Remington 14/141 questions

[Marlin Junky]

This is for all you Remington 14/141 experts...

First of all, what's the difference between the two models?

Secondly, I'm looking for specifics on how these models were factory drilled and tapped for aftermarket sights. I've seen some that are wearing scopes and I've seen some that are wearing receiver sights mounted on the top and some mounted on the side.

Thanks,
MJ

[No_1]

I have a older one and it is not drilled top or side. My sight is mounted on the tang.

R.

[405]

No Rem expert here for sure but me thinks the 14 was the immediate predecesor to the 141 with the 14 manuf. about 1912-35 and the 141 from 1936-50. The 14/141 were takedown models. I'd think the greater chance for factory drilled and tapped for extra sights would be on the 141. A shooting buddy has a 141 in 35 Rem. A peach of a caliber in a compact slide repeater gun. Don't see many around at all and don't know about their quirks??

Just looked at a Rem Collector article and Rem did offer a special barrel sight as factory option on some early 14s. So possible other early sight options or factory drill and tap options available??

[Heavy lead]

I've a 141 that was granddads, love lever guns but am not fast with it. The ole 35 though I can shuck shells through it almost as fast as an auto, accurate, balanced and wonderful woods gun. Yes it is a takedown, not as nostalgic as a Winchester 92 or 86 or whatever, but she shoots and is a very good woods gun for Michigan. Never have shot cast with it, only rifle cartridge I haven't reloaded for I own, that might have to change.

[crazy mark]

My Model 14 in 35 rem has the rear mounted receiver sight and is a take down model. No holes on the side but the top of the receiver was D&T'd for a scope mount by somebody. Thing loved RCBS 35-200's. Mark

[cuzinbruce]

Hi,
The Model 141 was an updated Model 14. I think mostly styling, I don't think any major mechanical changes. (The earliest 14's had a different safety, on the bolt rather than on the triggerguard, but this was changed on the Model 14.) Both are takedown rifles. I don't think any were drilled and tapped for scope mounts. Or for side mounted peep sights either. They do have two holes drilled and tapped for a tang sight, at the top of the metal that stays with the buttstock when you take the gun down. (At least my 141 does) The spiral in the magazine tube was to tilt the shell a bit so you could use pointed bullets. When you pump the action, the magazine tube moves back into the receiver and leaves a cartridge behind. Probably 50% or more were in .35 Remington. The balance in .25, .30 or .32 Remington. Probably no, or very, very few Model 141's in .25 Remington. They are a pretty slick design. I think they were discontinued because of cost to manufacture. Just compare the internal pieces from a 141 with those of, say, an 870 Remington. They were designed by John Pederson, who designed the Pederson device for the Springfield 1903. He also designed the Model 51 pistol and the Remington Model 25 and 12 rifles. The 12 is a .22, the 25 is almost a twin except it is in .25/20 and .32/20. And if you are really lucky, you might run into a Model 14 1/2. The 14 1/2 was about like a 14 except chambered for 38/40 and 44/40. They are all faster handling than any of the lever actions I have.
Bruce

[quasi]

here in Canada, 14's in .30 seem the most common, then .32's, then .35's. I have never seen a .25.

[DLCTEX]

My friend has a model 14 in 25 Rem. that I'm sure is not a take down. I examined it fairly closely on numerous occasions, but that's been more than 25 or 30 years ago. If it had been a take down I think I would have noticed it or it would have been mentioned in the discussions I had with his father (the original owner) about it. It had a feed problem that we solved, but I don't remember how, possibly by building up a lifter with brass as I know that was one of the solutions we discussed.

[Marlin Junky]

How does the 141 lock up? I understand the early 760's have 14 locking lugs.

Were the early 760's drilled and tapped for receiver sights and/or scope mounts?

MJ

[405]

The 14/141 lockup is like the Rem 12 (22). To be honest all this series of Rem slide rifles remind me of "shotgun" type systems. The bolt tips and moves down when opening action. The breechbolt lockup is a single lug on the upper front of the bolt that engages/enters a recess in the receiver. The 760 is a completely different design for the post war higher pressure cartridges (bolt has rotating, interrupted thread lugs). Memory is a tricky thing (:coffee:) but seems like every 760 I've seen has factory holes drilled and tapped on the top of the receiver for scope base mounting? Whether the first ones from the early 50s had the factory holes or not... dunno.

[Bent Ramrod]

The 141 was basically the 14 with fewer cosmetic frills, 2" more barrel, a somewhat more modern front sight and deeper pistol grip. It didn't have the matting on the top of the receiver and other minor stuff like that for purposes of cost cutting. They were all take downs, with the large-diameter takedown screw on the side quite flat, close to the receiver and unobtrusive. Layne Simpson wrote a two part article in the old Rifle Magazine about the evolution of the Remington pump actions that had a lot of material on the 14-14-1/2-141 series.

[hunterldh]

Sir - Like a couple of the responders said, a receiver sight is tang mounted. I have a Lyman that's new-in-the-box with papers from many years ago that I will sell. Pics available on request by email. Best regards, Hunter

[Marlin Junky]

Sir - Like a couple of the responders said, a receiver sight is tang mounted. I have a Lyman that's new-in-the-box with papers from many years ago that I will sell. Pics available on request by email. Best regards, Hunter

Would that receiver sight be for an early 760 or a 141? I'm leaning toward the purchase of an early 760 due to the stronger lock up.

MJ

[Marlin Junky]

I have another burning question:

What is the typical groove diameter on the 760 in .35 Remington?

MJ