45 Colt HP for Leverguns and Colt clones

[45 2.1]

Take a look. You need a big honking HP that will expand at factory 45 Colt velocity and weight to shoot to fixed sights.

[SwedeNelson]

I bet that puppy would whistle if you
shot it at about 800 FPS.
Might be fun out of a auto rim too.

Swede Nelson

[DragoonDrake]

Is the mold going to have an interchangable HP pin?

[Dutch4122]

Very interesting indeed! Just when I think I've got a particular caliber covered you go and throw me another curve!:veryconfu

[warf73]

Very nice that would be a great deer round in lever gun.

[JFE]

Looks interesting.

What is the nose to crimp groove length ?

[square butte]

Like it. Looks like another project for Mi-Hec.

[2Sharp]

I will take one if it is a Mi-Hec Cramer 2 cavity.

[GLL]

I do not need one of these !

BUT I want one ! :)

Jerry

[ddeaton]

I do not need one of these !

BUT I want one ! :)

Jerry

same here

[Gee_Wizz01]

I would certainly be interested in one.

G

[Boomer Mikey]

This had to be the next one in line... I hope these get spread out over another month or two, I'll have a hard time explaining $500 to the better half for molds in one month.

All these Cramer molds are happily killing my wallet!!!

If this happens the Mihec molds will get here before the original Lee group buy molds.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13152&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1240445637

I can't miss this opportunity, I'm in.

Boomer :Fire:

[45 2.1]

Whats the crimp to meplat length? Well its just long enough to go in a Colt single action and stay in the cylinder, but I need some imput as to how long a loaded cartridge is to function in a leveraction.............some Help please.

[Boomer Mikey]

Whats the crimp to meplat length? Well its just long enough to go in a Colt single action and stay in the cylinder, but I need some imput as to how long a loaded cartridge is to function in a leveraction.............some Help please.


I'm loading the RCBS 45-300-FN at 1.655" COL for my EMF Hartford 1892.

That would make the nose 0.375" from the meplate to the crimp groove.

This also works in my Ruger Blackhawks but hirts with full power loads (318 grain bullet @ 775fps.)

Boomer :Fire:

[rvpilot76]

Looks like I'm on for another one.

[JFE]

A nose to crimp groove length of 0.375 works for me.

FWIW that's the same length as Lyman 452424.

Joe

[targetshootr]

Is this another one I'll regret not getting? This kind of mold should be flagged so I won't have to think about it.

[Lloyd Smale]

count me in but id rather wait another month.

[cuzinbruce]

It looks good. I am interested.

[Boomer Mikey]

The original 454640 mirrored the Keith design with a 640 style nose 0.353" long from the crimp groove to the meplat.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7785&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1213425278
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13152&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1240445637

In the hollow point configuration the center of gravity will still be good with a 0.375" long nose; however, I'm not sure about the solid form of the bullet with a 0.375" long nose; it looks like it would be fine; I believe I see more weight in the base band.

I think this will be outstanding bullet in the 45 Colt and in the 450 Bushmaster as a solid.

I checked the COL for the EMF Hartford 1892 rifle again this morning and anything longer than a 0.375" nose won't clear the action.

Boomer :Fire:

[45 2.1]

The 0.375" crimp groove to meplat version, to look at:

[bootsnthejeep]

Ooh, that's intriguing. Bet my new Uberti would love those....

[WARD O]

Any chance of going just a little bit heavier - say 300 in the solid version?

[45 2.1]

Any chance of going just a little bit heavier - say 300 in the solid version?

Not this one, but I have another i'm shooting that goes 259 gr. ready to load with a solid weight of 289 gr. It will come along after this one gets started.

[Lead melter]

I do believe I would ante up for one of those. Who is going to honcho the shebang? Since my ignorance has kept me from understanding exactly gow a Cramer style mold differs from any other type, the question arises as to what type handles fit this type mold?

[hicard]

I would have to have one for my 45 Win Mag M1 Carbine.

[schutzen]

I've got the bug bad! How much , how many cavities, and are thier multiple pin sizes? Also what type of block, Al or steel?

