9x17?

[briang]

I found a handful of brass marked 9x17 at the range today, never heard of it before. Is this a rare caliber?

[zxcvbob]

I think that's just .380 Auto. (so, yeah it's kind of rare lately)

[Trey45]

9x17 = 9mm Kurtz, 380 Auto, 9mm Browning
9x18 = 9mm Makarov
9x19 = 9mm Luger, 9mm Parabellum

[GabbyM]

380 auto, 9mm Kurtz, 9 x 17
all the same . They are worth about a nickel each if reloadable.

[briang]

Well that was kind of a let down, thought i had something special. Thanks guys.

[markinalpine]

Don't forget the 9x23, or 9mm Largo

Mark

[Trey45]

And 9x25 Dillon for that matter :)

[beagle]

And don't forget the .356......Picked up some of those in the range take one day and said, "What the hell?"/beagle

[9.3X62AL]

Or (trivia caliber prize claimed) the 9 x 18 Ultra. Same length as the Makarov, same diameter as the 380 ACP, it was developed to give a bit more oomph to the 380 ACP--which has the reputation for raising quite a welt. I think SIG-Sauer and Walther made a few pistols for it, seems like the Euros wanted in on the 38 Special-to-357 Magnum upgrade, but a lot got lost in translation. I actually have a couple live rounds of RWS ammo in this caliber, probably in the same shop drawer with the left-hand threaded Chrysler lug nuts from the 70s.

[StarMetal]

Or (trivia caliber prize claimed) the 9 x 18 Ultra. Same length as the Makarov, same diameter as the 380 ACP, it was developed to give a bit more oomph to the 380 ACP--which has the reputation for raising quite a welt. I think SIG-Sauer and Walther made a few pistols for it, seems like the Euros wanted in on the 38 Special-to-357 Magnum upgrade, but a lot got lost in translation. I actually have a couple live rounds of RWS ammo in this caliber, probably in the same shop drawer with the left-hand threaded Chrysler lug nuts from the 70s.

Al,

I remember if you go back further then the 70's, say to the 50's, I remember my Dad's mopar products have both left hand threaded lug nuts and lug bolts!!!!

Joe

[mike in co]

and you missed 9x21......i have two.
one is a factory cz85 and the other is a converted9x19 cz85.
the round was the results of some contries not allowing the civilian populace to own gun in the mil/police caliber. take a 9x19 gun, run the reamer in 2mm load ammo in 2mm longer brass and the government was happy.(italy, mexico and ???)

this was simple and easy way around the restrictions. the problem was it was a manufactures cartridge, not in the cip nor saami specs. most loaded the same as 9mm/luger/nato etc. then along comes ipsc competition. as there was no specs for the round, it could be and was loaded to meet MAJOR( 175 power factor, bullet weight x velocity/1000). this was up over 42,000psi. (135's at 1300 fps is 175.5.....)
while a steel on steel gun( like my cz) could handle the load for a long time, not all guns were so strong....some failed....and then all 9mm rounds were banned from major. since 38super is not"9mm" it was not banned.
there is a second 9x21. it was based on large frame guns like a 1911. these have an oal much longer than the 1.169 unsed on 9mm based guns. caution must be used in establishing ANY 9x21 ammo.
i currently shoot nosler 135(38/357) bullets and the 135 gb cast in my 9x21's.


and then 9mm largo....

and

mike in co

[Bob Krack]

Al,
I remember if you go back further then the 70's, say to the 50's, I remember my Dad's mopar products have both left hand threaded lug nuts and lug bolts!!!!
Joe
My 1950 Dodge business coupe, 3 speed manual, 6 cylinder, fluid drive, had right hand threads on lug nuts and bolts on one side and left hand threads on lug nuts and bolts on the other side.

Don't remember which side for which for sure though.

Bob

[EMC45]

Don't forget the 9X21 too.

[mike in co]

Don't forget the 9X21 too.

you would be about 6 hours late with that comment..look up two posts

mike in co

[beagle]

Yeah, I leaned that in the rain one time while changing a tire on my girlfriends car.?beagle


Al,

I remember if you go back further then the 70's, say to the 50's, I remember my Dad's mopar products have both left hand threaded lug nuts and lug bolts!!!!

Joe

[NVcurmudgeon]

My 1950 Dodge business coupe, 3 speed manual, 6 cylinder, fluid drive, had right hand threads on lug nuts and bolts on one side and left hand threads on lug nuts and bolts on the other side.

Don't remember which side for which for sure though.

Bob

Correct! This was done so that centrifugal force would prevent a loose lug nut from backing entirely off the wheel. Some Buicks had the same arrangement. Don't ask me which side had the LH threads; mercifully I quit working on cars for a liviing Dec. 31, 1988. All I had to remember was that on one side the studs had "L" stamped on the ends.

[jonk]

I'd like a 9.2X19 reamer...

Let's not forget that the 9X23 is not only 9mm Largo but 9mm Bergmann and 38acp and 9mm super and 9mm Winchester in DIMENSIONS as well. And we're talking about several different pressure levels there.

[9.3X62AL]

Chrysler products had left-threaded lugs on the vehicle's left side, right threads on right side.

Back to the 9 x 17........I mentioned that it could raise quite a welt, as can the 32 ACP. Why the (fill in Anglo-Saxon expletive here) does the USA down-load their ammuntion so drastically??!! European loadings of 32 and 380 ACP run full-strength, with typical nominal-weight FMJs (71 and 95 grains respectively) going close to 900 FPS. Not exactly a battleship-stopper, but LOTS better than the USA ball rounds that barely manage 725 FPS. Same story with 9 x 19, 20% download from Euro intensity.

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[mike in co]

Chrysler products had left-threaded lugs on the vehicle's left side, right threads on right side.

Back to the 9 x 17........I mentioned that it could raise quite a welt, as can the 32 ACP. Why the (fill in Anglo-Saxon expletive here) does the USA down-load their ammuntion so drastically??!! European loadings of 32 and 380 ACP run full-strength, with typical nominal-weight FMJs (71 and 95 grains respectively) going close to 900 FPS. Not exactly a battleship-stopper, but LOTS better than the USA ball rounds that barely manage 725 FPS. Same story with 9 x 19, 20% download from Euro intensity.

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the cip spec for 9mm is actuall 1000 psi less than saami....so its the ammo makers, not the rules.
lawyers, lawyers, lawyers............

mike