Lyman 311413 HP

[Ben]

I own a pair of Lyman 311413 molds. Both single cav. molds.

I decided to take one of the molds and send it to Erik for HP'ing.

My mold arrived today....very quick turn-a -round time by Erik !

Wow........this was a super accurate bullet prior to Erik's work, can't wait to try these out at the range now.

Ben

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/311413%20HP/PICT0001.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/311413%20HP/PICT0004.jpg

[dk17hmr]

I have a 311413 single cav mold, I really like it but I think I would like it more if it were HP'ed.

Waiting for a range report.

[Ben]

Doug :

May be a few days, but when they are tested you'll see the test targets here....!

Ben

[fj3fury]

Are there any tricks to pouring with the hp molds? I have a lyman 40 cal mold that I got frustrated with over incomplete pours in the nose area.

[Doc_Stihl]

Those are beauties.

I'm looking forward to hearing how they work.

Did you have a nose punch made for that?

[Ben]

fj3fury :

Mold must be 101% squeaky clean....I often have to
clean my molds 2 -3-4 times with denatured alcohol and smoke them with a butane lighter before I get a complete fill out.

The alloy must be clean, hot and for me ladle poured. I don't have a lot of luck with bottom pour. Some of these other guys will disagree with what I've just said.

About 1-2 % tin added to you alloy will help.

Must cast at a fairly quick pace. The pin should be dipped into the alloy to " pre-heat " it.

Ben

[Ben]

Doc_Stihl :

The HP pin and HP'ing of the mold was not done by Lyman, all work done by Erik at :

http://www.hollowpointmold.com/

[fj3fury]

Thank you Ben. Would you use the 10% tin to 90% lead alloy or a softer one?

[GOPHER SLAYER]

Ben , you said your 311413 was super accurate before hollow pointing. What gun were you using it in and what were the loads? I have not had very good results with that bullit design in my 30.06 SPGFLD or Ruger #1 in 30.30. I must say that they cast beautifully almost from the first pour.

[dk17hmr]

The 311413 isnt a high speed bullet. I use it in my Springfield 1903 at about 1550-1650fps. Any faster for me and might as well be shooting a shotgun.

[Ben]

Gopher Slayer :

I shot this with the Lyman 311413 from a WW I , Eddystone 1917 Enfield with military peep sights.
10 shots 50 yards.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/PICT0002-22.jpg

What has been said about the 413' not being pushed too hard is absolutely correct. Keep it in it's speed range and it is a shooter ! !

Here is a target I fired ( 5 shots @ 50 yards ) with the 311413 sized .310, 24.5 grs. Surplus IMR 4895, Fed 210 in My Ruger # 1 , Stainless , .308 Win. :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/IMG_0377Small2.jpg

BTW Gopher Slayer , do you have a Ruger # 1 in 30/30 ? ?
Quote:

I have not had very good results with that bullit design in my 30.06 SPGFLD or Ruger #1 in 30.30.

[BarryinIN]

Those are some cool looking boolits.
I have a 311413 SC (It's precisely half my .30 cal mould collection so far!) and thought it would make a neat HP. At least I know now that it would make a neat looking HP boolit.

Eagerly awaiting a range report also.

[Ben]

BarryinIN :

Good luck with your 413', just remember ....no " Hot-Rodin " with the 413'

1500 - 1650 fps and it is a good performer.

Ben

[Ben]

fj3fury :

Anything more than 2% tin is a waste........

[BarryinIN]

BarryinIN :

Good luck with your 413', just remember ....no " Hot-Rodin " with the 413'

1500 - 1650 fps and it is a good performer.

Ben

That's what I'm picking up from reading about it on here.
I got it mostly because the price was right (I know, that should be a clue). I have several .30 caliber rifles, so hopefully something will shoot it well enough to make it worth keeping around.

[Ben]

BarryinIN:

In the 30/06 , try 11.5 grs. Unique with the 311413 ( size your bullets to .309 or preferably .310 ) , when you seat the bullet in the case , allow it to be seated up into the rifling so that the ogive of the bullet lightly engraves on the rifling of your barrel.

You might like this load..........I DO ! !

