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45 2.1
04-21-2006, 09:56 PM
the following posts are what I and Catshooter have been working on for a long time. thanks everybody for their patience. The "original" samples are as old as we can find and some are a composite of several versions of the same mold number. You will note that the "Keith" version and the "GB" Group Buy version don't quite look the same. You judge for yourself which you would want. The GB versions are drawn from good releaseing, good shooting samples that a lot of people have. So, on with the show.

The 358429:

45 2.1
04-21-2006, 09:57 PM
The 41 Mag H&G Keith design:

45 2.1
04-21-2006, 09:59 PM
The 429421:

45 2.1
04-21-2006, 10:00 PM
The 454424:

Beau Cassidy
04-21-2006, 10:45 PM
358429- Keith.
.41- Don't have one. Don't need one.
429421- Keith
454424- GB.

Truth be known, I wouldn't kick any of them out of bed...

Beau

Blacktail 8541
04-21-2006, 10:55 PM
I like the group buy designs on all 4, Only question I have is what are the proposed weights?

keeper89
04-21-2006, 11:01 PM
I'd be interested in either keith or gb in 358 and 429 so keep us posted on when you think the buy will go down.........:twisted:

old goat
04-22-2006, 12:35 AM
...When I clicked on the images, and enlarged them, they were easier to compare. For the 358429, I liked the GB best.

...45 2.1......As usual, good job on the drawings.


...old goat

GregP42
04-22-2006, 02:09 AM
The 41 Mag H&G Keith design:


I like the GB one better, looks like it will drop from a mold much better.

Greg

ddixie884
04-22-2006, 02:21 AM
What is the nominal weight of each caliber? THANX.

David R
04-22-2006, 06:46 AM
I have a 358429 square lube groove. It hangs in the mold something terrible. GB = Much better. They tell me Elmer made the grooves square to hold more lube. It doesn't need MORE lube. It has plenty for anything I do.

David

Just a note, some of us can't afford to buy 3 or 4 molds all at once. One at a time is all I can handle. The 38 one is first on my list and The only one I don't want is the 41.

Nice job guys
David

45 2.1
04-22-2006, 08:14 AM
The "Keith" drawings are for comparison only! The square corners are something that you won't like to cast with.

The weights are just about what they normally would be. The diameters are below each set of drawings.

fatnhappy
04-22-2006, 10:15 AM
I like the group buy .41 and .44. What are we looking at for diameter specs or haven't those been fleshed out yet?

Antietamgw
04-22-2006, 10:22 AM
358429 GB

If it goes, I'm in for 1.

Wayne Dobbs
04-22-2006, 12:03 PM
I vote the GB version on all and I'm in for one each of the .38, .44 and .45.

Wayne Dobbs

Bear4570
04-22-2006, 12:48 PM
Being a traditionalist, I have used and appreciated the Orginal Keith for many years and did not think that there could be much of an improvement. I stand corrected, put me down for at least one of the GB molds in each caliber.
Preferably one buy at a time. Nice job.

Murphy
04-22-2006, 03:00 PM
First and foremost,

Catshooter, 45 2.1 ...many thanks gentlemen. I know a lot of hard work and effort has gone into this project. Most will probably never know just how much, for this...I can never thank the two of you enough.

Secondly: You can count me in for 2 each of the 358429 & 429421 molds.

Third: From the looks of the above postings thus far, the GB mold is going to be the absolute winner.

Many Thanks,

Murphy

Scrounger
04-22-2006, 03:10 PM
First and foremost,

Catshooter, 45 2.1 ...many thanks gentlemen. I know a lot of hard work and effort has gone into this project. Most will probably never know just how much, for this...I can never thank the two of you enough.

Secondly: You can count me in for 2 each of the 358429 & 429421 molds.

Third: From the looks of the above postings thus far, the GB mold is going to be the absolute winner.

Many Thanks,

Murphy

May just be coincidence, but there is a custom mold on EBAY that has 2 cavities of 358429 and 2 of 429421.. A guy could probably buy a 6 banger of each of those here for what that one will sell for...

StarMetal
04-22-2006, 03:27 PM
Scrounger...what happen to Carpetman...someone piss him off again?

Joe

porkchop bob
04-22-2006, 03:27 PM
I like the GB style. Am interested in all four. Would buy two in 41 as that one will seldom be available. Please space the four over a eight month period to allow us to buy something else during the 'even' months.

Thanks, Bob

Scrounger
04-22-2006, 03:34 PM
Scrounger...what happen to Carpetman...someone piss him off again?

