THANK YOU Dale53!

[Butcher45]

Sending out a BIG thank you to Dale53 for dealing me my first boolit mold: a nice 4 cavity #454424 in good condition, that casts oversized boolits (just what I need). I got it in the mail today, and he took great care in packing this mold: I really appreciate that.

I have a hunting partner that has the whole set-up to cast, and will be putting this mold to good use soon. These slugs should prove to be tack-drivers out of my .456 caliber air rifle.

:cbpour::cbpour::cbpour:

[Dale53]

Glad to help out, Butcher!

Dale53

[Heavy lead]

Sending out a BIG thank you to Dale53 for dealing me my first boolit mold: a nice 4 cavity #454424 in good condition, that casts oversized boolits (just what I need). I got it in the mail today, and he took great care in packing this mold: I really appreciate that.

I have a hunting partner that has the whole set-up to cast, and will be putting this mold to good use soon. These slugs should prove to be tack-drivers out of my .456 caliber air rifle.

:cbpour::cbpour::cbpour:

Please enlighten us on this .456 caliber air rifle.:holysheep

[Buckshot]

Please enlighten us on this .456 caliber air rifle.:holysheep

...........Maybe it's one of those that uses this magical powder you initiate with a flame that creates hundreds of cubic feet of hot air? :-) I've heard of those, ha! Sorry.

..............Buckshot

[Slow Elk 45/70]

...........Maybe it's one of those that uses this magical powder you initiate with a flame that creates hundreds of cubic feet of hot air? :-) I've heard of those, ha! Sorry.

..............Buckshot


That is hard to leave alone....[smilie=1:

[Dale53]

I knew NOTHING about large caliber air rifles until Butcher45 contacted me regarding the mould.

However, I have Googled "Large Caliber Air Rifles" and discovered a fascinating subject:

http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/bandit_1.html

Here is a VERY interesting site:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=510504

Who wudda thunk it???

Dale53

[ghh3rd]

Even Louis and Clark used a large caliber air rifle:

http://www4.vmi.edu/museum/air_rifle.html

[Butcher45]

...........Maybe it's one of those that uses this magical powder you initiate with a flame that creates hundreds of cubic feet of hot air? :-) I've heard of those, ha! Sorry.

..............Buckshot




That is hard to leave alone....[smilie=1:



Well, considering the fact that Buckshot is a super-moderator, and I would like to post here in the future (hehe), the smart move would be to leave it alone. As hard as it can be to let go, always remember: NEVER mess with a moderator!

However, I was asked to enlighten, and it will be interesting to check on Buckshot in the future to see how he likes his new bigbore air rifle. Chances are he will be wanting one ASAP after reading what I have to say.


Please enlighten us on this .456 caliber air rifle.:holysheep


This is my (self painted) SamYang 909 .456 bigbore air rifle. A boolit casters dream, seeing as there is no need to purchase powder, primers, shells or reloading equipment. All you need is a HillPump (I'll explain), your beloved BOOLITS cast from about BHN10 or softer alloy, and the air surrounding you to propel it.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/morehuntingpics006.jpg

You can load them into the rifle the second they cool, step out onto the back 40, and let er' rip. No need to spend time, or money on reloading supplies/equipment.

With reloading supplies costing what they do these days, that has GOT to get your attention.

Here is the first large animal I shot with my SamYang 909, to prove to myself that the rifle was capable of taking a deer. That is the EXIT wound on the shoulder; the result of a PRS 250 weighing 255grains cast from almost pure lead by Springfield Slim. The meat processor I brought the ram to after having gutted it, said it looked as though it had been shot with a 30-06 (a testament to the power of the .32 meplat).

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/MyFirstRam.jpg

After gaining confidence in my rifle's abilities, I gathered three other bigbore airgun hunters to join me in Oklahoma to hunt feral wild boar. We all used .45caliber air rifles, mine being the least powerful of the bunch. One guy brought a .45 air rifle that (other than the stock and airtube) he built himself.

We each dropped our hogs where they stood, with one well-placed shot to the brain. This father, and his son were fortunate enough to get their hogs on the same night shooting 205 grain SWC's that appeared to be the Lyman 452460 design.


http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/Willandson.jpg


My buddy Jim shot his 100lb boar behind the ear, and out the front of the head with a DD-PRS 390, again cast in soft lead by Springfield Slim.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/JimsShilohHog.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/MakeSureShot.jpg

[Butcher45]

I shot my 80-or-so pound boar with a Lyman 45266 kindly provided by LeftoverDJ

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/MyFirstHog.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/Headshot.jpg


The rifle can be charged with 2500-3200psi of air in one of two ways: the easy way is a scuba tank with a specialized yoke and air fittings. The not-as-easy way (still not to tough) is with a HillPump. I get 4-6 full power shots out of my rifle with one charge of air. 4-5 shots of 240grainers all shoot between 693, and 699fps out of my rifle. I don't care who you are, that is a very low deviance in FPS.
It usually cost a few bucks to fill your scuba tank at the scuba shop, but once you buy a HillPump you have a lifetime of free propellant (sounds nice, doesn't it?).

