Tomorrow in History...

[markinalpine]

...July 9, 1776: Following a reading of the newly published Declaration of Independence to Continental Army soldiers in New York, a group of Manhattanites and members of the Sons of Liberty, topple King George III’s statue in the city. The lead from the statue will be melted down to make musket balls.

Cast Boolits 233 years ago! :castmine:

Mark [smilie=w:

[462]

And those balls helped found the greatest country ever concieved by man.

I wonder: How many of today's sheeple are willing to fight for their freedom, even if it meant their death? Sadly, too few, I suspect...

[largom]

This past weekend we celebrated Independence Day. For the rest of our lives we shall mourn the freedoms our government is taking away from us.

[SciFiJim]

I wonder: How many of today's sheeple are willing to fight for their freedom, even if it meant their death? Sadly, too few, I suspect...

From the casual comments that I am hearing form unexpected places (liberals and apoliticals) I suspect that given the right circumstances, many will at least support active opposition to the imperial government that is developing.

[Blammer]

if you study the American revolution, it was a handfull of revolutionaries that did it.

Many of the masses were fairly apathetic to the cause. They just kind of followed along.

[geargnasher]

This past weekend we celebrated Independence Day. For the rest of our lives we shall mourn the freedoms our government is taking away from us.

It isn't our "govenment" that is taking away the freedoms so dearly paid for with blood for over 200 years, it's the above mentioned sheeple. Over generations, they have been voting in socialist bureacrats who are taking away those freedoms. And we let them do it. For the rest of my life I will fight them any way I can, and I hope, my friend, that you will too.

Gear

[snaggdit]

Over generations, they have been voting in socialist bureacrats who are taking away those freedoms. Gear

Oh, but they are offering handouts! What a trade off! As a bumpersticker said the other day. "Oh well, I wasn't using my civil liberties anyway"

[clodhopper]

We the sheeple, through our apathy are allowing this to happen. Get your senators and rep numbers on speed dial. When ever the notion strikes give 'em a call. It's easy they will never know what you want if you don't tell them.

[markinalpine]

...this was supposed to be a history lesson.:kidding:

ANYHOOO, I found a better reference, if anyone wants to become more edumicated: http://www.connecticutsar.org/articles/king_georges_head.htm

Mark :coffeecom

[Nora]

I wonder: How many of today's sheeple are willing to fight for their freedom, even if it meant their death? Sadly, too few, I suspect...

I respectfully disagree. Our founding fathers established this nation. Sense then we as a people have done very well to defend it. Today we are the greatest nation in the world. Every time less once that this nation was called upon to defend it's self or it's beliefs, it did so admirably. (The way our brethren who were called upon to fight in the Viet Nam conflict were treated was a complete disgrace.) The past 20 years has proven that we are able to keep our borders safe, and when attacked take the fight to those who appose us. How many have fought and served us proud in our armed forces since our independence? How many have taken up a supporting role to keep us strong? Our "new" 4th of July, 9-11 proves the resolve of this nation and it's willingness to fight for our freedom. IMVHO if feel all those involved in creating this as an independent nation would be proud of us today.

Nora

[felix]

Nora, I would somewhat agree as posted by 462.. Consider the caliber of folks on the Hill doing the following:
...........................

Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?

Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died.

Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.

Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured.

Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.

They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.

What kind of men were they?

Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated, but they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.

Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.

Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.

Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.

Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.

John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished.


... felix

[mpmarty]

Nora, unfortunately the majority of the electorate in this country is either:
Employed directly by government
Employed by a firm dependent on government subsidy
On welfare or other public assistance
A member of a Union who believes the drivel fed them by the union
Or, is just too stupid to argue with ACORN when they come by in their bus.

The rest of us just wince and carry on hoping for the best and knowing it ain't coming.

Felix; please try Snopes on your little ditty as it aint so.