Joe

Have no idea, haven't heard from him in awhile. The first thought that comes to mind for us old farts is health problems. Example: Six months ago my brother-in-law was in pretty good health, enjoying the Vegas food and lifestyle. Last week he came home from the hospital; prognosis: a month or less. It can be just like that. Sure hope CarpetMan is OK.

LIMPINGJ
04-22-2006, 04:26 PM
I would like 1 of each. Hopefully spread out over a little time to recover funds from all these great group buys.
Jim

Johnch
04-22-2006, 05:12 PM
If spaced out a little , I would take 1 of each 454424 , 429421 and 358429 group buy molds .
Maybe even a 41 funds are avable .

Johnch

Dutch4122
04-22-2006, 08:35 PM
I'm in for all of them. As the others have said please just space them out every couple of months so that the "secret fund" isn't strained.

Many thanks to all those involved. This was definately worth the wait.

Catshooter, I'd also be interested in that heavy Keith .45 you've mentioned in other posts.

Catshooter
04-23-2006, 12:59 AM
Dutch,

I haven't forgotten about the heavy .45. I may propose one in about 270-280, and then something about 315-325. We'll see. I've posted the group buy thread for the first in the series, by the way.


Cat

Tristan
04-28-2006, 09:33 PM
I'm going to budget for at least one of each...

Thanks to each and every one of you for your efforts to bring this to fruition! :drinks:

Tristan

dragonrider
05-08-2006, 08:29 PM
I could go for all except the 454424, but that could change also.
And since I am into three GB's now, I also would like to see them spaced out some.
I would go for the GB of each.

klausg
05-08-2006, 08:40 PM
Put me down for the .41.

-SSG Klaus

JudgeBAC
05-11-2006, 09:45 PM
I like all of the GB designs; dont like the thought of banging them out of the mold like you do on the Keith square groove design. I would be interested in one each if spaced far enough apart (every other month?) Dont want to bust the fund you know. Great drawings by the way. Thanks for the effort.

mroliver77
05-15-2006, 07:17 PM
I have the 452423 GB mold. It has been really stubborn letting go of boolits. I LEEmented itand examined with a loup(sp?). I went to Lead/tin 30/1 anf they fall out much better. Mebbe this is partly why they were happy with the design back in the day? BITD I sure hope the 454424 drops at least .454 in WW, I will be a happy camper. Jay

alamogunr
05-26-2006, 03:47 PM
I would go for one of each. Good .41 molds are hard to come by. I've been eyeing a SAECO mold but the $ are a lot more. If these can be spread out some, I think I can swing it. Just retired this month and haven't figured out if I'm going to have forego eating or casting. Right now I can live off the "fat of the land" for a month or two.

John
"alamogunr"

caneman
06-21-2006, 08:39 AM
Getting back to casting after many years away. I'll take a 41Mag.GB

Do you keep track of us? I sometimes forget to check back on things. As soon as you get the cost I can send the check and then not worry about it till it gets here.

Cayoot
06-21-2006, 09:06 AM
Great job you guys! I like the GB version of each one and will buy one of each and probably 2 of the .41.

I do have one request though, is there anyway to widen the meplat a small touch on the .44 and .41?

I have the saeco 220 grn .41 and it would be great except the edges on the meplat are not sharp at all. They are pretty rounded off and so I don't feel comfortable using it for hunting. Too bad, it is a nice 4 banger and I paid lots of $$ for it from Paul Jones. Oh well, my loss.

Maybe it's just me, but the meplats on the .44 and .41 gb versions seem just a tad smaller than on the Keith versions. I'm always looking for the largest meplats that I can get. :-D

Regardless, I'm still gonna buy all of them.

Thanks again!

Catshooter
06-21-2006, 08:14 PM
caneman,

I don't keep track of who wants what. I would if I was making money off the deals. Also, I don't know when the .41 will go so I can't tell you cost. You'll just have to watch.

Cayoot,

Determining exactly the meplat size Keith had in mind is pretty tough. He was working in the early stages of the craft, and meplats weren't expressed in % like is common now. He picked the widest meplat that would still give him long range accracy. Accracy starts to fall off with a meplat over a certain size, that's why full wadcutters aren't much used past 50 yards.

We're just doing the best we can with the data we've dug up.


Cat

Cayoot
06-21-2006, 10:32 PM
Determining exactly the meplat size Keith had in mind is pretty tough. He was working in the early stages of the craft, and meplats weren't expressed in % like is common now. He picked the widest meplat that would still give him long range accracy. Accracy starts to fall off with a meplat over a certain size, that's why full wadcutters aren't much used past 50 yards.

