311466 in the 30-30

[autofix4u]

I cast up some lyman 311466 slugs today and was wondering if anyone has loaded this in the 30-30. it weighs right at 160 grs with gc & I think it woukd be a good slug for my 94 winny. got any suggestions. thanks for any help.

[357maximum]

10 grains of unique makes a nice pleasant luke warm plinker load in mine.

You did not say what your load intentions were.

[autofix4u]

well I thought if I could get it to shoot good (2-3" at 100yrds) I may make some softpoints & use them during deer season. I haven't loaded any cast hunting rounds for this rifle yet. the only 2 other molds I have for the 30-30 are the lee 150 fn & an 31133 hp. I can get the 31133 to shoot good out to about 75 yrds. and I haven't played with the lee 150 yet.

[scb]

I have no experience with this bullet/rifle combo so take my opinion for what it's worth. I would Not load this boolet in a tube magazine, too pointed. I've seen first hand what happens with pointed bullets in tube mags, it's not pretty. I do load it in 30/30 for my Contender and 10gr. of Unique does work extremely well out a 10" bbl.

[mrbill2]

For hunting load 1 in the chamber and 1 in the magazine. That's twice as many as you should need.
Mr. Bill2

[GrizzLeeBear]

Do you have a lube-sizer? If so, you can make a nice flat point by using a flat nose top punch. I have used the #8 top punch to make a nice flat point 311466. I think the #8 also fits the Lee 150 & 170 FN boolits. I haven't shot them, but if they are anywhere near as accurate as the RN, deer would be no problem well beyond 100 yds in a 30-30.

The Lee 150 should do just as well on its own, too.

The 31133 looks like a nice boolit, but a bit light for deer (100 gr. correct?). Would make a nice small game or varmint boolit, though.

[Kraschenbirn]

I shoot the 411466 over 20 gr of H5744 in my old Savage 340 (bolt action). If I do my part, 2", or better, 100-yd groups are routine. A friend tried single-loading a few in his 94AE and was able to keep 'em all in the black of an SR21 target using iron sights. I suspect it's a bit to pointy, though to load more than one at a time in the magazine.

Bill

[autofix4u]

Do you have a lube-sizer? If so, you can make a nice flat point by using a flat nose top punch. I have used the #8 top punch to make a nice flat point 311466. I think the #8 also fits the Lee 150 & 170 FN boolits. I haven't shot them, but if they are anywhere near as accurate as the RN, deer would be no problem well beyond 100 yds in a 30-30.

The Lee 150 should do just as well on its own, too.

The 31133 looks like a nice boolit, but a bit light for deer (100 gr. correct?). Would make a nice small game or varmint boolit, though.

well I don't have a lube-sizer (sure wish I did) but I could figure out a way to flat point them or have the mold hollow pointed. I cast up a couple hundred lee 150fp today to and will play with them as well. the 31133 from my alloy comes in at 100-115 grs depending of how deep I set the hp pin. (i made an adjustable pin for it) this is my go to boolit in the 7.62x25 tears up the varmits from my cz52 at 15-1600 fps.

[jhalcott]

It works quite well in the 14" contender even on ground hogs! I cast them out of wheel weight alloy. I have "flat nosed" them with the lubesizer also.

[NVcurmudgeon]

Try fourteen gr. Alliant 2400. I gave my stepson a Marlin 336 Micro-Groove carbine which shoots this load well enough I wish I had the .30/30 back! I have an old Lyman handbook that reccomends the 311466 in 30/30 rifles. It does have a rather blunt round nose, but the most I would load is one in the magazine and one "up the spout."

[mrbill2]

Here's a 311467 flat nosed with the lathe.

[Ben]

These would shoot well out of your 30/30 , this is the 311467 that has been HP'd by Erik with a pin that allows the mold to not only make a nice HP , but the same mold can make a solid like the ones in the photo below. These have a larger meplat on them than the orig. 311407's :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/311467%20HP/PICT0006.jpg

[mrbill2]

Ben
Very good looking bullets.

[TAWILDCATT]

I shoot 311291 out of my 94.32 gr 2520. :coffee:[smilie=1:

[357maximum]

FWIW

I spent the better part of the afternoon playing with my 1951winnie 94 thutty thutty. I was tweaking/finalizing my hunting load for this year. She wears a williams peep and is ready for antler gittin.

30/30 Rem brass (partial FL sized)
30.5 gr of H4350
CCI 250 Mag primer
modified 311466 (saeco 315 nose) Wd'ed 50/50 ww/pure=174.5 grains checked/lubed and ready to launch.

Not sure of the speed, but it is enough to get the task at hand done judging by the impacts to my 200 yard gong. It will do an honest sub 1 inch 5shot group @ 100when I hold my mouth right.

good huntin,
Michael

[Suo Gan]

Lyman Handbook 43 says the 311466 is, "Excellent in tubular mag." And in the first CB HB it says that it is, "A very good game bullet even for the .30-30."