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/DSCN5507.jpg



Here is a video demonstration, showing a near pure lead 207grain Devastator shot from my air rifle into three bags of water.


http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/th_19a71045.jpg (http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/?action=view&current=19a71045.pbr)

Two groups I shot after a days hunt, using the EPP/UG design cast in about BHN9 alloy (again, Springfield Slim). They are the only groups I shot that day, so these results are typical. 35, and 50 yards off of the steady stix, while sitting on the ground in the field. .6, and .9 inch center to center.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/DSCN5825-1.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/DSCN5826-1.jpg

Here is a group I shot off the monopod while kneeling on both knees at 50 yards using the hollowpoint #454424's cast in near pure lead, sent to me by Grizzly Bear. The printer was accidentally set to print at %97 size, so the small squares on the target are %97 of .5 inch. The monopod got a little wobbly for shot #2 hehe.

It is accuracy like this, that promted me to talk Dale53 out of his #454424 mold. I was thinking of having a cavity modified to drop hollowpoints, but I think I will leave it as is, and get a single cavity #454424 mold to modify instead.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/HollowpointKeith454424009.jpg


My best measured 50 yard group to date off of the steady stix is .45 inch center to center using the .45Slim design from Springfield Slim (same place I got the EPP/UG's, and the PRS 250's used to kill the ram).

I pay $28 for 250 boolits, so I can afford to do target practice with the same boolit I hunt with. When I begin casting my own, hunting/shooting will be dirt cheap.

In conclusion, this is my greatest hunting accomplishment to date. Called-in to 15 yards (after 10 seconds of blowing the Primos Cat-Nip handcall), and shot with a single roundball (didn't have time to zero with anything else before the hunt).



How do you like them apples?



http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/FirstCoyote006.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/FirstCoyote010.jpg

[Butcher45]

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/DSCN5534.jpg

[Butcher45]

Feedback?


Anyone?

[Heavy lead]

This thing looks awesome

[Springfield]

Yeah, I've got some feedback, Chris. About dang time you started casting your own instead of buying mine, and started doing the fun part of reloading(or in your case, just loading):cbpour: And this is the place to learn about it too, lots of good advice and experience on these pages.

[Orygun]

I'm impressed.

[Butcher45]

Yeah, I've got some feedback, Chris. About dang time you started casting your own instead of buying mine, and started doing the fun part of reloading(or in your case, just loading):cbpour: And this is the place to learn about it too, lots of good advice and experience on these pages.


Well since you DID tell me how much of a pain the EPP's are to cast, I will probably have to keep bugging you to sell them to me until I have enough confidence in my casting ability to buy my own EPP/UG mold.

Then there's the matter of that .45-70 "Plinker" mold of yours that throws oversize. I'm about out of those Plinkers, and need to sight-in with what I have left pretty quick so I can kill my next coyote with them.

Of course, you know you could always just sell me that Plinker mold[smilie=1:

[Butcher45]

I'm impressed.

You in Western Oregon? Next time you come thru Corvallis, I'll let you shoot this thing. Bring some BHN6-10, .454-.457 boolits with you if you can!

[oldtoolsniper]

where do I get one?

[briang]

How much does one of those run?

[Dale53]

Butcher45;
Those are impressive pics. Good work!

Dale53

[Butcher45]

where do I get one?



How much does one of those run?


My rifle is a double airtube version SamYang909) that is no longer being imported. It has had a power/consistency tune done to it by an airgunsmith, which costs extra. The extra air capacity allows me to have 4-5 shots within such a tight FPS variance.

The SamYang 909S has less air capacity, but is more powerful in stock form (much more-so than the test results on the PyramidAir site indicate when using heavy slugs) and also capable of being tuned to produce 2 shots at over 300fpe, with a couple of lesser-powered finishing shots (plenty for big game hunting).

These rifles sell very fast, and don't stay in stock for long. Buyers are almost always waiting for the next shipment to arrive.