[Mohillbilly]

You guys are kill'n me I gotta have one,I thought I had most cals. covered, now all these HPs ......The boss in formed me I'm going on 10 hrs a day and 6 days a week till at least June maybe the rest of the summer... 4 Cav I hope, AL or brass,I prefer AL so it's not a wrist breaker cast'n session.....

[saigafan2008]

I'm in for one. I like the looks of the one in post#21...

Carl

[opentop]

I want one!

[Slow Elk 45/70]

45 2.1 , count me in for one , just because.....looks to be a shooter !!

[stubshaft]

I'm in for one, as shown in post #21. Give me another reason to buy another gun. Where do Ii send my check?

[denul]

I'd be in for one, especially if hicard will tell where( or if) the 45 winmag/ M1 carbine conversion can be had.

[Gee_Wizz01]

I am interested in one with the crimp length of the current Lyman 454640 as I will be shooting this in my Thunderbolt, and it is finicky about OAL. The current Lyman 454660 works fine, but the 454424 is to long when crimped in the crimp groove.

G

Edited to correct mold number I fumble fingered twice

[Nrut]

Not this one, but I have another i'm shooting that goes 259 gr. ready to load with a solid weight of 289 gr. It will come along after this one gets started.

I'll be waiting for the heavier version...:drinks:

[hicard]

Denul, LeMag used to convert M1 carbines to 45 Win Mag and 10MM but has since gone out of business. I picked mine up at a gun show and probably paid too much for it but when I saw it, I had to have it. I hear there were problems with split stocks and barrels, especially when they were loaded hot. I am loading mine to just enough, plus a little extra, to work the action and it turns out that it is basically the same load I use for 44 Magnum. Got to say, I am having a blast with it and am pleasantly surprised at the low recoil. When I first shot it, I asked for volunteers and wanted to tie it to a tree or something. After the first shot, everyone there wanted to try it and liked it.

[Horsemen]

Count me in for one .

[saigafan2008]

Do we have a honcho for this yet?

Thanks,

Carl

[denul]

Thanks hicard, that's where I thought things stood with the LeMag. I'm definitely in on this buy, but glad to hear someone is shooting 45 WM in other than Wildeys and T/Cs - thanks.

[hunter64]

If Mihec is going to produce this mold then we don't need a honcho, he is the honcho, another added benefit to kissing Lee good bye forever.

Well here is one group buy that I can pass, I don't have a 45 colt but I do have some .455 Webley/colt revolvers, hummmmm.

[oldtoolsniper]

I am interested

[only1asterisk]

If you’re serious about getting one of these molds, please go to the poll thread and choose the boolit designs that interest you. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=53235

[deadguy]

This is what I've been looking for! I hope that lube groove is big enough for it to work in my .45 colt Uberti Henry.....

[Naphtali]

Take a look. You need a big honking HP that will expand at factory 45 Colt velocity and weight to shoot to fixed sights.I'm highly confused. I just acquired a Freedom Arms Model 97 45 Colt. SAAMI specifications call out an overall cartridge length for 45 Colt a FA's 1.600 inches. If nose-to-crimp length is .375 inches, how does this bullet fit my M97 and Colt SAA clones?

As you can tell, if the bullet functions transparently in my M97, I'll almost certainly be interested in acquiring a mold.

[only1asterisk]

If nose-to-crimp length is .375 inches, how does this bullet fit my M97 and Colt SAA clones?


If we told you, the magic wouldn't work anymore.:-D

[45 2.1]

I'm highly confused. I just acquired a Freedom Arms Model 97 45 Colt. SAAMI specifications call out an overall cartridge length for 45 Colt a FA's 1.600 inches. If nose-to-crimp length is .375 inches, how does this bullet fit my M97 and Colt SAA clones?

As you can tell, if the bullet functions transparently in my M97, I'll almost certainly be interested in acquiring a mold.

Measure your own cylinder and look at the drawing, do some calculations and you should see.

