200gr SWC mold?

[moses]

I have a Lee 6 cavity mould but I would like to try a Cast iron mould.

Which do you think is the best 45 cal 200 gr SWC mould Lyman or RCBS and which style?
I do not want to pay more than $80 so none of the hard to find out of production moulds please.

thanks boolit brethren!

[Dale53]

It would be VERY helpful if you would tell us what caliber you're looking for and whether for rifle or pistol. Then, a brief description of the purpose you will be using the bullet for and we would be able to help you.

Repectfully,
Dale53

[lead_her_fly]

I'm going to step out on a limb here. I think he is looking for a 45ACP copy of the H&G #68, just guessing though!

For me, and Dale knows how I feel about this, give me an original H&G #68 any day! (And yes, I payed much more than $80 for mine!) ;)

To be honest, the one that is available will probably dictate which one to get.

Where are you looking for one? Midway, Lock Stock & Barrel?

Maybe the classified section here would be somewhere to start.

[Dale53]

lead her fly;
We're certainly on the same page. My MiHec six cavity #68 H&G clone is probably closer to the original than some copies of H&G :mrgreen:. At any rate, that IS the premier 200 gr SWC bullet design for the .45 ACP. My original 4 cavity H&G #130, while it does not quite have the same reputation for feeding reliability as the #68, it is 100% reliable in my 1911's (two custom and one Kimber CDP Ultra II) and shoots at least as well.

Now, back to the current question. If you want iron, the Lyman #452630 is a "fair" copy of the #68, the Lyman 452460 is also a decent choice but a different design.

RCBS 45-201-SWC is a pretty good copy of the #68 (part #RCB 82047) and does a good job.

Saeco #068 (bevel base) or #069 (flat base - this is my preference) has a good bullet design - a not so perfect copy of the H&G but it shoots very well and cuts a cleaner hole than the original. However, Saeco moulds are pricey and not any better than RCBS or Lyman. I have a matched pair of Saeco four cavities and I know whereof I speak...

Now, to answer the question. I would definitely go with RCBS. They have a better warranty, are competitive in price and lately Lyman has been shipping some under size moulds and their service is not as good as it should be (first hand from my shooting buddies recent experience).

Now, the trick will be to find a mould in stock somewhere (Midway, Graf & Sons, Natchez all have better prices than factory direct).

FWIW
Dale53

[moses]

Yep sorry 45 ACP
Just want a good accurate target bullet

[JIMinPHX]

I have had good results with the Lyman #2660630. They call it a flat nosed bevel base or something foolish like that, but it's a SWC & I like it.

[MtGun44]

Lyman 452460 is a very accurate design, tends to feed pretty reliably, something not
necessarily true of many of the stubbier target boolits. Of course, as has been pointed
out, the H&G 68 ( I have a 4 cav original) is pretty much the best all around, altho slightly
less accurate in several of my 1911s than the 452460, but the H&G 68 is a very reliable
feeder. Finding good copies is tough. The RCBS 201 ?? I forget the exact model, they have
a 200 and a 201, and I am always mixing them up, - is a good one,too.

Bill

[Matt_G]

+1 on the Lyman 452460 boolit.
Take a look at Midsouth for a 4 cav mould. That will meet your monetary restriction.
Accurate as heck out of my Bullseye pistol. (Colt 1991A1)
Had it worked over by a fine pistol smith and that gun can hold the 10 ring all day with that boolit being pushed by 3.9 grains of Bullseye.
If only I could shoot half as well as that gun and load combo. :groner:

As Dale53 and lead her fly said, the H&G 68 is awesome as well but your not going to get one of those for $80.00 or less.

[USSR]

+2 on the Lyman 452460.

Don

[wallenba]

Yep sorry 45 ACP
Just want a good accurate target bullet You can use the 200 swc in 45 Colt too. I get excellant accuracy with the Lyman 452460 in my S&W 625 and 1911.

[JIMinPHX]

#2660630 was the number that I got off my 2-cav mold box. It turns out that the generic number for the one I was recommending is 452630. When I look it up in the books, the picture they give is not real accurate. I'm now wondering how accurate the picture in the book of the 452460 is. Can anyone post a picture of an actual 452460 boolit so that I can get a look at one for comparison?

Thanks,
Jim

[mtgrs737]

I like the Saeco #69 it is a very close copy of the flat based H&G #68. Saeco uses iron or steel mould blocks. I have a Lee six cavity Group Buy flat base copy of the 68 and the Saeco #69 would fit in the cavity except for the nose radius is a little smaller on the Saeco. Both moulds produce boolits that shoot great in my 45acp's.