I own this boolit, but have not cast it yet. I hope that they are right.

FYI, I noticed that in the 2nd CB HB that there is a legal disclaimer about not using pointed boolits in a tube mag. They did not list a load for 311466 under .30-30 there.

[helice]

Autofix
Great thread. I have used the 466 Lyman in my Angle Eject mainly cause it was the only 30 cal mould I owned that was short and light enough. Like GrizLee I was hesitant to use it in the tube mag even tho Lyman did recommend it. I couldn't quite see using a 94 Winchester like a double rifle so I flattened the nose just a bit with that #8 top punch referenced above. How you do it is up to you but I needed a meplat.

John Taffin recommended 17 gr 2400 with as 170 grain cast. I went to 16 grains for just over 1700'/s and great accuracy. (That was where Alliant's manual stopped. 16 grains)
I tried 26 grains of ReLoder 15 but got erratic burns. Recommend 30 or so grains.
8 grains of 700X got me just over 1300'/s. I won't go more than 8 grains and I think a subsonic load would be more accurate. But that's why God invented plain based boolits.
Lately I've used 24 grains of ReLoder 7 just cause I like the accuracy. Sorry I haven't run it thru the chronograph.

Hope this helps. Helice

[durant7]

I picked up some cast/lubed/GC'd 311466 but they are .309. They also had some 311041 cast/lubed/GC'd in .311. I'm new to shooting cast bullets. The 041s shoot great, the 466 are not so good. 1.5" at 100y is what I call good. The 466 were 4"+ or so bad they were not worth measuring.

If someone has a 311466 mould out there can they tell me what they are pre-sizing? Is there enough meat on the bullet for a .311 sizing? Any suggestions where I could get a small sample of 466s so I could size to decide if I should hunt down one of these moulds?

I guess I am trying to figure out how you avoid buying 5 different moulds, 5 different powders, 5 different sizers to figure out one gun? Maybe that is all the fun but I need to start out SLOW.

Feeding a 336CB with ballard rifling which I am going to slug today. Going to shoot CLA with it and wanted to decide between a 041 vs the 466. I read the Saeco #315 is great but no longer available. If there is some other bullet/mould I should look out for let me know. I don't want to go above 170 gr to reduce the recoil on 40 or 80 shot matches.

[Pepe Ray]

Hi gang'
I understand and agree with the diverse concerns over the 311466 as a 30-30 boolet. But here are the facts regarding my experience with it.

In 1962 I purchased my first reloading out fit from a mail order co. Parker Bros. AIR. It was a Lyman boxed set up featuring the 310 Tong tool ,dies and casting gear, a ladle and mold #311466. The set was ordered for the 30-30Win.
I had no choice in the matter of boolet form. I had to assume that what they provided would be appropriate. The included sizer was for .311' The hand book of the time confirmed it. I was slightly disappointed in the selection but learned to work with it. It shot beautifully.
Even at that early time I believed that a flat nose was the WTG but it would be many years before I could afford to expand my mold collection.

Anyhow, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Pepe Ray

[Newtire]

I have used up to 25 grains of RX-7 with the 311466 in the .30-30 with great accuracy. Another excellent 150 grain boolit is the Lee 150 grain. The Lee is already flat-pointed. I'd say that the 311466 is a little bit too pointed to use in a tube magazine.

I have noticed that the Remington factory jacketted softpoint "Corelokt" is pretty pointed but then again, the core is about pure lead and pretty soft.

Our wheelweight alloys get to be pretty hard and would be more likely to set off the primer in the load ahead in a tube magazine.

[Char-Gar]

Guy Loverin designed 311466 and 311467 and they proved to be among the best 30 caliber molds out there. 30-30 owners who were uncomfortable with using those somewhat pointy bullets in their tubular magazines persuaded Loverin to come out with 311407 which is a flat nose version of 311467 weighing a little less.

We have had several group buys for 311407 Mod, which is the original Loverin design, but shortened by one band to fit in the Lee blocks. It has proved to one of our best designs.

The fear of 311466 or 311467 causing a primer pop in the magazine is mostly hypothetical as a 30-30 won't produce enough recoil to do the deed.

About 1905 Mr. Barlow designed 311291 for the 30-30. This was one of the first Ideal designs. It is blunt round nose, very accurate and millions have been fired in 30-30s over the past hundred plus years with zero problems.

I have used 311466 in the 30-30 with excellent result and have never had a problem. That aside, I would still prefer a flat nose bullet or a blunt round nose bullets because of better terminal performance on game animals.

If a shooter is buying a mold for the 30-30 there are better choices than 311466.

[Char-Gar]

Durant... I have several molds in both 311466 and 311467 and none of them cast the same with any alloy. Over the life of the design, Lyman has played loose and loose with the specs. All of this it to say, nobody can say what any mold will cast, until they have cast a bullet with that particular mold.