[felix]

Marty, I wish there was an unfailing source of history, but unfortunately that belongs only to the Douay-Rheims Bible, and that based upon faith. ... felix

[armyrat1970]

I recieve many emails from NRA, concerned citizens, Glenn Beck and other sources concerning what is happening in our government right now. The increase in government and the increase in spending is atrocious and an abomination to the way our forefathers first set it up to be and gave their lives and welfare for. Our freedoms are passing before our eyes. I send constant emails to my congressmen and representives. Thanking them for the good they do and rebuking them for the bad they do. They are even thinking about another stimilus package. Government health care. We don't need any more of this crap. I believe the Cap and Trade or whatever it is called has been passed. Man. How much more of a tax burden can they put on us while they still feel free to vote themselves a raise? They want to vote in another stimilus package, let it come out of their pockets not ours. Let them cut their salaries by half. They at least still have a job while hundreds of thousands of us are losing ours day by day. I am one of the lucky ones that still have a job.
Nora??? Do you really believe our borders are secure??????
We have to first start with the vote in the up coming elections to try to turn this around. If it doesn't work. I've fought for this country before in the Nam. I will fight even harder now because it is in my homeland. My backyard. Concerning my family and their welfare. I have not trusted this government by the people and for themselves since my military service and never will. Our own apathy is what has gotten us to the point we are at now. When they come to take our guns, it will be to late to make a stand. I hope not though. I hope there are many that will rise in opposition against this progressing regime. The US of A is now nothing like it was from the beginning and only getting worse with each passing day.

[StrawHat]

Felix; please try Snopes on your little ditty as it aint so.

What "ain't so"?

[cajun shooter]

armyrat 1970, I too became disillusioned after my service in 65-67. It was from what I found to be lies and untruths I was fed. Mcnamara's War will always be one that stinks. This country was fed so much crap that the people who did it should be in prison. A lot of brave people died and were returned home that never could have the life that they should. He spent the rest of his life trying to say he was wrong and sorry. THe men and women who served can stand proud for the job that they did. I think those of us who went through those times are a little scared that we are being fed the same menu now.

[Freightman]

I didn't originate this but heard it in the movie the Untouchables "WHAT ARE YOU PREPAIRED TO DO?"
Ever hear of the 3% rule, that is the ones who are prepaired to go the distance!

[Nora]

Nora??? Do you really believe our borders are secure??????


No I do not. The word I used was "safe" not "secure".
A seat belt in a car crash can help keep you safe. It is not a grantee against death.
Security is a state of mind which we can not always control to our liking.

[462]

Nora,

How many of the sheeple have the courage of the Founding Fathers? How many would fight a domestic enemy? Very few, I submit. Heck, very few even set aside time to understand the issues or vote. Patriotism has been replaced by selfishness and apathy. I, like the signers of the Declaration of Independance, would sacrifice my life, fortune (however miniscule it is) and my sacred honor to fight that domestic enemy. And, it seems, too, in reading the posts, there are many here who feel the same. But the sheeple? That is my point.

Also, living in California, I can say without fear of contradiction by anyone, that our borders are not secure.

And, yes there are those who serve proudly in the military -- I did my 4-years, one of them in Viet Nam -- and I see you sport airbourne wings.

[Nora]

462,

Perhaps I should ask your definition of "sheeple" I may have missed your intended point. I was thinking along the lined as stated in the Declaration of Independence as "We The People" ,as a nation, not "we the elected officials" who find it difficult to adequately represent "the people" who elected them into office. But then too, I feel you are also right that far to many, even who have taken the oath of enlistment have not taken the statement of "To defend this nation against ALL enemies BOTH foreign AND domestic" serious enough.

yup the wings are real......

How many musket ball do you think they actually got out of that statue???

[Dollar Bill]

I think it's a matter of perspective. In 1776, the U.S. population was 2,527,450. Does anyone believe that 2 million people took up arms then? Or even 1 million? It's always the dedicated few that take up for all those that cann't or won't. Some of you here have obviously had some bad experiences with the government, the masses, or maybe your neighbors. Hey, I have too. Fortunately, I'm was priviledged to serve our country, and continue to live and work with the present "Greatest Generation", the men and women of the 18th Airborne Corps. I am constantly amazed at the feats of heroism I see on a regular basis. The guy who, at 190 lbs, from on top of a car crashed laying on the driver's side, lifted a 210 lb soldier up and out of the burning vehicle. The serious accident off post, on a weekend when 4 people run up and say "I'm a combat medic, what do you need?". The 28 year old female Seargent who, upon seeing a car with 2 old ladies get run off the road and into a pond, dived in and saved both their lives. The young female MP, whose convoy encounters and ambush, leads the way, killing the enemy and saving her comrades, most of whom she didn't know. I could go on, but I think you get the point. I have 2 daughters, both in college, both smart, tough, idealistic, but realistic at the same time. The do what they can, when they can, to contribute to society to the benefit of all. Blood drives, charity events, volunteer work. The future is what we make of it.