[Cloudpeak]

I tried both styles of the Lee 200gr SWC designs (6 cavity) in my Springfield's and had occasional FTF's. All problems disappeared when I bought the Lyman 452630 200gr 4 cavity SWC mold. I played with OAL's with the Lee's and just couldn't seem to get a loading that would feed 100%. The Lee's were accurate, though.

I think the RCBS molds are only two cavity, right? I wouldn't want anything less than a four cavity mold for any pistol bullet as I cast and shoot a lot of 45's & 9mm's.

[soldierbilly1]

+1 on the 452460 Lyman.
BTW, I have a Lee 6 banger, 200 gr flat nose for the 45 ACP. Very close second and cuts nice clean holes. cheap too, part Scotch

Billyboy

[cabezaverde]

I like the 452460 also.

[mtgrs737]

I had two of the Lee 45cal. 200gr. SWC six cavity moulds and they cast great. I had problems with them feeding in my 1911 style pistols. I found that if you seated the boolit so that the shoulder of the boolit was flush with the case mouth they would feed most of the time. The lee seems to have a longer nose with a smaller radius on the tip than my GB H&G copy does not. I seat the H&G copy so that about a thumb nails thickness of the front driving bqnd shoulder is out of the case. A correct taper crimp is also required for good feeding. The GB H&G copy is a 100% feeding boolit so far for me.

[Cloudpeak]

The lee seems to have a longer nose with a smaller radius on the tip than my GB H&G copy does not.

You are 100% correct. Here's a pic of a Penns on the left and Lee on the right. The Penns is an accurate copy of the HG68.:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/WyoBob/Guns/DSCN1441.jpg

I really like my Lyman 452360 bullets. Here's a 5 shot group from a bench at 7 yards from when I was working up loads:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/WyoBob/CBOB%20and%20targets/DSCN1898.jpg

[686]

Moses pm sent

[Lloyd Smale]

yup in most of my guns it outshoots the h&g and feeds better to boot.
+2 on the Lyman 452460.

Don

[lead_her_fly]

I guess my experience is just a tad different than most here. My Lee feeds very well in my Taurus PT1911. Of course, and I know this doesn't matter cause you can't shoot one, it will chamber an empty case 100% of the time too!

My H&G #68 mold is an original 4 cavity and like Cloud noticed, has a much larger meplat and shorter nose.

Both bullets shoot as accurate as I can or better from my firearms. I had the Lee version out the other day with some SR4756 and shot it out of my M625JM. Driving them over 1000fps was no problem, not a target load by any stretch of the imagination, and it was extremely accurate.

You aren't going to do any speed loading drills with this bullet and full moon clips in the revolver though. The did shoot very well though.

The most fun though was making the plastic quart bottles jump all over!

At any rate, this bullet is a great classic. That is why so many folks copied the design!

[Firebricker]

If you don't have handles you'll have to figure that in with new mould. Im not sure if you can use lee 6-cav handles on an RCBS. If wind up needing handles you can get them from a vendor here. FB

[686]

Moses i have a lyman 452630 4 cav mold in good shape i will sale you for $65.00 shipped. let me know.

[moses]

Thanks for the offer, I don't want a bevel base though.

My Lee has the Bevel base, it's a pain wiping the lube off every bullet base.
I have a RCBS sizer.
If I had a Star the bevel wouldn't matter.

[686]

Moses the lyman 452630 is a flat base bullet mold.

[j20owner]

Can anyone post a picture of an actual 452460 boolit so that I can get a look at one for comparison?

Thanks,
Jim


Here ya go, Jim.
http://xaclan.com/Heinrich/heinrich/Casting/452460/lack%20of%20fill-out.JPG

Don't mind the rounded leading edge. Didn't have the mold clean yet. It dumps great looking boolits now. I'm not 100% sure my tight DW chamber likes them yet, though.

[rbwillnj]

452630 is a Bevel Base Bullet, I have three of them. Works great for me.

[686]

you are right, my bad. i have the 452460 fb. it is the one pictured above. thanks

[coyotebait]

686
I tried to PM you but your box is full.
coyotebait

[MtGun44]

J20's pic does not look anything like my 452460. I think that
is a different number. If not, Lyman has been building WAY different
molds under that number.

Bill

[Matt_G]

J20's pic does not look anything like my 452460. I think that
is a different number. If not, Lyman has been building WAY different
molds under that number.

Bill

My 452460 looks just like J20's boolit, albeit without the rounding on the nose as he stated.
Even my Ideal cast boolit design poster shows the 452460 exactly like my current mould. (Circa 1992)
How does your 452460 differ Bill?
I'm curious.

[Matt_G]

Here's a pic of my 452460