Lee 6.5 special order mould

[andrew375]

Has anybody used this mould? If so what dia. does it cast out at?

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=000066.5SWED

[BruceB]

From my mould, with my particular wheelweight alloy, I believe it runs 171 grains. Diameter is .269", I think...but I'm at work and the bench is 50 miles away!

Sexy looking dolly, ain't she???

[Maineboy]

Mine runs about .267 and weighs a bit over 170 grains. Like most other cast boolits in Swedish Mausers, it works well at lower velocity.

[NuJudge]

When cast from wheelweights and dropped from the mold into water they are so hard they ring when dropped on concrete. I'm going to try driving them a little faster than other people.

CDD

[only1asterisk]

Sexy looking dolly, ain't she???

That's the most pornographic projectile I've ever seen.

David

[DaveInFloweryBranchGA]

I'd been away from the site a good while and had to reregister to get back in. My plan was to get information just for casting in 9MM and .45ACP, then I see a mold like this and start thinking about that lonely little Swedish gal sittin in my safe.....

Jeesh, I'm doomed.

Dave

[hdj2520]

Can anyone recommend a top punch ? I can make one to fit, but i'd rather buy one.

[garandsrus]

HDJ,

I found that any flat top punch, such as a .30 or .38 cal, would work. The bullet is way too long for the nose to go into a lubrisizer so the diameter of the top punch doesn't matter at all.

John

[Uncle Grinch]

From the looks of it, I believe an RCBS #520 (flatnose .26 caliber) should work.

[Buckshot]

................Here's a photo of it. It'd be the one on the right

http://www.fototime.com/8B8B8013CDC151A/standard.jpg

I'd start out with just 2 lube grooves filled with lube. WHile I haven't done a whole lot of work with the Boolit, word was after it first came out and folks were wringing it out is that all LG's fille dis a bad thing. YMMV.

................Buckshot

[Pepe Ray]

Buckshot '
I've been a 6.5 admirier for years.
I have a M'96, A Jap 36 rechambered to Swede. a Sav.99 rebbld to .260Rem (w/a '96 bbl.) and 6.5x54 in a '98 Mauser. None have had a CB thru them. I've never seen a CBoolet that appealed to me. I'm very much stuck on flat points. To my mind, if it doesn't draw blood I'm not interested.
Here you've posted a pic w/ 2 great looking projectiles. No.2 & no.4.
Would it be possible to buy some of each of these to try? Either bare or processed, whichever is most convenient.
I really don't mean to be a PITA but I'm hooked and can't help myself.
Thanks for your consideration, Pepe Ray

[Buckshot]

..................Sorry I didn't see this sooner Ray. The #2 one was the Jumptrap original Lee custom (2 cav) from 8 years ago or so. I have the mould but none currently cast up. I do have some of the Oldfellers (#4) and also some of the recent 6 cav group buy slugs.

http://www.fototime.com/B55472729A707A9/standard.jpg

Group buy slug on the left at a whopping 130grs and the Oldfeller on the right at 172grs :-) At the loaded length shown, both boolits are engraved in the leade.

PM me your address and I'll get some going your way.

...................Buckshot

[andrew375]

I've finally got my mould. With WW it casts out at ..270" and 175 gr. The nose portion is an exact fit for my barrel. The quality of Lee moulds just gets better and better.

Took several trial loads to the range last night. Twenty gr. of N110 and N120 both resulted in tumbling bullets. 25 Gr. of N135 and N140 resulted in round holes and willingness to group. Does anyone have any good loads.

I am getting a lot of verticle dispersion though. Does anyone have bedding tips for the M94 rifles? I shot this rifle at 300, 500, 600, 900 and 1000 yards at the weekend, with 140 gr. jacketed spitzers, and at each distance the first few shots went very high and then very low before the rifle settled down and proceeded to pound the black.

[Buckshot]

..............Andrew, I don't know anything about the VV powders. What velocity should those have been? Try most anything so far as loads, looking for about 1650 to 1700 fps. I've used many powders from 10.0 Unique to surplus WC872 (20mm cannon powder, very slow) with real good results.

................Buckshot

[andrew375]

Thanks.

BTW, can someone fill me in regarding the history of this design.

[45 2.1]

Thanks.

BTW, can someone fill me in regarding the history of this design.

The 170 gr. #4 boolit in Buckshots post was a collaboration between myself and Oldfeller. It will shoot very well with Unique.

[Buckshot]

..............I forgot to add that you should experiment with how many of the lube grooves to fill. After the design came out, some found accuracy improved with 2 vs 4 LG's filled. The slug has enough penetrating power to shoot through a telephone pole lengthwise.

.................Buckshot

[mosin9130]

Hello to all!
As new member, I add my 2 cents of experience to the community.
In reply to Andrew, I think your loads of N110 and N129 are too high. I use 14 grains of N110 or 17 of N120 under the bullet #3 in the pic of Buckshot in my 6.5Italian Carcano.

Mosin9130

[Oldfeller]

Karlina strikes again, reeling in yet another new set of boys with her sleek beautiful Swedish body and sassy-swelt good looks.

Boys, remember, she doesn't dress in that sassy red leather outfit and carry that long riding crop for no good reason -- just remember that she always likes things nice and SLOW or else she gets all pevish and starts to discipline you.

Keep it the way she likes it, and she can sling that long lead slug completely through most trees or a complete car body (or a moose, or a bison). Don't do it her way (or try to hurry her) -- she will flat do things that you will refuse to believe at first.