We're just doing the best we can with the data we've dug up.
Cat

I'm sure you are Buddy, thanks. I don't mean to sound picky, I just thought I'd through out the thought. I'm in regardless of what the final meplat looks like.

Thanks

TCLouis
06-21-2006, 11:08 PM
Seriously why not get 4 Honchos and open orders to 35, 41, 44, 45 caliber molds and as each mold order reaches 25-30 orders, close it and go forward with that order.

Luckily unles someone go nuts and designs a 33 caliber mold, this will complete my mold desires!

felix
06-21-2006, 11:54 PM
Lyman Keith molds typically have a 62 percent meplat of those I have (358,410,430). ... felix

Catshooter
06-22-2006, 09:08 PM
No sweat cayoot, I was just explaining the line of thinking.

TC,

No sweat here too. Are you saying you want to honcho some or all of the rest of the series? Cool! :drinks:

I'm only running one at a time because many people seem to be able to afford it better that way. If it was just up to me I'd do 'em all together and be done with the bloody waiting.

felix,

"My Lyman Keiths" Are they all Lyman ? If so, as I'm sure you realize they aren't really what Keith designed. Now if you have a bunch of Ideal Keiths that all have square lube grooves, well, both me and 45 2.1 might want to have words with ya in some dark alley somewhere some late night! [smilie=1: :Fire: [smilie=1: You couda maybe saved us nine months of work.


Cat

ebner glocken
06-22-2006, 10:46 PM
I'm highly interested in a Kieth .41. Hard to run across a decent one worth the money. We looking at 58 bucks again?

475/480
06-23-2006, 04:11 PM
Hi,
If you need a Honcho ,I would do the 41 or 35 if you want some help,give me the go ahead and as soon as I send the 32 Keith GB in to Lee I will start the 41 K.
I should have the 32 K drawing by next week and I could start the 41 K late next week if you want to.

Sean

[QUOTE=Catshooter]No sweat cayoot, I was just explaining the line of thinking.

TC,

No sweat here too. Are you saying you want to honcho some or all of the rest of the series? Cool! :drinks:

I'm only running one at a time because many people seem to be able to afford it better that way. If it was just up to me I'd do 'em all together and be done with the bloody waiting.

Catshooter
06-23-2006, 08:19 PM
475,

You know, if you want to run a .41 I think that'd be great. I think that one will have a lot less demand so it may take longer to get to 25, if you do.

I don't think running concurrently with my .357 (which I'm ready to go with) would be a problem for most other people.

You might hook up with 45 2.1 about the drawing and such.


Cat

475/480
06-26-2006, 06:55 AM
475,

You know, if you want to run a .41 I think that'd be great. I think that one will have a lot less demand so it may take longer to get to 25, if you do.

I don't think running concurrently with my .357 (which I'm ready to go with) would be a problem for most other people.

You might hook up with 45 2.1 about the drawing and such.


Cat

Thanks,
I will do ,as soon as I send in the 32 K GB to Lee I will start the 41 K.

Thanks Sean

Bodydoc447
06-26-2006, 11:45 AM
Thanks for all the hard work and effort put into this series!! I will be in on the 38, 41 and 44 moulds for sure.

Good looking bullets, all!

Doc

dmdracer
06-26-2006, 04:46 PM
hey cat,
I'm not trying to be pushy :) but any idea when you are going to start the 38/357 mould. I want to get in on this one and keep checking in.
thanks for running these group buys, I'm sure they are alot of work... and fun too !
:drinks:
Dave

j4570
07-02-2006, 10:22 PM
Cat,

soon as you are up to it, post the 357 mold, cause I am definately interested in that one, after that, my interest is going to wane, unfortunately. Maybe thru the 44 but definately not til the 41.

Thanks

JW

old goat
07-02-2006, 11:02 PM
...j4570....The 357 group buy has been posted a couple days now. It's a "sticky" at the upper portion of the group buy page. Jump on board!
...The 41 GB is also going, being run by 475/480. It's a "sticky" also.

...old goat

j4570
07-03-2006, 06:07 PM
OK,

silly me, don't know how I missed it, I'm in now.

Duh.

JW

alamogunr
07-31-2006, 09:19 AM
Where does this series of Keith GB's stand? I know that I am in on the .357 and the .41, but not sure about the .45. I think that it was called 452424 Keith. If so, I assume that the .44 Keith is the only one left in the proposed Keith series. Can someone either confirm or dispute this?

