US Milsurp Brass

[GSM]

Got this from another forum today:

Dear Valued Customer:

Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense
Logistics Agency:

Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes
and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in
conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve
as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement
mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective
immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of
any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term
contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV
personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of
destruction is required in either case.

Thank you,

DOD Surplus
15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300
Scottsdale, AZ 85254

Looks like no more military once fired.

[Recluse]

Looks like no more military once fired.

Looks like the Osama administration is quietly implementing their backdoor "destroy the Second Amendment" strategies. . .

This is the way they'll do it, too. Quietly, under the radar, and in small incremental ways that the general public could care less about.

:coffee:

[Superfly]

look like we need t start scrounging even more.

Also looks like more panic buying.

[Tom Herman]

I despise waste... Maybe we need to work to get this reversed as well!

Happy Shootin'! -Tom

[StarMetal]

We don't need to scrounge for more, we need to put a stop to this. United we stand and divided we fall. Sit on our ##### on these pc's and do nothing but talk about it we fall too. A groups needs to get through to the government that places like Bartletts brass, and others, pay money for this that goes back to the government and there's no harm in shooters getting it.

Joe

[Bert2368]

A lot of discussion going on regarding this on various shooting related sites. Some questions as to the validity/interpretation of this information. I'm going to wait for confirmation before busting a gasket. Not that I don't think the folks who had all those lovely M-14's torched wouldn't DO such a thing.

[KCSO]

This has been the policy for quite some time. I remember picking up a 55 gallon drum of 38's at Offut and having to sign a form stating the brass would be mutilated. We did this with a rcbs brass removes tool and than they were crushed in a Dillon swedge. :)

[KYCaster]

I'm not sure but I think the GCA '68 required an FFL in order to buy surp. brass for the purpose of reloading. Otherwise you had to swear to destroy it like KCSO said.

The DOD statement cited here is one of Slick Willie's executive orders. It's the reason there is no more surp powder or bullets on the market.

And BTW....our good buddy Dubya had eight years to do something about it and didn't.

Jerry

[Slow Elk 45/70]

Make no mistake, this is the left wing creeping under the radar in their never ending effort to disarm America. They don't want an armed populous to deal with while they implement their socialist doctrine on the way to communism and the total oppression of the American people.

Take is one piece at a time, brass, bullets,powder, primers = ammo , no ammo = they don't have to have the guns because most people won't have ammo for them.

We the people that want to keep the country we and others have fought and bled for have to stop these people....now.

[mike in co]

a yes the pres can do this with no vote only signature
BUT

PROVE THE DOCUMENT IS REAL......

FROM A THIRD PARTIES SECOND PARTIES BOR IN LAW'S SITES MON////JUST DONT FLY


GET UP SET WHEN IT IS PROVEN...NOT BEFORE.


AND NO BRASS PURCHASES DID NOT REQUIRE DESTRUCTION NOT AN FFL.

mike in co

[anachronism]

So now we're going to have a run on brass again. Primers & bullets were bad enough. More internet panic, regardless of whether it's real or not.

[JW6108]

FYI. This is what I sent to my Senators and Congressman.

If anyone has a more eloquent way to put it, please do so, but everybody do something.

If we don't keep on top of these things, no one will do it for us.



http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml


Dear Senator/Congressman ________________,

A short while ago, DoD Surplus sent out this notice:

"Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes
and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in
conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve
as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement
mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective
immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of
any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term
contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV
personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of
destruction is required in either case.

Thank you,

DOD Surplus
15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300
Scottsdale, AZ 85254"

If the Federal government is trying to function in a more efficient and cost effective manner, it seems ludicrous that DoD Surplus would arbitrarily decide to reduce the value of these surplus items 80% by destroying them. These items include empty brass cartridge cases from small arms, for which there is and always has been a considerable consumer demand. There is no legitimate reason whatsoever for this action and I view it solely as a back door means to inconvenience and harass the shooting hobby community. I would respectfully like to suggest that fired munitions (cartridge cases) .50 caliber and smaller be specifically exempted from this wasteful, unnecessary and maliciously implemented policy.