[Naphtali]

Measure your own cylinder and look at the drawing, do some calculations and you should see.Thanks for the dimensioned graphic. As I type, my M97 is with Wes Daems having a holster custom built for it. He is making, or has made, five holsters for me. (Yes, this is an unqualified endorsement of superior craftsmanship at reasonable prices.) I cannot mic the cylinder now.

The 1.600 inch cartridge overall length limitation is placed by Freedom Arms. In Cartridges of the World, 9th edition, 45 Colt case length is identified as 1.29 inches and cartridge overall length as 1.60 inches. The calculation I obtain is:

1.600 - 1.29 = .310 inch (nose-to-crimp).

John Tafffin furnished a graph of various 45 Colt revolver dimensions. Thumbnail follows.

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1699619_45_colt_specs.jpg (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1699619/45_colt_specs.jpg.html)

In theory, what fits a Colt SAA cylinder should fit the M97. The theory doesn't seem to be working as diagrammed. I need assistance to figure out what I'm doing incorrectly.

[ktw]

Using Taffin's 1.627" M97 number and 45 2.1's figures I get that you have 0.027" left over in your favor ! With my own brass you would have even a bit more ! Are you taking into account the length of the case outside the cylinder?

The cylinders are recessed on a M97. The bottom of the case sits flush with the edge of the cylinder. I have always used a maximum crimp-to-meplat of .350" for this revolver. Anything longer needs to be seated deeper than the crimp groove to fit in the the cylinder.

I'm not complaining, just clarifying.

-ktw

[Naphtali]

The cylinders are recessed on a M97. The bottom of the case sits flush with the edge of the cylinder. I have always used a maximum crimp-to-meplat of .350" for this revolver. Anything longer needs to be seated deeper than the crimp groove to fit in the the cylinder.

I'm not complaining, just clarifying.

-ktwI don't understand the .350-inch nose-to-crimp length being compatible with 1.600 inches overall length and 1.29 inches of case length. Obviously, you are correct. Otherwise, your ammuntion would not chamber in your M97. How am I messing up such a simple calculation? If you prefer to PM or E-mail me to avoid cluttering this thread, that's okay with me.

Or are you informing me to disregard Freedom's 1.600-inch cartridge overall length limit in favor of just using as much chamber length as I can -- which is close to 1.627 inches?

[GLL]

ktw:

Oops ! I have never held a M97 so must retract my comments and calculations !

That is what happens when you own .45 Colt S&Ws instead ! :)

Jerry

[ktw]

I don't understand the .350-inch nose-to-crimp length being compatible with 1.600 inches overall length and 1.29 inches of case length. Obviously, you are correct. Otherwise, your ammuntion would not chamber in your M97. How am I messing up such a simple calculation? If you prefer to PM or E-mail me to avoid cluttering this thread, that's okay with me.

Or are you informing me to disregard Freedom's 1.600-inch cartridge overall length limit in favor of just using as much chamber length as I can -- which is close to 1.627 inches?

The rim does not sit perfectly flush with the edge of the cylinder. You pick up a couple of thousandths on the back end and a couple of thousandths on the front end before the noses start to drag. When measuring the length of the cylinder empty I get 1.628". If you measure the length of the cyclinder with a piece of brass in the chamber you get something closer to 1.632".

In my experience, .350" C-to-M, or 1.640" COL, is absolute maximum practical length you can get to work in the cylinder, regardless of the advertised limit. And 1.640" COL is a very tight fit. Less is better. More is impossible.

Designs like Lyman 454190, 454423, their Silver Star bullet, the Lee 300 grainer and the Hornady XTPs all come in well under that. With most "normal" Keiths (452424 and the Catshooter Keiths) the nose is too long. The one design I have that pushes the ragged edge of the cylinder's COL limit in standard length brass is NEI 454-270-PBK.

-ktw

[Naphtali]

ktw:

Many thanks for being patient with me. I think I understand what need be done. When I pick-up holsters and revolvers, I'll be able to take measurements. Then I should be able to create a "try" dummy round and reduce its overall length until I have the M97's real effective chamber length.