This is the importer of the SamYang

http://www.pyramydair.com/p/big-bore-909s-sam-yang.shtml

You might get a better deal here.

http://www.adventuresinairguns.com/big-game-c-3.html

If you can find a used 2tube, I highly recommend buying it. This is a good place to keep an eye out for one.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79574/

[Springfield]

And they run on regular bullets as long as the lead is soft, and no lube. So these are a perfect candidate for a LEE sizer. Chris bought a few different Big Lube(tm) bullets from me as he felt that because of the extra large lube groove the bullets tend to have smaller bearing bands, so less friction. Seems to works out OK, going by the pics of his hunting exploits. Be interesting to try different designs with a chronometer to test this . And like I tell everyone, Chris, get yourself some Bullplate Sprue Lube. Not quite as important with a steel mould but it sure keeps everything moving smoothly. www.bullshop.gunloads.com

[Butcher45]

And they run on regular bullets as long as the lead is soft, and no lube. So these are a perfect candidate for a LEE sizer. Chris bought a few different Big Lube(tm) bullets from me as he felt that because of the extra large lube groove the bullets tend to have smaller bearing bands, so less friction. Seems to works out OK, going by the pics of his hunting exploits. Be interesting to try different designs with a chronometer to test this . And like I tell everyone, Chris, get yourself some Bullplate Sprue Lube. Not quite as important with a steel mould but it sure keeps everything moving smoothly. www.bullshop.gunloads.com

When I first saw the EPP/UG's, I was thinking "these look like they were tailor-made for a bigbore air rifle! Very little contact with the very shallow rifling of the SamYang barrel, yet providing a better seal/performance than roundball". So I ordered some, shot them, and they are now my preferred small game slug. Several bigbore airgunners have now tried them in their rifles with excellent results, with only one dissapointment reported (likely a sizing issue).

I do make use of a chronometer when I have one up and running (shot three of them so far LOL ordering a new screen this week). The EPP/UG's cast in soft lead match the speed of roundball in the 909 guns they have been tested in (about 860-870fps in my rifle) while being a little heavier. I need to order more of the un-sized ones to shoot thru a chrony to see their maximum potential, as the barrel likes .4555-.456 slugs best.

Springfield, thanks for the tip on the Bullplate Sprue Lube. I want this mould to last a very long time.

[gwilliams2]

I've been looking for data to build one of these babies (Big Bore Air Rifle)... Apparently there is a book out there called The Modern Pneumatic Airgun by Howard Buckley but I can't seem to locate the book. If anyone has a lead on this it would be greatly appreciated.

Glenn

[ddeaton]

Dale told me about this the other day when we were shooting. I was getting ready to call the boys in with the coat![smilie=l: Thats some cool stuff. Tell us how to build one. I have 4 scuba tanks in the basement doing nothing now as I havent been diving in a few years.

[Butcher45]

I've been looking for data to build one of these babies (Big Bore Air Rifle)... Apparently there is a book out there called The Modern Pneumatic Airgun by Howard Buckley but I can't seem to locate the book. If anyone has a lead on this it would be greatly appreciated.

Glenn



Dale told me about this the other day when we were shooting. I was getting ready to call the boys in with the coat![smilie=l: Thats some cool stuff. Tell us how to build one. I have 4 scuba tanks in the basement doing nothing now as I havent been diving in a few years.


I don' t know where to start as far as directing you to resources to build one other than possibly the book GWilliams refers to. I think it has some directions on how to build a PCP (pre-compressed pneumatic) air rifle. Be careful: 3000psi commands a great deal of respect.

Ever feel like casting/shooting 1000grain, 20mm boolits, but didn't want to pay for the powder/primer/shells/reloading equipment?

BEHOLD! 1000grains @700+fps, driven by nuthin' but sweet, sweet air! The builder is said to be working on one that is MUCH more powerful.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbiPydusWmk&feature=PlayList&p=8D468EF5E7D504D2&index=0



Now THAT is BURLY!




hehe!

[geargnasher]

Feedback?


Anyone?

I'M ABSOLUTELY FREAKIN' ASTONISHED. A year or so ago I heard of a .50 cal air rifle often used to hunt deer in Korea and looked it up, don't remember the brand but seems it was a shade under $1,000. I never clicked to casting boolits for it, though, how cool is that!!!

I can see a new page being added to this site right next to the bp section: Airguns: The best-kept secret in weapons.

Gear

[Butcher45]

I'M ABSOLUTELY FREAKIN' ASTONISHED. A year or so ago I heard of a .50 cal air rifle often used to hunt deer in Korea and looked it up, don't remember the brand but seems it was a shade under $1,000. I never clicked to casting boolits for it, though, how cool is that!!!

I can see a new page being added to this site right next to the bp section: Airguns: The best-kept secret in weapons.

Gear


The Korean .50 air rifle you are referring to is the Career DragonSlayer. It is a very accurate rifle, that shoots an odd diameter of .50 caliber (.490 I believe). It is a bit less powerful than the SamYang, and it is very hard to find the right diameter boolits for it (almost impossible). You are pretty much stuck with roundball due to it's power, and availability of boolits.

Though it is made in Korea, I am under the impression that it is not a legal arm for Koreans to posses, and that it is made for export only. I think they are restricted to .22 caliber and under over there.