Thank you very much for all you do for the citizens of ___________.

Signed,

[PatMarlin]

http://www.jpfo.org/alerts03/alert20090313.htm

[Slow Elk 45/70]

Yes the people in Govt make these fine decisions, and when we try to get to the bottom of it, you might as well be trying to pull teeth from a chicken, if you want someone to prove it to you, go to the govt surplus outlet and try to buy some.

If the people that buy the bulk from the Gov't can't get it to sell to the usual outlets for mil surplus, it might be a clue

As far as proving the document is true, the Messiah won't produce his birth certificate, but I need to prove a document is true? Let them prove it's not true.
I'm sorry but IMHO I'm tired of having to disprove every lie that the Govt and the Politicians throw at us.

As far as the Internet goes , at least we hear about some of the things that affect our lives before it is history. If everyone that is out there buying is wrong, I'll be very happy, but this is just the first 50 days of this regime

At least we can all still have an opinion, for the time being.

[KYCaster]

a yes the pres can do this with no vote only signature
BUT

PROVE THE DOCUMENT IS REAL......

FROM A THIRD PARTIES SECOND PARTIES BOR IN LAW'S SITES MON////JUST DONT FLY


GET UP SET WHEN IT IS PROVEN...NOT BEFORE.


AND NO BRASS PURCHASES DID NOT REQUIRE DESTRUCTION NOT AN FFL.

mike in co



Well Mike, I can't say for sure whether this particular document is real, but if you'll just look at Pat's Reloading or GI Brass you'll see the effect of Clinton's executive order banning the sale of surplus ammo to the public.

Give Jeff Bartlett a call and he'll tell you why there is very little milsurp brass and powder available. It's because Clinton banned the sale of milsurp ammo to the public.

He'll also tell you that it was never the intention of the government to allow the general public to buy milsurp reloading components. While it was still available, the surplus ammo sold through the DOD had to be destroyed. Pulling the bullets and dumping the powder satisfied the requirement...it was no longer ammo. It took another twenty years for Clinton to accomplish with his executive order, what the DOD intended to do in 1968.

When I tried to buy brass from the DOD, I found that I could buy the brass, but I had to sign a form stating that the brass would be destroyed and used for scrap metal recycling only. To avoid the de-mil requirement, you had to have an FFL. Believe it or not, that's what the regs said in 1980.

What about the mil-surp ammo you see? The only place you could get mil-surp ammo was the DCM...later, the CMP. There was some that was re-imported from countries that originally got the ammo from the US, but there wasn't much of that.

Look at the CMP site...they've just sold the last of their Lake City ammo and everything else they offer is imported. The 30-06 they offer is Greek manufacture and the 30 carbine is Aguila from Mexico.

Anything you see in the gun shop with military headstamps (WCC 06, FC 98, e.g.) is newly manufactured in the same production lot as the govt. ammo, but was sold on the civilian market instead...it was never sold to the govt.

My point is...the days of cheap mil-surp ammo and components is OVER!!!! It started forty years ago with the GCA '68 and Clinton drove the last nail in the coffin ten years ago with his executive order. It's a bit late to start getting all indignant about the sorry state things have come to, don't you think?

Maybe it's time to start thinking about what's next? What's going to happen to the CMP when they run out of Garands and 30 Carbines? There are precious few of them left. Who's keeping an eye on the people who want to kill this program?

Whether you believe this document is real or not doesn't change the fact that you no longer have the privilege of buying components from the US government.

