Winny 94AE 44mag

[Ekalb2000]

Might pick one up here locally from a guy. Under four bills.
Quick question for yall that cast for these.
What lee mold feeds good in these.
Pics would be real cool as well.

thanks andy

[Fire_stick]

Andy,

If you don't pick that gun up, let me know. I'm just down the road from you; if you are in Florida.

I'm not sure about the Winchester 94. All I have used so far is a Ranch Dog design TLC432-265RF in my Rossi 92.

Here is a link to a thread with some pictures of the bullet
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=56614

[Ekalb2000]

I am headed up to visit my mother in WVa on saturday for a week. The guy works with me and said he would hold onto it. He also has a ruger super blackhawk. 7 bills for both of them. I told him if he sells them I understand, cause I have not put any money down. But he said he would not do that to me., that they would be here when I get back in a week.
I know he has a win94 in 22mag as well that he is lookin to off load. I think 3 for itdont know for sure.



Fire stick, still in FL. But who knows for how long with the F15 leaving.

andy

[26Charlie]

OAL seems to be the key - I have a M94 (not an AE) and it would not feed a Lyman 429421, the longest CB nose design I have, but it was simple to cut the cartridge stop on the lifter back a sixteenth, then every bullet design worked just fine.
Actually the Lee designs I have (their first square-ish SWC designs) did not shoot particularly well in the revolvers I have, so I didn't try them in the rifle, but all the Lyman, SAECO and RCBS designs work without a hitch.
If you didn't want to cut back the cartridge stop you could use a Lee factory crimp die to put the crimp on the front band or anywhere on the bullet you want, not just the crimping groove.

[jlchucker]

I have a trapper in 44 mag. Among the bullets I tried in the past included the Lee 240 gr swc with a gascheck. It, like all others tried, fed OK. In the end, this rifle pretty much likes (and gets) the Lyman 429215 with a hornaday gascheck and Javalina Alox lube. I use it with Alliant 2400 powder, and it shoots minute-of-clay pigeon fragment all day long at 100 yd. No leading. Lee factory crimped in the crimping groove. This bullet is often overlooked in favor of the heavier SWC's, but it's a very good one. Although I've never hunted with it enough to get a shot at a deer with it, I doubt like h##l that it would bounce off game inside of 100 yd.

[gon2shoot]

The TL boolit seems to work rather well, keep trying to convince myself that somthing that ugly cant shoot good.

[OBXPilgrim]

I don't have a M94 AE, but rather the plan M94 44 mag - 1972 vintage. Has a .432 bore, so it needed them big. Tried the 240 SWC TL Lee & it shot good at 44 spl loads, but not too good much faster.

Tried some 310 Lee's & it did great. I did use 2400 powder, but much less than most books show for the 300gr Horn XTP, but I chrono'd 1500 fps. I'd imagine some guns would have big problems feeding this slug, but I guess I was lucky.

Wish I could tell you group sizes, but me & a friend had way too much fun blasting clay pigeon sized rocks at 60 yards with them. It turned out to be a great spectator sport as well - the sun was up behind us (around 9:30am), and we had a perfect view of the bullets path to the target with each shot if you stood off to one side and behind the shooter 5 feet (where else?). I'd see 45 acp & 44 spl slugs before out of handguns, but this one was a first for me. Definetly cool to see those big suckers screaming through the air & slam into those rocks - almost looked like that M94 needed to be on a carriage mount & have a lanyard to fire it.

[Ekalb2000]

Picked the rifle and SBH up yesterday.
The pistol is 78-79 vintage from what I gather from the serial number.
Will brake them down and give them a good once over this week.
Will post some pics when I can fing my daughters digi cam.

Now im off to look for some dies and molds.

[NHlever]

My 94 AE's have fed everything I've tried so far with no problems, and have shot reasonably accurately with most. I've used Lyman 429421, 429244, RCBS 44-245 SWC (the old KT) Oregon Trail 300 gr RFP, and the various jacketed bullets from the Speer 210 GD to the various 300 grain pills. My go to load is the Lyman 429244 GC over a healthy dose of H-110. It is accurate, and powerful, and I believe it will do what I need a .44 carbine to do.

[MTWeatherman]

I'll second the use of the Lyman 429244GC...especially if you intend to hunt with it. I have a '94 trapper AE early '80s vintage and it shoots that bullet very well with 23 gr. of H110. My mould drops the bullets at 260 gr. with WW.

