailing address is:
Night Owl Enterprises
1645 W 150 N
Provo, Utah 84601
801 377-7289

Thank you for your interest in this buy.
Swede Nelson

[SwedeNelson]

List of orders:
1 BCall 5 cavity
2 largom 3 cavity w/HP extra pin
3 DAFzipper 5 cavity w/HP
4 Sav300 2 cavity, GCSD
5 Doc Highwall 4 cavity, GCSD w/S
6 Dromia 5 cavity
7 Calamity Jake 2 cavity
8 15bobcat 4 cavity w/HP
9 Rockrat 5 cavity
10 Clyde 4 cavity
11 KennethF 4 cavity w/HP
12 swamprat 4 cavity
13 gtim88 4 cavity
14 DrNick 4 cavity
15
16



Thanks
Swede Nelson

[BCall]

[smilie=w: I'm in for a 5 cavity. Thanks! Billy

[largom]

PM sent for a 3 cavity with one hollow pointed and one extra pin.

Larry

[DAFzipper]

PM sent on 1, 5 cavity with one HP option.

[largom]

Just can't believe there is not more interest in this mold. The availability of 22 Cal. molds is very slim and this is a good design especially with a hollow point. If you don't like 60 gr. just cast with lino rich alloy and you would be down around 50-55 gr.

Larry

[Barnowl]

Swede Nelson,
What twist is your Kimber?

Any and all,
Would this stabilize in a .222 Rem 700 with a 1 in 14 twist?

Thanks,
Kevin

[largom]

Barnowl,
I have shot 60gr. jacketed in my 22-250 Rem. 788 with good results. However, every barrel is an enity of it's own. IMO, 60gr. is on the top side for a 1 in 14 twist. With that in mind, I have a Savage with 1 in 9 twist that will not shoot 60gr. very well, at least not yet. A good portion of the accuracy is based upon the load.
Larry

[SwedeNelson]

barnowl

My Kimber SVT is a 1-9 twist.
I think you would have to push it
hard to get it to stabilize.
Like Largom said "A good portion
of the accuracy is based upon the load."

Al Nelson

[sav300]

Swede,please accept my order for a NOE 225 60gn two cavity mould.Post code 2327 Australia.

Please let me know the costs and I will send asap as it will take two weeks to get to you. International money order ok with you?
Sav300
Please add a gas check seater to the above order.thanks

[Doc Highwall]

SwedeNelson, I would like this in a three cavity and one of the gas check seaters with the swage feature. Let me know the shipping to 06082

[Doc Highwall]

Bump!

[rockrat]

Durn you Al and all the rest with your custom boolit designs, you know what all these custom moulds have cost me over the years:holysheep

Put me down for a 5 banger.:razz:

[Wayne S]

Back to school ,
it is not the weight of the bullet , BUT it's LENGTH that determind the rate of twist needed.
look at a box of 68/69 gn BTHP bullets it says 1-8/1-9 twist required, nor look at a box of Speer 70 gn Semi spitzer, NO twist requirements.
I've loaded the speer bullet in my 22 Hornet as a "ram load' for silhouette shooting, and I don't recall any key holeing at 100 yds, I've got some loaded up a 1-14 twist contender and will limit the speed to 2000 FPS, I'll report back with the results of speer bullet which is .75" OAL,, same as this bullets length.
I will add as others have said, each weapon is a world into it's self as to what each will shoot well

[Doc Highwall]

Bump, Bump

[largom]

I know Christmas is close and money might be tight but Swede is not asking for money right now, only a commitment. By the time we get 15, tooling is ordered, and production scheduled spring will be close enough for Groundhogs to be popping up everywhere.

This is a great opportunity for a good 22 Cal. mold. Many casters are going to be sorry they missed this one.

Larry

[Clyde]

Put me down for a 4 cavity.

[sav300]

Largom/Larry.Well put. Am hoping for more interest in this mould.I want/need this mold like a sore head,but after buying a NOE mold.I am wrapped with the quality and workmanship.Said I would never cast smaller than .250!

[Doc Highwall]

I would like to get this too try in my 40X that has a 1-8" twist. I am hoping it will shoot as good as the SAECO #315 does in my other 40X in 308Win.

[largom]

Anyone with a 1 in 9 twist Savage [most all 22 CF] should really be looking at this boolit.

Larry

[hicard]

Sign me up for a four cavity, one w/hp.

Just ordered the 22-055 NOE so please cancel this request as I think the 55 will do better in my 223 AR.

[Calamity Jake]

Put me down for a 2 cav.