[crazy mark]

Ben,
You are going hog wild. Pretty soon you will have as many HP moulds as Beagle and me. My 2 groove '03 likes the 311413 HP's at 1500-1800 FPS. I have pushed them out of a mas 49/56 at 2100 FPS with 3-4" groups at 100 yds. I keep my HP pin hot using a propane torch and I bottom pour. It doesn't hurt to hit the bottom of the mould with a torch for 5-10 seconds every 10 or so boolits. Mark

[MtGun44]

+1 for moderate loads being accurate with 311413. My K31 loves it over 10 gr Unique. Also
did well with 16.0 2400 and 15.0 IMR 4227 - moderate loads all.

Bill

[GOPHER SLAYER]

Thanks Ben for the info and pictures of the groups.If my rifle shot that well I would sleep with it under the bed and take it to church on Sunday.Yes I have a Ruger #1 in 30-30 but I put the barrel on myself. It is a Win. match barrel originally in .308, a cartridge I have little regard for. I tried to make the barrel work on a pre-war mod.70. I found the .308 had so little neck I could not get to work well with cast bullits, which is all I have any interest in shooting these days. I even bought a marksman stock for the rifle. Since that project didn't work out I cut the barrel off at the breach ,chambered it in the afore mentioned 30-30 and installed it on the Ruger. I have many 30 cal moulds but the one that works best is a weird looking design made by Hoch. It is a nose pour and it looks like a cylinder. It is a gc design and it shoots very well. It just looks stupid. I have no idea why anyone would pay the price to have the mould made and pick that design. I do have another Hock mould that belonged to the same man and it is a beaut. It is a 165 grn..32 cal. I have never cast with it since I don't have a .32 cal. rifle.The closest I have is an Aydt design single single shot in 8.15x46r and it is a .319 bore.I have another Lyman mould that works great in it. The problem with the Aydt is it's weight. It is a beautiful offhand rifle but it is just too heavy for me to shoot except from the bench and it was just not designed for that. I have several nice single shot rifles and I will post pictures of them as soon as I learn to use my new H/P scanner. Well I have blabbed long enough. I seems when I start to talk guns I don't know when to quit. Thanks again.

[BarryinIN]

BarryinIN:

In the 30/06 , try 11.5 grs. Unique with the 311413 ( size your bullets to .309 or preferably .310 ) , when you seat the bullet in the case , allow it to be seated up into the rifling so that the ogive of the bullet lightly engraves on the rifling of your barrel.

You might like this load..........I DO ! !


Thanks for the load and info.

You too, MtGun 44!

[Ben]

GOPHER SLAYER :

Cast bullets and the 30/30 are a great combination. The long neck of the 30/30 in a rifle like the Ruger # 1 make for a fine .30 cal cast bullet shooting combination. I bet that one is a real shooter !

Best,

Ben

[Bret4207]

Ben, I'd always wondered if the Squibb would shoot better HP'd. Nice job, I'll be waiting for the range report. My thought was the HP would move the CG back far enough to fix some of the instability.

'hey , that's prtettybgood typing consdring i'v got 10 week old kid in my lappp.............

[Ben]

Bret4207 :

My exact thoughts. I've never HP'd a bullet that shot worse than it did prior to HP'ing.

I'm thinking this one is going to be a " nail driver " with the CG moved farther back to the rear.

Ben

[BarryinIN]

Slight drift here, but didn't want to start a new thread:

How much are you guys lubing on the 413s? I was putting lube in every groove that would hold it at first, then did some reading about groups improving when using less lube (although it was another bullet design). So now I'm just filling the space above the gas check and one lube groove; leaving the top groove empty. If nothing else, this adjustment stopped the occasional "squirt-by" of lube I'd get since the top groove is so close to where the ogive starts.

It will be a while before I can test any and find out if it makes a difference. I go to the rifle range when the kids are in school, and it will be a couple more months until they go back.
By then, I should have plenty of things ready to try, though.

[Bret4207]

Just my worthless opinion, but I'm a believer in "each gun is a law unto itself" idea. Try lubing various number of grooves, that's the only way to tell for sure.

[BarryinIN]

Yeah, you're right, I guess. It usually is best to try everything in everything.
It just takes more shooting.
Darn that.

[Ben]

For whatever this is worth ( and you guys are RIGHT, every rifle is unto itself ), I lube the g/c shank and the single lube groove in the middle of the bullet. The top groove is always empty in my 413's when I shoot them.

Mine shoot just fine like this. I can shoot 100 - 150 rds , push a clean cotton patch through the barrel and it sparkles inside.

Ben