Jerry

[mike in co]

gentlemen,
if you go to any of the public listings of governemnt auctions( clearing houses that add a fee to your price...) you will find tons of gi brass for sale. clintons stuff dissappeared long ago. ammo cans are available, brass is available. with no destruction required.


if this has changed this month, someone show me.


even the link above is someones comments...no black and white government comment.....


way too much rumor monogoring


mike in co

[StarMetal]

gentlemen,
if you go to any of the public listings of governemnt auctions( clearing houses that add a fee to your price...) you will find tons of gi brass for sale. clintons stuff dissappeared long ago. ammo cans are available, brass is available. with no destruction required.


if this has changed this month, someone show me.


even the link above is someones comments...no black and white government comment.....


way too much rumor monogoring


mike in co

Yeah, well if you think this might be rumor take a look at Jeff Bartletts website. He's been in the business of selling surplus brass, bullets, and powder for a long time. Scroll down till you find his comment about brass:
http://gibrass.com/brass.html

Joe

[JIMinPHX]

We don't need to scrounge for more, we need to put a stop to this. United we stand and divided we fall. Sit on our ##### on these pc's and do nothing but talk about it we fall too. ...
Joe

This is true of many things the government has been doing. They need to be brought back under control. The government needs to be shrunk, not expanded.

[Shiloh]

This is true of many things the government has been doing. They need to be brought back under control. The government needs to be shrunk, not expanded.

Yes it does but it won't. Look at Kalifornia and the regulations one goes through for ANYTHING firearms related. Kalifornia is broke, but the legistature still spends money that doesn't exist We are in the dire straights because of the size of government, and there is no sign of ever going back. The stimulus (spending) bill that was recently signed tby the prez, does the same thing, spends money that doesn't exist. The folks riding in the wagon are more numerous than those pulling the wagon, and unfortunately THEY VOTE !!

This is the Message at Jeff Bartletts website:




Effective Immediately
Orders for all military brass acquired thru government auction is hereby
suspended until further notice. If recent auction purchased brass is
declared unrestricted, all orders will be filled in order received

http://www.gibrass.com/brass.html

I spoke Jeff about the destruction of surplus powder a while back. Whatever was in the pipeline was all that that there would be. He said that things would dry up and they have.

Look for Wolf, Barnaul, and Bear ammunition to be banned from import. That is next.

[TC66]

I find it hard to believe that there is any truth to this. Looking on the Government Liquidation site as of today all the auctions for brass state the following.

LOT (3420) APPROX FIRED BRASS, (8)BARRELS (PLASTIC AND METAL), ON(4)PALLETS, (4) BARRELS OF 7. 62 APPROX 1700 LBS, (4) BARRELS OF 5. 56 APPROX 1720 LBS, WEIGHT OF PALLETS AND BARRELS ARE INCLUDED IN TOTAL WEIGHT, NO MUTILATION REQUIRED, PREVIEW AND LOAD OUT BY APPOINTMENT.


Right now currently there is at least 100,000 lbs of brass listed for sale. Every listing has the same statement about No Mutilation Required.

Here is the link see for yourself.
http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=2263403&convertTo=USD

[StarMetal]

I find it hard to believe that there is any truth to this. Looking on the Government Liquidation site as of today all the auctions for brass state the following.

LOT (3420) APPROX FIRED BRASS, (8)BARRELS (PLASTIC AND METAL), ON(4)PALLETS, (4) BARRELS OF 7. 62 APPROX 1700 LBS, (4) BARRELS OF 5. 56 APPROX 1720 LBS, WEIGHT OF PALLETS AND BARRELS ARE INCLUDED IN TOTAL WEIGHT, NO MUTILATION REQUIRED, PREVIEW AND LOAD OUT BY APPOINTMENT.


Right now currently there is at least 100,000 lbs of brass listed for sale. Every listing has the same statement about No Mutilation Required.

Here is the link see for yourself.
http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=2263403&convertTo=USD


Doesn't make sense, why would Jeff put that statement on his website?