Do not despair, it's the handmaiden of defeat.

It's true that Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know. That's how it should be.

[Lead Fred]

Get your senators and rep numbers on speed dial. .


Mine are full blown commies. They would turn me in to homeland if I called them.

[snaggdit]

Mine are full blown commies. They would turn me in to homeland if I called them.

Try mine. Obey and Feingold. Almost embarrassed to say so.

[462]

Nora,
Sheeple (sheep/people) are the incompetent, non-self-sufficient, morally bankrupt, ill-educated, societal leeches who are incapable of serious thought and are easily herded. Look around, they are everywhere.

snaggdit,
I have you beat, my senators are Pelosi and Boxer.
I've written letters and sent e-mails, not one of which were acknowledged or replied to.

[Nora]

462,
Ahhh gotcha. I miss understood. Sorry [smilie=f:

Nora

[462]

Nora,

Quite alright...I've been misunderstood since childhood.

[nicholst55]

I have you beat, my senators are Pelosi and Boxer.

Not to nitpick, but Pelosi was Speaker of the House, last I checked. ;-) I belive your second U.S. Senator is Diane Feinstein.

But I do agree; mine are Miksulski and Cardin; two die-hard, toe-the-party-line Democrats. They never met a bill sponsored by another Democrat that they didn't like.

[Rockydog]

Snaggdit, Don't forget our illustrious feel good Herb Kohl, our wonderful Governor Doyle and the clan in Das Kapital of Madison. My disgust at my own elected officials is only exceeded by Minnesota and the election thief Al Franken. What the hell has this country come to? RD

[462]

nicholst55,

Man, is my face ever red. So much for my future credibility.

[armyrat1970]

Not to nitpick, but Pelosi was Speaker of the House, last I checked. ;-) I belive your second U.S. Senator is Diane Feinstein.

But I do agree; mine are Miksulski and Cardin; two die-hard, toe-the-party-line Democrats. They never met a bill sponsored by another Democrat that they didn't like.

Pelosi and Feinstein. Now there's a pair that I'd like to have on my side. Idiots both of them. But they fit in very well with the up rising regime.
Nora, I thank you ( and all others out there) for your service. Our borders are in no way safe or secure. In the mid 80's I applied for an overseas job as a weldor and fitter listed in my local newspaper. Some place in Saudi Arabia. To make a long story short. They were asking for money to process the application and asking for your passport. I sent to $50 for the processing but not a passport. Heard a few things and contacted my local FBI agent. Come to find out it was a raghead terroist group trying to get funds and American passports to infiltrate terrorist into the country. They busted them in Houston Texas. This was back in the mid 80's. How many cells do you think they have operating in our country now?
I enlisted in '69 at the age of 17 when others were burning their draft cards. I put in a 1049 for Nam at the age of 18 while serving with the 1st Armored Division in Ft.Hood, Texas when others were fleeing to Canada to avoid the draft and military service. I am not a sheep or a slackerd and will never be one. I have worked hard all my life for the little I have and have always provided for my family. Once this regime takes this away from me and us, there will be a fight on.
But it has to be first tried with the vote. I am believing their are so many sheep out there right now that we, the ones that will stand, are in the minority though. I feel as 462. The majority don't have the balls to fight. The minority that do will be the ones to save the majority of the spinless sheep. And we will still love them because that's what's in us and that's the way we are.
I truely hope it doesn't come to this but if history has taught us anything, every powerful nation has fallen in someway shape or form. Some from outside powers and some from within. Our failure will come from within.
I only hope, if it does, it happens in my lifetime. While I am still here to help my family survive.