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joecool911
08-07-2009, 10:26 AM
My frugal side wishes to use a Lee push through sizer and dip lubing. From the perspective of velocity and leading the barrel, is dipping a compromise? I want to shoot up to around 2,300 fps with 44 and 45 caliber lever guns. I have read the article from Ranch Dog on dipping and it seems good. BTW, ranch dog forum no longer works. Do we have that article archived here??? I had it bookmarked and it no longer works. I only have one dip lube mold. I guess my question about compromise relates to standard lube bullet designs (LTB).

Looking to the future, is it realistic to cast for a 338 win mag? The real advantage of the 338 is the jacketed bullets have a BC of .500 and with 250 grain bullet weight they really hold their energy down range. Any high BC molds available for the 338? I am shooting them at 2,700 fps now. Not sure I would want to give up much in the way of velocity or BC of the bullets. Great long range shooter!!!

Larry Gibson
08-07-2009, 12:33 PM
joe

LLA to 2300 fps is a lofty goal. Most consider it good to about 2000 fps at best. The dipping method does work with regular lube grooves. I suggest regualar, uncut LLA. If it is too thick then put the bottle in some hot water for a few minutes. Accuracy 2300 fps with a cast bullet will also require GC'd bullets.

Yes it is realistic to shoot cast bullets in the .338. I'm assuming the bullets you're shooting at 2700 fps are jacketed bullets(?). If you are thinking of a cast bullet at that velocity with accuracy then you've an arduous path to follow. Given the usual 10" twist of the .338 Win Mag you can expect the best accuracy in the 1800 - 1950 fps range. If you do your homework and your loads and rifle are up to it good accuracy up through 2200 fps can be had. At such velocities and the practical range of cast bullets a high BC is not really that advantagous. With a cast bullet such as Lyman's 338089 very good long range shooting can be done.

Cast bullets are not going to duplicate the accuracy at 2700 fps of jacketed bullets. You need to understand that from the get go.

Larry Gibson

BABore
08-07-2009, 01:19 PM
You can get the 338 up to 2,300-2,400 with alot of finess and technique. This does not include LLA and a Lee die. I had to go down to 185 & 200 grain boolits to do it. Both had a dirt band to combat fouling. If you want 2,700 fps, then paper patch them. I'm in the midst of that right now. A full load of Reloder 19 and a patched 230 grain boolit. I still have to tweak the load as it's running around 1 3/8" groups. Paper patching will eliminate the need for alot of higher end stuff. A 0.332-0.334 push-through die, some tracing paper, and some homemade lube to wipe on the finish, patched boolit.

runfiverun
08-07-2009, 03:50 PM
smear of jpw or turtle wax works on the patched boolit for sizing too.
you can melt conventional lube down and dip the boolits in the melted lube and size them.
i do this with a loverin design.
i g/c them in a 313 sizer, dip them ,sit on waxed paper. then final size them in the 310.
after the lube cools.

Lead Fred
08-07-2009, 03:59 PM
http://www.lsstuff.com/lube/

Scroll down to the 2500+, Thats what Im using, as so as it gets here.

and Im not going anywhere near 2500, most likely not even 2000

joecool911
08-07-2009, 10:34 PM
Sounds like you are telling me that I am better off to invest in a lubrisizer? RCBS?

Leftoverdj
08-07-2009, 11:11 PM
Watch the used market for a lubrisizer. I made money buying my last one. Bought an assortment of stuff, sold off a couple of moulds and a duplicate sizing die, came out slightly ahead with a free Lyman 450 lubrisizer.

Having a lubrisizer ain't gonna meet your goals however. They strike me as unrealistic.

Nora
08-08-2009, 12:19 AM
joe

LLA to 2300 fps is a lofty goal. Most consider it good to about 2000 fps at best.

I agree with this from an accuracy stand point, my personal cut off is 2200 fps. As a just because venture I've pushed water quenched and checked ww's (C 312-185-1R) to 2600 fps with out any leading using LLA. At that velocity it was giving minute of 55 gal drum at 50 yrds. But had no leading issues.

Nora

runfiverun
08-08-2009, 12:42 AM
no leading and holding accuracy are definately two different things.
if you wanna go fast with lead skip the headaches unless you truly want to make the commitment to doing it. and A. use jacketed for the h/v or B. learn how to paper patch properly.
a 225 gr boolit at near 2,000 fps will do bout any animal in the u.s. in immeaditely.[sp?]
even out to over 200 yds.

joecool911
08-08-2009, 01:06 AM
I am not hell bent on casting for my 338, but I have 4 lever guns and want to cast for those. So far I've been buying Beartooth bullets and the production time is big. I want to cast my own. Just trying to figure out the cheapest way to get where I want to go. 444, 44 mag, 454 casull, 45-70 lever guns. My current project is the 454. It intrigues me because of the bore size, power and short case. Get ten rounds in it. 6 pound carry weight. Seems like a great combination.

Nora
08-08-2009, 01:18 AM
a 225 gr boolit at near 2,000 fps will do bout any animal in the u.s. in immeaditely.[sp?]
even out to over 200 yds.

That's along the lines of my comment to the go faster colossal magnum shooters at the range. "If you want to kill something bigger than a bus, you need more boolit, not more speed."

runfiverun
08-08-2009, 01:33 PM
your 444 and 44 mag may or may not share the same boolit.
my money is on not.
with the casull a nice 300 gr rnfp is a good start,and 1600 with a plain base should be pretty easy also, with straight ww's and something like aa-1680,or 2400.