On this list (us altogether) we have invested approximately $50,000 trying to please that good looking slim rifle. We have given it to her long and we have given it to her short. We've choked her throat so hard it stuck tight & popped our bullets off -- and we have slipped it in at very low friction at barely bore size. We made custom sizers (and even a device to make up custom sizers). We custom designed several different bullets for a very long, very large relative to the bore throated VERY fast twist rifle.

At one time this list simutaniously ate up the entire world's supply of 6.5 gas checks and H&I lubricizer dies for 3-4 months at a lick when we were busy stoking Karlina.

Karlina, she has been a right obcession at times.

One thing came out in all attempts -- slow works best. Slow powders and slow speeds are argueably the best (although I found me a perfectly functional load using Unique at 11.5 grains that did just dandy).

Good luck boys,

BTW, Neosporin and a loose bandage works best on them crop weals if you can get it on just after the bleeding stops.

Oldfeller

[andrew375]

So far best load is 24gr. of N135 @ 1840fps.

Lower loads with various powders result in tumbling bullets. Ten grains of N320, which is similar to unique, gives 1200 fps and elongated holes at 50 yards.

Sizing to .268" (throat dia.) rather than .268" (bore dia.) makes a big difference.

[Oldfeller]

Andrew, I can't wait for you to post your results for the 20,000 + fps loads. That's when the whip comes out .....

Hint: sweet spot is between 14,000 and 16,500 fps

Oldfeller

[45 2.1]

Andrew, I can't wait for you to post your results for the 20,000 + fps loads. That's when the whip comes out .....

Hint: sweet spot is between 14,000 and 16,500 fps

Oldfeller

And here I thought you guys were having trouble reaching 1,800 fps, let alone 2,000 fps, accurately. Yep, I want to see that sweet spot between 14,000 and 16,500 fps that Kelly is talking about.

[StarMetal]

14,000 to 15,000 :roll: I'd like to see that for any caliber any rifle. Boy, that would be a varmint vapourizer.

Joe

[swheeler]

I think OF on the sauce again! he-he-he

[C1PNR]

I think OF on the sauce again! he-he-he
Maybeso, but I do trust OF. He's been around quite a while, and he's still alive, soooo......

I'd just like to know how he got that much Bullseye into that SMALL case?!?[smilie=1:

[waksupi]

Oldfeller is using special cast bullets, made from dust bunnies. You can really get those suckers moving.

Shoot low, boys, they're riding Shetlands!

[45 2.1]

Oldfeller is using special cast bullets, made from dust bunnies. You can really get those suckers moving.

Shoot low, boys, they're riding Shetlands!

Hey, since you seem to know how he did it (it being questionable), why don't you give us the details. After all, 14,500 fps is really FAST.

[andrew375]

Well so far I've only managed to get this bullet to shoot with two powders, N135 and N140. With any faster powders I just get tumbling bullets. I tried various loads of N320 (like unique only cleaner) but every bullet went in sideways, even at ten yards.

The good news is that 24gr. of N135 shoots reasonably near point of aim, groups well and doesn't need to be loaded singly, so I can cram the magazine full and use the rifle as it was designed to be used.

[Oldfeller]

No, no egg nog this time. Simply a rushed early AM posting, not enough coffee and too many zeros. Remove one please.

Upon pondering, I think my new hobby may be contaminating my old hobby -- the new fast bikes that I am always reading about red line up in the teens of thousands now (like 16,000 and 17,500 rpm). My digit counter has gotten reset and I'll have to watch that in the future.

I have been considering a 4 year old used GSXR 750 that is available from a guy at work. My current scooter is a 650 single with about 30 rear wheel horsepower at around 355 pounds dry weight. His bike weighs right at 410 pounds wet, but yeilds an extra hundred hp compared to my bike. He is getting married and his wife to be wants him to get a second car.

Is your Carcano a gain twist gun? If so, only Buckshot has one like it and who also has any experience shooting the long bullet out of it.

Your experience with very low speeds is seconded by Starmetal Joe who got tumbleitus by going too slow. Joe also didn't up his sizer die to a real throat fit, so that may also be an effect to consider -- if there isn't any extra room for the bullet to "slug up" when banged with a fast powder it apparently can do better with the faster powders.

Oldfeller

[andrew375]

My rifle is a bog standard m96 swede. Bore dia. is .2665" but I size the bullets to fit the .268" throat. Bullet nose is an exact fit to the bore being very lighty and evenly marked by the lands. So far this has all the makings of being an outstanding, if temperamental, bullet.

Another observation is that this bullet has a very narrow velocity / pressure window where it will shoot. Too low and I get keyholing and too high shotgun patterns. With N135 this band is only 4 gr. wide. Just one grain over the accurate load and bullets miss the paper completely!

[f1jim]

Looking for loads with something other than VV powders. I am awash in most everything else.
WC852? H4895? Help!!!
Thanks
f1jim

[looseprojectile]

Try 16.5 grains XMP5744 . I would try 4064 and 4895 and see how that works.
Have to interpolate some though. Might have to use filler. Old thread still works.
Welcome to cast boolits.

[f1jim]

I appreciate the suggestion. I'll try to work out some loads with 4895 using deduction. I hate to do that though, if I know someone has actually tried and had success with a load already. That is one long and heavy bullet!
f1jim

[NSP64]

I have used 22.0 gr imr4895 in my 7x39 loads with a 180gr boolit:drinks: