Lead anyone?

[22lover]

Anyone got the cojones to bid on this lot?

http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=2495745&convertTo=USD

[lylejb]

:bigsmyl2:try this one

http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=2470804&convertTo=USD

[finishman2000]

or how about this one...
http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=2470804&convertTo=USD

[22lover]

Saw those too, but figured no one would be interested in having USG personnel witness the material's "mutilation." Not a requirement for the "small" lot in my firt post!

[jforwel]

I wonder how long it would take to mulitate with a turkey fryer. Would they stick around until it was finished? :drinks:

[SciFiJim]

Hmm. The first one is less than 200 miles from me.

[snaggdit]

Mutilate? It's lead bars!?! Would making them lead ingots count? How about just showing up with a chainsaw and a few chains and going to town? Toss the half bars into the back of the semi and keep going? 40 tons would last a bunch of folks a loooong time to cast with. What is the total net weight a semi can haul? I got a buddy that is a vice pres at Foster Trucking in Superior, WI. $150 bucks? Hmmm.

[Nora]

Anyone willing to Honcho a GB for it??

[Bob.]

Anyone got the cojones to bid on this lot?

http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=2495745&convertTo=USD

That looks like a group buy!

[.357]

I'd participate. :D

[leadman]

40k is about a normal load in a freight truck. The second auction is in small enough pieces to fit in pick up trucks.

[snaggdit]

40k is about a normal load in a freight truck. The second auction is in small enough pieces to fit in pick up trucks.

Yeah, a large convoy of them! The first one is in too big of chunks to load, IMHO. So, it would take a couple semis. Kinda what I thought. And truckers don't like to hang around for a day or 2 while someone hacks up 80K # of lead and load the trailer(s). And then there is the composition issue. What exactly is it? Pure, hard, who knows?

[WILCO]

Man, I got all excited and was breathing hard when I saw those pics......:-D

[JIMinPHX]

Mutilate? What is the total net weight a semi can haul?

Max gross varies by state. I think that 72,000 & 80,000 are the most common max gross weights for standard semi's.

[armyrat1970]

That 500lb. block would be nice if it would be sold seperately. Would never have to buy anymore and it can't be that large. One and a half cubic feet maybe? Cutting them up would be the main problem. I don't have a pot big enough the handle the weight and size.:)

[snaggdit]

IIRC from a thread a few months ago, 14" square is a ton of pure lead.

[fishhawk]

actualy a cube 14 x14 x14 is 1143.33 lbs 17x17x17 is 2047.08 lbs steve k

[snaggdit]

Shoot, that was it, how big was 1000 lbs of lead.

[fishhawk]

13.5x13.5x13.5 is 1025.16 lbs steve k http://www.maycoindustries.com/Calculators/geometry_xls.htm

[snaggdit]

Shoot, that was it, how big was 1000 lbs of lead.

Yeah, what I meant was I remembered incorrectly. The older thread was discussing the size of 1000# of lead. I dimly remembered 14" square. Can you imagine the 10k# chunk? 29" cube - 10,000 lbs!

[SciFiJim]

:mrgreen: Imagine the cast iron pot to melt that whole thing down in!

There would be some serious work to break down those blocks to usable size.

[Salmon-boy]

Ok guys, the scary thing is that I've made propane burners from common plumbing parts and a furnace that would do serious damage to a 1 ton pile of smaller ingots in a day... Google "Reil burner" and work from there..

Kittery is oh so close to me. This is tempting.. Take some time off from work, Stop by the dump and pick up a couple water heaters, 100lbs of propane, some perlite and I'm seriously thinking it's doable in a week or two....

The only problem is what to do with the dross? It then becomes hazardous waste.

[Salmon-boy]

Ok, I just hit on a bathtub idea.. Anyone close to kittery, Maine?

[felix]

Chuck, put the dross into the next batch of whatever. A great percentage will go into solution, depending on what you re-charge with. ... felix

[Salmon-boy]

Felix, I hears you, but 80,000 lbs of lead must produce one he double hockey sticks lots of dross.. Disposal would be a financial nightmare in this time of DEP nazis... Not to mention Al Gore watching over my shoulder at all the CO2 I'm producing in melting it.. :-)

[fishhawk]

so why not store it as is? and just melt down smaller amounts as needed? the lead pipe i got last summer stacks up just fine as is. why make more of a project than it needs to be? steve k

[oldoak2000]

Would attaching little stickers (with Obama's pickture on it) qualify as mutilation ?[smilie=1:

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[22lover]

I'm in for a measley 2 flat rate boxes filled to the brim if someone gets this and makes small ingots. Probably more than that will fall off the truck in transport.

Thanks,

Bill

[leadman]

My son is driving for Swift now in the Southwest area. All his loads are just under 80,000 total.
In Michigan certain times of the year if you have the proper permit you can weigh up to 131,000.
China has a post on that recycle website that they want to buy dross. Wouldn't even have to move it that far. Seems they are paying about 20 cents a pound.

[Freightman]

The 27,000# lot would be a lot easer to haul as 13,500# 1/2 of the lot would be a goose neck trailer full and two trailers and two 1 ton PU would handle that, the real problem is permits. Even if you use your private PU they will require permits.

[SciFiJim]

I am not familiar with the permit process. What would you need permits for? A private vehicle pulling a private trailer wouldn't get a second glance.

[softpoint]

Wilco!http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg72/Texas-Fred/thlaugh3.gif

[softpoint]

Freightman, Would the states between Texas and Cal. honor farm registration? Thats what we do here inTex, I sometimes haul 25000 on my F450 and gooseneck:coffeecom

[Rio Grande]

27000 pounds - heck, that ain't nuthin.
Only one round ball, about 50.07 inch in diameter, according to my quick calculation.
We could just roll it to where we wanted.

[SciFiJim]

It would be one heck of a cannonball. I wonder how much black powder that would take?:kidding:

[Recluse]

The only problem is what to do with the dross? It then becomes hazardous waste.

How far away are you from Barney Frank's house or the Kennedy compound?

:coffee:

[Rooster]

I don't care who you are, that right there is funny.

[snaggdit]

+1 lol

[MakeMineA10mm]

I dunno on that latter lot, fellas.

Naval base.

13-14 tons of lead, much of it in sheet and blocks...

Requirement for mutilation.......


I'm thinking it's naval nuclear reactor shielding! :bigsmyl2:

[Salmon-boy]

I'm almost certain that's what it's from, and ballast.... But it just makes Recluse's comment that much more funny!

Hmmmmm, 72,266lbs ~= 2.5 million 230gr .452 boolits, or almost 4.5 million 125gr 9mm boolits.


I think I am a sick, sick man for continuing to think about this!

[snaggdit]

Well, even if it was shielding. It can't become radioactive itself. Gamma rays are stopped by shielding but are just energy, not something that still exists once stopped. Beta particles have no penatration ability. Yes, they still have some radiation emmision, but cannot even penetrate clothing. If you hosed off the pile (on the Kennedys lawn maybe) all that would wash off.

[armyrat1970]

Well, even if it was shielding. It can't become radioactive itself. Gamma rays are stopped by shielding but are just energy, not something that still exists once stopped. Beta particles have no penatration ability. Yes, they still have some radiation emmision, but cannot even penetrate clothing. If you hosed off the pile (on the Kennedys lawn maybe) all that would wash off.

Now I like that about the Kennedy's lawn.

[OeldeWolf]

I know someone who would love to go in with me on the lot at Sharpe's. The only problem is that 10k weight. I can take a ton easy, even 1,5 ton has been in the PU. But that 10k monster .... just no way do I have the wherewithal to move the sucker. And the stuff is just down the freeway from me, too! :(

[only1asterisk]

I know someone who would love to go in with me on the lot at Sharpe's. The only problem is that 10k weight. I can take a ton easy, even 1,5 ton has been in the PU. But that 10k monster .... just no way do I have the wherewithal to move the sucker. And the stuff is just down the freeway from me, too! :(

UHaul $39.99 daily rental.

[snaggdit]

Yeah, but do they have an overhead crane to set it on a trailer? 10k is not going to magically find it's way on to a trailer. I would tend to expect it is sitting within range of one, how else did they place it where it is. Problem is, they might have used a portable crane that is not available to the winner of the auction.

[SciFiJim]

I took another look at the picture of the 10k piece. It looks like lead was poured into a steel box. You would have to cut away the steel before you could chainsaw chunks off of the block. It looks like it is upside down and has an iron pallet welded to the bottom. I don't know much about forklifts, how much can one lift?

[snaggdit]

The ones I used in college could only handle a few thousand pounds. But that was smaller propane units. Larger gas or diesel units would be more, but I question 10K. It is the position of the weight compared to the wheelbase that decides. I flipped a crane once (with feet down!) thinking I had 5/8 sidewall 36" pipe (30' long) when it turned out to be 15" sidewall 36" pipe for steam in a nuke plant. It had end caps on and was not labeled properly. I was fine until I swung it out 40' to load on the trailer. Instead of 4K it was 45K. Boss was upset, but not really mad at me. He told me to move it...

[MakeMineA10mm]

When I looked into buying surplus military brass, there was a notation that they'd (the military) would load it on your vehicle for you. Don't know how they'd feel about loading the lead for you, but it would be worth asking the "point-of-contact" fellow at the local base whose name and number is usually provided if you look around/follow enough links. If you win, you'll certainly get his name and number! [smilie=1:

[OeldeWolf]

U-Haul... now there is a thought. And maybe rent a plasma cutter and use my HEPA respirator to remove the steel case. But I wonder where to get a crane to remove it from the truck once here.

At least nobody would be stealing THAT out of the yard...

[SciFiJim]

But I wonder where to get a crane to remove it from the truck once here.

Back up real fast and slam on the brakes.:redneck:

[xr650]

The ones I used in college could only handle a few thousand pounds. But that was smaller propane units. Larger gas or diesel units would be more, but I question 10K. It is the position of the weight compared to the wheelbase that decides.

10K is not a large load for an appropriate sized forklift.
Our forklift is rated at 21K. I routinely move 10K of pipe spread over 8' forks.

I tried to talk the HMFWIC into a 50K machine. Now thats a forklift. ;)

[SciFiJim]

Ya. But would it cost to rent one for a day?