One thing that may cause problems is tightness of chamber throats. My M83s are touchy about bullets' nose shapes. Some bullets of correct nose-to-crimp length do not chamber because of the shape of their WFN profile.

[Oregon_Dan]

I would be in for one, maybe two of these!

Just let me know when it is going to happen!

[stubshaft]

Would this come with reversable pns for HP and solid versions.

[hicard]

Mihec wrote he will try to have reversble pins in all of his cramer style mould creations if at all possible.

[deadguy]

I hope he goes with it. It's about time that a .45 Colt HP mold with a decent sized lube groove gets out!

[Nrut]

I hope he goes with it. It's about time that a .45 Colt HP mold with a decent sized lube groove gets out!

I image Mihec will go with it...according to the "poll" there are 35 votes for this design which is more than enough to meet his minimum order requirement...Just a matter of Mihec having time to get to the making of this mold I would think..

I had better jump in on this buy myself in just case the heavier version doesn't come for offer...

[MiHec]

I will go with it
As soon as possible....:-D

I promised that to 45 2.1 [smilie=1:

[Bear4570]

count me in for one.

[Boomer Mikey]

Bump, Bump...

Hoping to get the word this is a go.

Boomer :Fire:

[Ken 45LC]

Posted in both threads to make sure I get counted in. Gees, this is killing my wallet, this will be my third. Maybe i should just list Miha as a direct deduction from my paycheck?

I'll be picking up my new 45-70 this week, just wondered if any plans on a heavy 45 (around 405 gr) were in the plans?

Thanks,
Ken

[only1asterisk]

This design has been added to Mihec's list of upcoming group buys!

[2Sharp]

Any news where on the list this one is?

bj

[WARD O]

Let's not forget this one..... Maybe it's time to get it moving......

Ward

[Ken 45LC]

Sorry, I'll have to beg off on this one now. A friend gave me a mould in the 255 gr range, so i have this weight covered now.

Thanks,
Ken

[saigafan2008]

Any word on this one? Is it dead on the vine?

Thanks,

Carl

[only1asterisk]

Any word on this one? Is it dead on the vine?

Thanks,

Carl

This one has been picked up and will be run as Mihec's schedule permits.

[chadbr]

I'm in - chadbr *(at)* yahoo.com

[Clyde]

You guys talked me into this, I need one.

[Nrut]

I image Mihec will go with it...according to the "poll" there are 35 votes for this design which is more than enough to meet his minimum order requirement...Just a matter of Mihec having time to get to the making of this mold I would think..

I had better jump in on this buy myself in just case the heavier version doesn't come for offer...
I am out as this buy is almost 15 months old and I found another mold to take it's place..

[lead_her_fly]

I am starting this over again. We have a group buy discussion going and have 7 moulds already. If you are still interested, go here and join the buy:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?p=1378566#post1378566

Miha is chomping at the bit to get this going, oh, so am I! ;)

This is going to go in a Puma rifle as well as a Smith M25 -7 and a Ruger 45 Convertible. If all goes well, it will even find its way into several 45ACP firearms!

Come on folks, let's get this done!
8 moulds to go in the other thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lead_her_fly]

Is there anyone from this older thread that is interested in getting on board for a Mihec mould? We need one more to move our discussion to an activity group buy!

Surely there is ONE fellow here that needs one really bad!
Come help us out, please!

[Rattlesnake Charlie]

I'll take one two-cavity cramer style.

Will this be in brass?

Can we get the penta-pins?

[lead_her_fly]

Charlie, I am on my iPod and cannot move arond too easily here. Headed to the woods deer hunting in a few. Check the active group buy section for 454640. That group buy is closed BUT there are always extras and someone may drop out. I will get on the computer after hunting and help you more.

[lead_her_fly]

Okay, Charlie, this went to an active group buy quite a while ago. It is now closed and can be found here:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=126884

If I were you and wanted one, I would put my name in there to take one of the first "no shows" if they come available OR pm Miha and tell him you want one! Hope this helps!

[Charles2506]

Can we see if there is anymore intrest in this one out there