[StarMetal]

Charger,

Not to argue but point out some information. First I agree with the 30-30 and the magazine. Okay...past summer some gun writer was at the range testing a 40 S&W semi auto pistol. I believe it end a booth type enclosure. He had the box of ammo open, that is the stryofoam pulled from the cardboard outer shell. Well an empty casing from the pistol, I think, ricocheted off the wall, or it either flew up then come down......on the primer on one of the loaded rounds in the styrofoam setting it off. He had a picture of a clean indication of the rim of the case indented in the primer. Wow...that's not much force there!

Joe

[autofix4u]

Well after I got some other projects out of the way I finnaly tried the 311466 in the 30-30 today. Gas checked & lubed with 50/50 final weight came in at 159grns. I sized to .311 and added gaschecks with Lee push through (base first to flatten the nose). loaded in Win brass with Win LRP over aa5744. 5 each starting at 15grns to 20grns in 1grn increments. My 1965 model Win 94 put all 5 touching at 17grns (50yrds). So I think I will load 100 or so at 17grns, Low report & little recoil. All charges were under 1.5" at 50yrds offhand. I didn't get the crony out because it never quit snowing today. I just love chasin brass in the snow. Thanks for the input, Josh

[ricksplace]

I picked up some cast/lubed/GC'd 311466 but they are .309. They also had some 311041 cast/lubed/GC'd in .311. I'm new to shooting cast bullets. The 041s shoot great, the 466 are not so good. 1.5" at 100y is what I call good. The 466 were 4"+ or so bad they were not worth measuring.

If someone has a 311466 mould out there can they tell me what they are pre-sizing? Is there enough meat on the bullet for a .311 sizing? Any suggestions where I could get a small sample of 466s so I could size to decide if I should hunt down one of these moulds?

I guess I am trying to figure out how you avoid buying 5 different moulds, 5 different powders, 5 different sizers to figure out one gun? Maybe that is all the fun but I need to start out SLOW.

Feeding a 336CB with ballard rifling which I am going to slug today. Going to shoot CLA with it and wanted to decide between a 041 vs the 466. I read the Saeco #315 is great but no longer available. If there is some other bullet/mould I should look out for let me know. I don't want to go above 170 gr to reduce the recoil on 40 or 80 shot matches.

I have a marlin 336rc with four groove ballard rifling. I shoot 9gr Unique behind the 311466, and 28gr N104 (surplus like 4350) behind rcbs 180 fngc both sized to 309 and lubed with alox/beeswax. Both give 2 moa hand held with aperture sights.

[excess650]

Well after I got some other projects out of the way I finnaly tried the 311466 in the 30-30 today. Gas checked & lubed with 50/50 final weight came in at 159grns. I sized to .311 and added gaschecks with Lee push through (base first to flatten the nose). loaded in Win brass with Win LRP over aa5744. 5 each starting at 15grns to 20grns in 1grn increments. My 1965 model Win 94 put all 5 touching at 17grns (50yrds). So I think I will load 100 or so at 17grns, Low report & little recoil. All charges were under 1.5" at 50yrds offhand. I didn't get the crony out because it never quit snowing today. I just love chasin brass in the snow. Thanks for the input, Josh

17gr may just be a good load because my 336CB seems to prefer it in Federal cases F210 primers and the 175gr Saeco #315 which IS a current offering. My loads were still accurate enough at 385m to stay on turkey silhouettes using iron sights, elbows on the bench, or sitting.

[stephen perry]

For Lyman numbers 311466, 311467, 311291, 31141,311410. They all work good. I load all these numbers usually with Unique. With 311466 one time I was able to bounce 7 out of 10 shots offhand off a 200M dinger, open sights with my M94. Cast gets the job done in a 30-30.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR :brokenima

[stephen perry]

I just looked around. Most of my 311466 are sized/lubed .309. I have a box of a couple hundred I cast that are not sized. They measure .312/.313 and weigh 155.5 grn naked. Hope this helps Rick.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR

[mike in co]

I have used up to 25 grains of RX-7 with the 311466 in the .30-30 with great accuracy. Another excellent 150 grain boolit is the Lee 150 grain. The Lee is already flat-pointed. I'd say that the 311466 is a little bit too pointed to use in a tube magazine.

I have noticed that the Remington factory jacketted softpoint "Corelokt" is pretty pointed but then again, the core is about pure lead and pretty soft.

Our wheelweight alloys get to be pretty hard and would be more likely to set off the primer in the load ahead in a tube magazine.

i'll disagree..the 466 and its big brother have very round noses....way to much surface area me thinks for a primer impact detonation....
the nose increases in surface area the further back it goes.....than means some real mean recoil to get an ignition.......
just my 2 cents worth....gonna try both of those and the 407

mike in co

[Jack Stanley]

I've used six point five grains of 700X for short range plinking . Tumble lube , sixed .311 and shot from a 788 they work real well .

I also tried flating the noses a bit for another rifle and they shot just as well as the "unimproved" .

Jack