[15bobcat]

Hi Swede

I'm in for a 4 Cavity W/HP. PM and Pay-Pal sent.

-Harold

[largom]

Swede, Are we getting close to making this a go?

[SwedeNelson]

largom

Should be able to get the tooling going after the holidays.

Thanks all for the orders.
Swede Nelson

[largom]

largom

Should be able to get the tooling going after the holidays.

Thanks all for the orders.
Swede Nelson


GREAT! Just let me know when you want my $.

Larry

[340six]

I may be how far are they away from being made? Will they work in my AR?

[SwedeNelson]

340six

I think you would have real feed problems with this in a AR.
Will have some of the 22-022 SP 55Gr. listed on the vendor sight.
That would be a better one for a auto loader.

Swede Nelson

[hicard]

Swede, I just ordered a 22-60 mould and would rather have a 22-55. Do you have one with hp up for sale?


Ordered the 22-055 mould and cancelled this order.

[swamprat]

I'm in for a 4 cavity.

[sav300]

Yea,getting closer to the 15 orders.Am saving like made with the hope it runs.

[sav300]

BUMP! I know I am shameless,but I like the boolit.

[largom]

This mold will eventually be run and I can see the emails flying now asking Swede if there are any extras. I might buy two and offer the other for sale, at a profit of course. I really want this boolit also.

Larry

[Kron]

Have read through all the posts in the thread regarding twists, still not real sure if this one will shoot well through my barrel. TC Encore 223. TC website says 1:12 rate for that barrel. Any ideas as to performance?

Any ideas as to when the vendor site will be up and running with the opportunity to buy one of the 55gr from the previous run I missed out on?


Thanks!
Sean

[BCall]

Have read through all the posts in the thread regarding twists, still not real sure if this one will shoot well through my barrel. TC Encore 223. TC website says 1:12 rate for that barrel. Any ideas as to performance?

Any ideas as to when the vendor site will be up and running with the opportunity to buy one of the 55gr from the previous run I missed out on?


Thanks!
Sean

Can't help about the 1-12" twist, but if you want one of the 22-55 molds, check with SwedeNelson on the vendor sponsers thread, he has some extras for sale. I really like the 5 cavity I got. Billy

[Doc Highwall]

Swede Nelson, I would like to change from a three cavity to a four cavity. I have a four cavity in the 22-055 FN coming and I thought I would like this 60gr in a four also. Thank You! Doc Highwall.

[largom]

Have read through all the posts in the thread regarding twists, still not real sure if this one will shoot well through my barrel. TC Encore 223. TC website says 1:12 rate for that barrel. Any ideas as to performance?

Any ideas as to when the vendor site will be up and running with the opportunity to buy one of the 55gr from the previous run I missed out on?


Thanks!
Sean



Most custom barrel makers state that a 22 Cal. 1 in 12 twist barrel will stabilize up to 63 gr. bullets. They are talking jacketed bullets. IMO. if you cast hard and drive fast [for the alloy] they should shoot good. Of course your load and the condition of the barrel will be considering factors.

I have a dozen TC Encore barrels and almost all required lapping before they would group to my satisfaction. I am in on this NOE buy and I intend to load this boolit for my Encore 223 and 22-250, both 1 in 12 twist.

Larry

[Doc Highwall]

I do not know the length of Speer's 70 gr. 22 cal Semi Spitz SP part number 1053, but Speer lists loads for the 22-250 Rem that have a 1-14" twist as slow as 1711fps with 13.0 grs of SR 4759. I think this will be even better in a faster twist with no problem.

[Doc Highwall]

Bump Bump

[KennethF]

Al, please add me to the list for one NOE 225 RN 60 Gr. in 4 cavity w/ one HP. Thanks

Ken
Orem, Ut.

[largom]

Do we have the 15 required orders yet? Has tooling been ordered?
Sorry to say we are not on the schedule yet.

Larry

[gtim88]

Please put me in for a 4 cavity
Thanks
Tim

[Doc Highwall]

Bump Bump

[Wayne S]

I do not know the length of Speer's 70 gr. 22 cal Semi Spitz SP part number 1053, but Speer lists loads for the 22-250 Rem that have a 1-14" twist as slow as 1711fps with 13.0 grs of SR 4759. I think this will be even better in a faster twist with no problem.
I just measured three of the Speer 70 gn. bullets,
1..797
2..794
3..797
Just a thought ,By useing the FP top punch from the 22-55FP or another FP TP, this bullet could be shortened just a bit, it probably wouldn't effect stability but would effect it's killing power

[Wayne S]

Al,
With the Wt. of the 55 FP coming out at 58.7 to 59.2 out of WW , What do you Est. the Wt. of this to be ? and are you cutting these for WW alloy like the 55-FP ??
I'll load up some of the Speer 70's and see what they do at 105 Yds out of my 13" .223 Contender with it's 1-12 twist. Speet lists the load at 1720 out of a 24" bbl. so I'm guessing about 1500 +- from the 13" Bbl. ????

