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carpetman
04-11-2005, 11:05 AM
We got a thread going about the price of gas and state and federal taxes on such. How dare someone to speak of such a non related topic on a boolit board. Darn lets talk on topic stuff like hunting license where we use those cast bullets. This topic has came up on other boards,and most don't agree with my thoughts. Why should I pay more to hunt on FEDERAL property in another state than a resident of that state pays to hunt on the same FEDERAL property? Some say the state owns the game. Great. They should pay the federal govt for their game being on federal land. When someone ruins their car by hitting the states game on a federal highway the state should be liable. Are they? No. Aint that a both ways deal? When I was in the armed forces,was I only asked to participate in matters concerning Texas? No. I was a US citizen then. Now lets say I want to hunt FEDERAL land in Rhode Island(used Rhode Island as an example as I dont recall it ever being mentioned---Is it still a state and why do they call it an island--isnt it really a peninsula?--when their state bird is a chicken it can't have too much going for it) The FEDERAL land I am going to hunt is the same land a resident of Rhode Island is going to hunt. I pay more. No longer a U.S. citizen,but a Texas citizen. I thought for a long time it was just discrimination against Texans,but I learned they treat Okies the same way too.

StarMetal
04-11-2005, 11:25 AM
Ray,

Bingo!, that's exactly some of the stuff I'm talking about. This is the U.S., it's our country, not just the state we live in. How's the state to say they own the deer? Wouldn't it be more like the Earth owns the deer? Seems to me that God just didn't create the Earth and man, seems he created a whole bunch of states on that Earth too.

Joe

wills
04-11-2005, 12:25 PM
We can use all that lead we save now we use unleaded gas, and make boolits out of it instead.

And let’s not be small minded enough to concentrate constitutional niceties like delegated powers and reserved powers. In fact lets put aside all these small minded ideas of sovereignty altogether. By golly those deer belong to the UN. We’ll just let Secretary-General Kofi Annan tell us what we can and cant do with the worlds deer.

waksupi
04-11-2005, 01:04 PM
Ray, in case you missed it, there has been an $80 fee passed through Congress, requiring a yearly license to tresspass on all federal land. Out state just passed a resolution against it, as the original enabling act guaranteed free ingress and egress to the citizens of Montana in peretuity (sp) on the land. People are ready to fight, should some officious twig pig try to do any enforcement of this license here.

wills
04-11-2005, 01:07 PM
A License to Tresspass ?

C1PNR
04-11-2005, 08:12 PM
It has long been my belief the Federal Government should "own" no land that has not been purchased from private land owners.:twisted:


Only real trouble is that some State Governments are even more corrupt than the Feds.[smilie=b:

fatnhappy
04-11-2005, 09:31 PM
Not for nothing, but if some little prick tried to weasel $80 for stepping onto my birthright, I'll take it out of his ass and demand change.

I've always been troubled by the dual licensing structure for hunting. I can't for the life of me understand how it has stood judicial scrutiny since #1 it's by definition interstate commerce. #2 a clear violation of the 14th ammendment and

#3
"Article. IV.
Section. 1.
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

Section. 2.
Clause 1: The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. "



Apparently only brilliant legal mind can truly interpret the full faith and credit clause to mean "pay out your ass when you're not in Kansas, Dorothy"

wills
04-12-2005, 05:44 AM
It has long been my belief the Federal Government should "own" no land that has not been purchased from private land owners.:twisted:


Only real trouble is that some State Governments are even more corrupt than the Feds.[smilie=b:


http://www.gatewayno.com/history/LaPurchase.html
http://www.progress.org/gads.htm
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/ghtreaty/

Possibly it did and just has never conveyed it to private landowners.

swheeler
04-14-2005, 12:03 PM
WE are the government, THAT is OUR land! We have just hired a few employees to manage it for us, if they do a shitty job, we should FIRE them!
Scooter

swheeler
04-14-2005, 12:17 PM
As to Congress passing any bill to generate more revenue, hell yes they will! The price of hookers, booze and crack have all gone up considerably in DC.
Scooter

wills
04-14-2005, 12:43 PM
"The price of hookers, booze and crack have all gone up considerably in DC."

Have to take your work on the prices, but those items are supposed to be provided by the lobbyists, not collected from user fees