45 2.1
07-31-2006, 09:33 AM
Where does this series of Keith GB's stand? I know that I am in on the .357 and the .41, but not sure about the .45. I think that it was called 452424 Keith. If so, I assume that the .44 Keith is the only one left in the proposed Keith series. Can someone either confirm or dispute this?

Correct!

Idahoser
07-31-2006, 09:49 AM
Correct!
Umm... Are you saying the .45 Catshooter Kieth is supposed to be up? I didn't see it.

I did see the .41 and .357, I haven't missed any, have I?

45 2.1
07-31-2006, 10:00 AM
Umm... Are you saying the .45 Catshooter Kieth is supposed to be up? I didn't see it.

I did see the .41 and .357, I haven't missed any, have I?

Go here: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=7161&page=2

Idahoser
07-31-2006, 10:55 AM
Thanks. My eyes are bigger than my wallet anyway, I'm still sitting on a 30-30 mold, don't even have a furnace yet, so don't feel too bad for me.

Cayoot
08-09-2008, 03:13 PM
Would buy two in 41 as that one will seldom be available.
Thanks, Bob

I feel the same way...

Also:
Any chance of a 452423? That is my carry load in my Taurus PT 145 Millennium. I can't believe how reliable that little pistol is with that SWC. My choice for a self defense boolit in a short barreled handgun is always a SWC.

I only have one 452423 (from a gb about 3 years ago). I sure would like to have another one or two!

Catshooter
08-09-2008, 06:38 PM
Cayoot,

Can't see re-running the whole series and leaving out the 452423 now. Just wouldn't make no kinda sense 'way I look at it.


Cat

2 dogs
08-09-2008, 06:52 PM
Need the 41 style myself....

timkelley
08-09-2008, 09:08 PM
41 and 45 but a month or two apart.

Tigman
12-10-2008, 10:45 PM
I'm in for the 45424 as well as others on this list!!

Mark

Powderpacker
12-11-2008, 07:43 AM
Cayoot,
Can't see re-running the whole series and leaving out the 452423 now. Just wouldn't make no kinda sense 'way I look at it.
Cat
Great !
I like the looks of the lube groove on the Catshooter Keith .45 better than the lube grooves on other .45 G.B.'s so I'll wait for this one.
Cat , do you have a tenative schedual for these G.B.'s yet ?

joey02g
12-11-2008, 08:53 AM
I'd take the GB version of each one and 2 of the .41.
Thanks for the hard work!

Joey02g

Catshooter
12-11-2008, 02:00 PM
Powderpacker,

Yea, delivery was about a year ago. :) Nice moulds, too.

Look at the dates on the last posts, this is an old thread gentlemen. Sorry.


Cat

Powderpacker
12-11-2008, 03:26 PM
Powderpacker,

Yea, delivery was about a year ago. :) Nice moulds, too.

Look at the dates on the last posts, this is an old thread gentlemen. Sorry.


Cat
Cat ,
I was referring to your post of 08/08/2008 titled "The Catshooter has returned" where you said you would like to re-run the Keith series of group buys. Are those buys still in the works ?

Catshooter
12-11-2008, 04:16 PM
Oh, sorry PP, I misunderstood.

Yes, it is still my intention to re-run all of the Keiths. We just did the 32.

I have been a bit reluctant to leap right in with them as the response I've gotten on the last two buys I've done has been very low, very slow. Between the troubles we've had with Lee and the wonderful economy our "leaders" are handing us people aren't wanting spend it like they were a couple years back.

But I will come up with the rest of the calibers, it'll just take some time.


Cat

SPRINGFIELDM141972
12-11-2008, 04:23 PM
Boy, when I saw the this title in bold, I got all excited. Then I looked at the dates.:( Oh well whenever we get around to the re-run, I'm in.:mrgreen:

Regards,
Everett

smlekid
12-11-2008, 04:57 PM
I would like a 358429 when there is another GB

Powderpacker
12-11-2008, 06:42 PM
But I will come up with the rest of the calibers, it'll just take some time.
Cat
Great! Thanks, Cat. How many, uh, unmarked bills would it take to get the .45 moved to the front of the line ? (Hey, it works in Chicago)

Tigman
12-11-2008, 07:03 PM
Dead Presidents always work!!LOL!!

ddeaton
12-11-2008, 08:59 PM
I am in for them when you rerun

emmie
12-12-2008, 08:48 AM
I would like a Keith/GB in
357
44
45lc
let me know when this starts up again