Joe

[TC66]

I don't know why he would do that but as proven by the link I provided it is clear as to what it stated. NO MUTILATION REQUIRED on hte brass. If you are worried about his stuff drying up you might wanna go bid on one or more of the auctions. They start at $150 and if purchased they must honor the listing to the word. Some as small at 1800 lbs and some up to 34,000 lbs. But all say the same thing.

[StarMetal]

I don't know why he would do that but as proven by the link I provided it is clear as to what it stated. NO MUTILATION REQUIRED on hte brass. If you are worried about his stuff drying up you might wanna go bid on one or more of the auctions. They start at $150 and if purchased they must honor the listing to the word. Some as small at 1800 lbs and some up to 34,000 lbs. But all say the same thing.

Hold on, read this thread/site thoroughly...we're still in trouble. Your liquidation site was mentioned and they themselves made a statement. Read it all here:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=844248

Joe

[TC66]

Until I see it listed as Mutilation Required in the listings I am not going to believe it as far as brass casing go. Now if you look at all the other listing of other brass scrap metal (other than fired brass) they all state Mutilation Required. But the fired brass is not listed that way.

[oneokie]

Doesn't make sense, why would Jeff put that statement on his website?

Joe

look at this link to Bartlett's site again
http://gibrass.com/brass.html

And read the part that is in RED

NOTICE
All brass listed below is subject to regulations of the military munitions list.
Consequently, this brass cannot be exported without obtaining an export license from the U.S. Department of State.

[zxcvbob]

look at this link to Bartlett's site again
http://gibrass.com/brass.html

And read the part that is in RED

NOTICE
All brass listed below is subject to regulations of the military munitions list.
Consequently, this brass cannot be exported without obtaining an export license from the U.S. Department of State.

Not sure what your point is. That notice has always been there. What's new is the "effective immediately" stuff below it.

[mike in co]

i have been working a gun show all day long. this afternoon one of my customers, a commercial reloader came by and told me my brass had just gone up in value.
scharch...a brass remanufacturing/brass manufacturing(top brass) company here in colorado, has been contacted and told the last batch of brass they bought at auction from the gov surplus process was IN ERROR AND THEY WERE COMING TO PICK THE BRASS UP!

i have asked you to confirm the letter, this would appear to do just that.


this will not help the supply of 223 brass through out the us, and worse for all taxpayers is that in this recession, our idiot politicians have decided that being anti-gun is more important than economic recovery. forcing the trashing of a valued comodity. assinine.......but we have people on this site that proudly admit to voting for him. stupid.

mike in co
__________________

[Tom Schafer]

Where can you get half jackets for swaging?
I just got back to reloading.
The military medically discharged me, so I have time on my hands.
I have a CH Swage o matic.
Thanks
Tom

[mike in co]

Not sure what your point is. That notice has always been there. What's new is the "effective immediately" stuff below it.

because cartridge brass is a controlled EXPORT ITEM.

HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT ISSUE OF REQUIRING DESTRUCTION, rather than resale of small arms brass.

monday i will call scharch and try for a confirmation.

if true we need to start a "this is stupid" internet/phone campagin to our elected officials.

it is a waste of tax payer money( do not make it a gun rights issue...just a financially stupid move)

mike in co

[Papa Foxtrot]

Further confirmation at Guns Holsters and Gear (http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/03/16/surplus-brass-case-ban-ammunition-prices-will-go-up/). This doesn't look good. Time to light up the switchboards in D.C.!


Surplus Brass Case Ban: Ammunition Prices Will Go Up
March 16th, 2009

For many years, the military has auctioned off their fired brass cases, allowing the economical remanufacture of ammunition as an affordable purchasing option to citizens, shooting clubs, and law enforcement agencies. That has all come to a crashing end.

As of Friday, March 13, the US Government has now ordered that all surplus brass cases be mutilated (rendered unusable) prior to sale. This means that millions of rounds of ammunition in .223, .308, 9mm, and .50 BMG will no longer be manufactured.