Also, have the Ranch Dog 265GC which runs closer to 280 gr. and it shoots well with H110 also. However, RD has closed his business so it would be a tough mold to find at this point.

Could not get the Lee 240GC to feed well in my rifle. Their 200 gr. FN does well, however, if you want a light weight plain based bullet. The Lyman 429215 GC feeds well and is accurate. Although I've never used it for hunting, suspect it would be adequate for medium sized game such as deer. That heavy 429244 is likely more bullet than necessary for that purpose...but if I had one bullet to chose for the rifle...the 429244 would be it. Certainly agree with NHlever on that one.

My rifle has a microgroove barrel even though it is a Winchester and stamped as such. Suspect it must have been made by Marlin...slugs at .432 as well.

[Four Fingers of Death]

Win 94 44Mag, my first Levergun, sold it to feed kids :(

[Ekalb2000]

Pics added
http://cid-c49cac3b81743ebf.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/44mag

And thank you all for some of your load data. Was just at the sports shop and they had 110 and 296. No large pistol primes yet. I have some 231 but my book does not have any load data for the 310gr boolit.

[webbertelli]

I have been using Lee's 310g gaschecked bullet in my 16" trapper model( with the Big-D lever). It casts beautifully and makes a hell of impressive bullet. It kicks like a mule when used with 16-17 grains of Accurate no9 but in close brush it would stop almost anything.

[Sprue]

I am headed up to visit my mother in WVa on saturday for a week. The guy works with me and said he would hold onto it. He also has a ruger super blackhawk. 7 bills for both of them. I told him if he sells them I understand, cause I have not put any money down. But he said he would not do that to me., that they would be here when I get back in a week.
I know he has a win94 in 22mag as well that he is lookin to off load. I think 3 for itdont know for sure.



Fire stick, still in FL. But who knows for how long with the F15 leaving.

andy

....just saw your post.

Congrats on the purchase. What town did you come to visit in WV ?

[Ekalb2000]

Sprue,
Went up to Webster Springs. Mom lives up on Point Mt. Not very many souls in them parts either. We gott it all, 4 different bear, 14 deer, and about 30 turkeys. The big bear is getting to brave, might have to take care of him when I go back up in Nov.

Where u at?

[nicholst55]

Ekalb200, be sure to slug the bore on your Winchester. My Trapper .44 Mag runs .432" groove diameter.

[Ekalb2000]

nicholst55, I just snagged some pure lead in 1/2in strips today at work to do that very thing.
I am hoping that mine mics that fat. My lee 310 is dropping them out at 432.5 to 433 on the day of casting. Will check them again this weekend.

[Ekalb2000]

Ekalb200, be sure to slug the bore on your Winchester. My Trapper .44 Mag runs .432" groove diameter.

Slugged it today. 432. The boolits I cast last week are .433. I might not need a sizer. I am hopeing my SBH witha 432 cylinder throat and .431 brl will get by with not sizing as well.

[Four Fingers of Death]

I might sound like a broken record with this, but I always try unsized with LLA, if that works, (and it usually does) thats where it ends.

[Ekalb2000]

Fingers, Im thinkin of doing that very thing. But substituting this first go round with my lube. Hey, I gotta try it.

[WyrTwister]

Might pick one up here locally from a guy. Under four bills.
Quick question for yall that cast for these.
What lee mold feeds good in these.
Pics would be real cool as well.

thanks andy

I have 2 of those rifles , bought after Winchester went under . Have never shot either one & probably will not .

I sometimes shoot a Marlin ,44 Mag . I tried the SWC's that I hac been casting for the S&W , but they did not feed well . So I bought the Lee 6 cavity RNL mold and those feed slick .

Pretty much the story for other pistol caliber lever guns , the RN bullets almost always feed .

God bless
Wyr

[James C. Snodgrass]

Ekalb, does it have 12 lands of rifling ? I know it sounds like I'm talking about a Marlin but my 94 AE Wrangler has 12 lands and grooves I did purchase new and bought it the 1st year or so of the Big lever loop . Mine will feed about anything you put in it and have recently been shootin' the 200 gr Lee rnfp unsized with LLA . Good luck James:drinks:

[Ekalb2000]

James,
It has the 12 lands and grooves, so yes its a marlin brl.

Wry,
You should atleast shoot one of them. I got he lee 310 but have not made up a dummy yet. Need to really.