[Wayne S]

Hell, to get this one in the works I'll take one in 5 cavity.
This should give us the 15 required to get this puppy on the books and in the works .
Now to find me a Left Handed Savage in 223 with the 1-9 twist :lol::lol::lol

[Wayne S]

Are you ready to start coillecting the $$$

[Wayne S]

http://http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmstab-5.0.cgi
Here is something to "play" with while being weathered in.
Strange how you can increase the weight of the bullet and either increase the stability factor OR lower the required speed for a good stability factor. ????

[Doc Highwall]

Bump Bump only one more to go.

[Wayne S]

List of orders:
1 BCall 5 cavity
2 largom 3 cavity w/HP extra pin
3 DAFzipper 5 cavity w/HP
4 Sav300 2 cavity, GCSD
5 Doc Highwall 4 cavity, GCSD w/S
6 Dromia 5 cavity
7 Calamity Jake 2 cavity
8 15bobcat 4 cavity w/HP
9 Rockrat 5 cavity
10 Clyde 4 cavity
11 KennethF 4 cavity w/HP
12 swamprat 4 cavity
13 gtim88 4 cavity
14 DrNick 4 cavity
15 Wayne S
16



Thanks
Swede Nelson
And that makes 15

[sundog]

and 1 more makes 16. I would like to have a 4 hole.

[largom]

Swede, are you counting? WE GOT 16!

Larry

[SwedeNelson]

Largom

Thank you sir!

Will get this one on the delivery schedule.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showpost.php?p=778655&postcount=1
Will put out a PM for money about three weeks before it goes to the shop.
Will take orders up to that time.

Swede Nelson

[sav300]

Swede Nelson,new computer is up and running.
Waiting for the price information.Thanks.
sav300.

[Little Doc]

Question--Any thoughts on this in a Rem788 in 222rem. stock gun.
thanks,
m

[Wayne S]

Question--Any thoughts on this in a Rem788 in 222rem. stock gun.
thanks,
m

Little Doc,
You need to check the twist in your barrel BUT I think Rem. used a 1-14 twist espically when they were making the 788's.
The 1-14 twist is to slow for this .75" long bullet. your best bet is to keep an eye open for a mold that throws a 55 gn or less bullet

[hammerhead357]

Ok put me in for a 4 cavity mould. I just hope it will work in a Contender. Don't see why it wouldn't.....Wes

[Wayne S]

Ok put me in for a 4 cavity mould. I just hope it will work in a Contender. Don't see why it wouldn't.....Wes
Wes,
The .224 bore Contenders all have a 1-12 twist, push them at 1900 fps or better and there shouldn't be a stability problem.

[hammerhead357]

Thanks Wayne. I hope Al sees my last post. I think I make 17 takers on this but...
Wes

[hammerhead357]

Swede help me plan a little here. When do you think this is going to close? I am on some other GBs and need to plan how to pay for them without upsetting SWMBO....Wes

[SwedeNelson]

hammerhead357

It looks like we will close it the middle of July.

Swede Nelson

[SwedeNelson]

List of orders:
1 BCall 5 cavity
2 largom 3 cavity w/HP extra pin
3 DAFzipper 5 cavity w/HP
4 Sav300 2 cavity, GCSD
5 Doc Highwall 4 cavity, GCSD w/S
6 Dromia 5 cavity
7 Calamity Jake 2 cavity
8 15bobcat 4 cavity w/HP
9 Rockrat 5 cavity
10 Clyde 4 cavity
11 KennethF 4 cavity w/HP
12 swamprat 4 cavity
13 gtim88 4 cavity
14 DrNick 4 cavity
15 Wayne S 5 cavity
16 hannerhead357 4 cavity
17 shooter93 3 cavity
18 MT Chambers 5 cavity
19 zooly 4 cavity w/HP
20 sundog 4 cavity
21
22
23
24

Thanks
Swede Nelson

[MT Chambers]

Swede: I'll take a 5 cavity, for up here in Canada...let me know the damage....

[zooly]

I have logged on to the "group buy area", but can't find this mold listed. What's wrong? I want one 4 hole with 1 cav HP. Zip 98620

Brad Hall

[Doc Highwall]

Post a I want one here and PM SwedeNelson.