.50-95 load data, anybody ?

[muleequestrian]

I just bought a Uberti Winchester 1876 in .50-95..... does anyone out there have any load data for this caliber ?

Cimmaron suggests IMR 4198 but in such a small amount... I'd rather go with AA 5744 or something else that might fill up the case better. Other than black powder, that is. At this price I want to shoot something a bit cleaner burning.

Thanks guys.

[Baron von Trollwhack]

By all means shoot 5744. If you think of 29% of the BP load by weight equivalent to a workng load of imr 4198, you could start near 25 grains of 5744. See Donally's big manual of cartridge conversions for the discussion. BvT

to edit, that book lists a 350 grain lead bullet, 23 grains of 4198, and velocity of 1350 fps, sourced as Barnes, probablt from COTW.

[muleequestrian]

THANKS ! Data for this cartridge is nearly impossible to find for some reason. Can't figure why a company would sell a gun / ammo combo and publish no data. Then I saw the price per box of factory loads. About 80 bucks a box. Nice scam I'd say. Then again, these guns are not just flooding the market right now.

[Skipper]

How about TrailBoss to the base of the bullet?

[Baron von Trollwhack]

I would not even think of pulling the trigger on that load, boss. BvT

[Skipper]

I would not even think of pulling the trigger on that load



Why not?

http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17838&p=214467

[muleequestrian]

Why not?

http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17838&p=214467

Now I have heard of this before with the Trail Boss powder. I think from my CBA " Fouling Shot " mag. Something about this powder was supposed to be a remake of an older semi-smokeless formula. But I err on the side of caution when it comes to voodoo loads you hear about. I checked out your link too. Thanks ! I'm going to check back there from time to time and see the results.

I've had a few guys tell me to load with black powder in this gun. Come over to the DARKSIDE they say. OK, maybe later.... but I live in Maine. The humidity in the Downeast area will cause the black powder residue to cake up too much for my liking. I really don't want to have to clean that much fouling from a levergun action. This is supposed to be FUN to shoot, not such a chore to scrub clean.

Any other powder loading data you can think of will be GREATLY appreciated. Eventually I'll start wrapping the projectiles in paper jackets. I like how clean they are in my model 95 Winchester in .30-06.

[Skipper]

:smile::smile:

It isn't voodoo. It's one of the better powders to come around in a while. I use it in my .50-90. Anything between 70 and 100% load density without compression is the proper load range.

Check with IMR, they'll probably call you....they did me.

help@imrpowder.com

913-362-9455

[hemiallen]

I've been looking at a cimmaron in 50-95 for a couple of weeks, but found on their website that caliber/ twist they use barely stabilizes the 350 grain bullets?

Sounds like they didn't do any research before putting barrels on them.

Allen

[Skipper]

The original twist was 60" . The Cimmaron 48" should be just fine. If you have problems, increase the velocity for a few more RPM's.


Cimmaron gives load data for the 375 gn bullet:

http://www.chaparralarms.com/specs/calibers.htm

[hemiallen]

Yes, and I made a mistake. The gun I am looking at is a Chaparral, and this is what I was refering to"
History of 50-95 caliber

The largest calibre for the Winchester Model 1876 "Centennial" rifle. Rifles of this calibre were sometimes called the “Cat Gun” due to the fact that many of them were used in Africa and India on lions and tigers.
The short 300 grain express bullet had a reputation of delivering a tremendous blow up close on soft skinned game, but was also known to loose it’s velocity quickly at extended ranges due to it’s fat and stubby bullet shape.

Rifles have a barrel twist rate of approximately 1 in 60”, so it is unlikely that bullets heavier than 350 grains will stabilise.





I suspect my error was assuming this paragraph was about the gun, but I think it is , as you noted, just a history lesson and not a statement about the Chapparal gun I am considering.

Allen

[Chuck 100 yd]

I have a .50-95 mod 76 and have shot IMR 4198 in the loadings suggested of 23gr. under a cast bullet of 350gr. If the barrel is tilted up to place the powder next to the primer, all is good and groups small, but if you forget and dont tilt it up the next bullet will stop some 6 to 8 " up the bore. BAD DEAL !!!

I have tested Trail Boss with tha same bullet and I can tell you 14gr. is just a sweet load giving a little over 1100 fps and groups of 1" at 50yd. Soft recoiling and clean. A kid could shoot it all day long.

Here is a link to a report I did on it.
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,26375.0.html

Don`t think Trail Boss can be loaded bulk like black powder. It can in certain cases but in the .50-95 and cases like the .45-90 or .45-110 a case full would be an overload!! take care! Chuck

[Skipper]

If you check with IMR, they will tell you that a case full is not an overload as long as you don't compress the powder. It isn't a bulk load. You measure the case capacity to the base of the seated bullet in grains........this is the max load. 70% of that is the starting load.

[Chuck 100 yd]

I am sure you are correct my friend. I don`t like to push the toggle link rifles that hard though. Just me I guess.
The data in the Lyman # 49 suggests you are right on with the full but not compressed load though but they have no data for the .50-95 YET!!!

[Chuck 100 yd]

A little added info. My rifle is a Chaparral with 28" bbl.
With all the complaing about these rifles, I wonder why my rifle is just fine and has given me no problems.
I have shot it with black and wads and 1/8" compression ( all the things that make my .40-65 BPCR rifle shoot into under an inch at 100yd. but the .50-95 will not group under 4" at 50yd.
With the same bullet and Trail Boss it will and has made one ragged hole groups at 50yd. with its factory front and a Marbles tang rear.

The CH4-D dies I bought first form a shoulder on the case and it is fire formed back out when fired. I think they are the proper dies for the Uberti with their modern rendition of the chamber. The new RCBS Legacy dies cost 1/3 rd. the price and are correct for the Chaparral chamber. I will make someone a great deal on those dies. $50 ???

I cast my bullets in Lyman mold 515139 that has had the bevel base machined out of it and size them to .513 .

Have fun!!

[muleequestrian]

A little added info. My rifle is a Chaparral with 28" bbl.
With all the complaing about these rifles, I wonder why my rifle is just fine and has given me no problems.
I have shot it with black and wads and 1/8" compression ( all the things that make my .40-65 BPCR rifle shoot into under an inch at 100yd. but the .50-95 will not group under 4" at 50yd.
With the same bullet and Trail Boss it will and has made one ragged hole groups at 50yd. with its factory front and a Marbles tang rear.

The CH4-D dies I bought first form a shoulder on the case and it is fire formed back out when fired. I think they are the proper dies for the Uberti with their modern rendition of the chamber. The new RCBS Legacy dies cost 1/3 rd. the price and are correct for the Chaparral chamber. I will make someone a great deal on those dies. $50 ???

I cast my bullets in Lyman mold 515139 that has had the bevel base machined out of it and size them to .513 .

Have fun!!

So a 350 grain boolit with a starting charge of 14 grains of Trail Boss is the ticket ? THANKS ! Just what I been wanting to know !
I ain't sure if my 76 is a Chapparal or not. I bought it from a gun shop locally. The barrel says Stoeger on top of it. I'm going to give this a try as soon as I get into town and find a can of TB.

[Skipper]

muleequestrian, no one knows what your case capacity is or what bullet you're going to use, so do it from scratch:

Mark the case at the depth of a seated bullet

Fill to this level with TrailBoss

Weigh the charge

70% of this is the start load

100% is the max load


Good Luck!:-P

[Chuck 100 yd]

muleequestrian , My Uberti 73 in .45 Colt is marked Stoger on the barrel but is made by Uberti. Stoger is an importer and not the maker.

[muleequestrian]

muleequestrian , My Uberti 73 in .45 Colt is marked Stoger on the barrel but is made by Uberti. Stoger is an importer and not the maker.

I sort of figured that..... my two break top Schofields have different marks on their barrels. One says Stoeger, the other says Navy Arms. BOTH pistols say Uberti on them. Made in Italy. Stiil shoot great no matter what's stamped on the guns.

[wwmartin]

I bought a Uberti 76 in 50-95 a year ago. After making brass from Star-line 50-90 and fireformed with 5744 I started looking for SR4759 loading data and have come up empty. Using the 40% of the black powder load as a starting come up with 36grn for 90 grn BP and 38grn for 95. Does Anyone have a manual with data for SR4759 with the 330 grn Lyman 315139 it would be apreaciated.

Bill

[veeman]

https://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,52209.0.html

[Dan Cash]

Were I lucky enough to have a 76 in 50-95, I would be filing cases with Olde Eynsford black powder and never look back. It works like a hero for my first year Marlin 1893, .38-55.

[Plastikosmd]

Pics of the rifle?
Would love to see

I have a 50-110 and was hoping to glean some knowledge on a smokeless load in these posts. (Not loading for bear, just fun)

[missionary5155]

Good evening
When we bought our's years back I looked all over for load info... nothing.
So did some searching on webs and found what the old Winchester ammo loads were in BP. I tried to get enough Goex 2F in a case to come close to the Winchester load. Then I remembered Winchester was using the old balloon head cases so thus had more space to work with.
So I switched to 3F Goex and got the velocity I was looking for. I also dropped the 285 grain slug for a 350 grainer as the extra weight makes a big difference on impact.
Next I wanted to know about a smokeless load … again no imformation.
So I called Western Powders (they bought out the ACCurate line of powders). A very helpful tech took my cartridge specs and ran some info through his computer with 5744 as the powder.
With that load info I ladder shot loads over my Crony until it matched my 3F Goex 350 grain velocity of 1465 fps.
So 5744 and 3F Goex are the two loads we shoot in our 1876 repro. The 3F load is 1/4-3/8 inch more accurate at 100 yards. With 3F goex we can get a max of 87 grains into the case with one cereal box wad under the 350 grain slug. With 3F loads off cross sticks I can shoot 2.5 inch groups at100 yards with no trouble. WE use 55% bees wax mixed with olive for lube. Swab after 10 rounds.

We started at 27 grain 5744 with the 350 grain slug cast with range scrap or 40-1. We added one grain until we reached our desired velocity of 1465 fps. Both slugs shoot the same so we use range scrap for all plinking.
Probably will try some 4198 this next time north.
Mike in LLama Land

[ndnchf]

FYI, from my loading log I have a few chronographed loads:

Lyman 515139, 343gr bullet & 30.0gr of 5744 = 1272 avg fps

Lyman 515139, 343gr bullet & 36.0gr of 5744 = 1501 avg fps

Rapine 350gr bullet & 83.0gr of Swiss 1.5 = 1503 avg fps