Let me say that again: because of the current administration, millions of rounds of ammunition, in some of the most popular calibers, have just disappeared from the supply channels.

If you think that is overstating the case, take a look at the Georgia Arms website (http://www.georgia-arms.com/). Georgia Arms is an ammunition manufacturer located just west of Atlanta. Georgia Arms produces millions of rounds of ammo for citizens and law enforcement agencies every year. As a direct result of the ban on fired brass cases, Georgia Arms has immediately suspended the sale of all .223 and .308 ammunition.

Over at The Shooting Wire, Jim Shepherd reported (http://www.shootingwire.com/archives/2009-03-16) that Georgia Arms may now have to lay off up to 30 people because of this ban. So much for job creation in the current administration.

As I have reported in previous articles, ammunition prices have been going up (http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2008/11/08/ammunition-price-increases-bad-and-getting-worse/). Now, they might just skyrocket.

Basic economics tells us that where supply and demand meet, you will find the market price. Well, the supply side just took a hit, meaning prices will go up. Additionally, fear of additional bans will drive demand up, meaning even higher prices.

Don’t think there will be additional ammunition bans? Think again. With the wave of a pen, the Obama administration can suspend the imports of ammunition from outside of the USA. No laws or Congressional input needed. So, next Monday, I could be writing about how Wolf ammunition will no longer be imported.

Get involved! Join the NRA (http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR019935)! Contact your elected representatives (http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml)!

[woodsoup]

Instead of wasting time crying here, why don't you spend the time writing to your congressional delegates, and let them know how you feel about this situation.

I did, to both the federal and state. I got a reply from Jim Forresters staff... (start at the end and read forward.) I think she mis-understood what I was asking, so I clarified my statement

Thank You.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary Watson Cannon (Sen. Forrester)" <Forresterla@ncleg.net>
To: XXXXXXXX
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 3:49 PM
Subject: RE: DOD directive to destroy surplus spent small arms casings.


Mr. XXXXXXX

I'll be sure he gets your message.
MC

-----Original Message-----
From: XXXXXXXXXXXX
To: Mary Watson Cannon (Sen. Forrester)
Subject: RE: DOD directive to destroy surplus spent small arms casings.

MS Cannon:

I have contacted my Federal Legislators, I just thought it might be
helpful if Senator Forrester along with Mr. Hoyle and the rest of MY
state legislators also contacted them, about an issue that affects many
more North Carolinians than myself.

XXXXX XXXXXXXXXXX

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Mary Watson Cannon (Sen. Forrester) Forresterla@ncleg.net
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:55:38 -0400
To: XXXXXXXXXXXX
Subject: RE: DOD directive to destroy surplus spent small arms casings.


Mr. XXXXXXXXXX
Since this is a federal issue, you will need to contact your members of
Congress in Washington, DC., Representative Sue Myrick and Senators Burr
and Hagan.

Thank you,
Mary

Mary R. Cannon, Legislative Assistant
Office of Senator James S. Forrester
North Carolina General Assembly
1129 Legislative Building
Raleigh, NC 27601-2808
(919) 715-3050
E-mail: forresterla@ncleg.net




-----Original Message-----
From: XXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:32 PM
To: Sen. James Forrester
Subject: DOD directive to destroy surplus spent small arms casings.



March 16, 2009

The Honorable James Forrester
North Carolina Senate
16 West Jones Street
Raleigh, NC 27601-2808


Senator Forrester:

Dear Represanative Forrester:

It has come to my attention that the Department of Defense has issued a
directive that all expended military brass (fired cases) will now be
shredded and sold for scrap material, rather than resold by Government
Liquidators LLC to the civilian market for remanufacture.

You may not be aware of it, but there is a severe shortage of ammunition
available for sale to the public across the country, causing problems
for shooters, hunters, and reloaders everywhere.

Now, apparently the current administration, realizing they cannot move
against private firearms ownership since the landmark decision by the
U.S.
Supreme Court in the Washington D.C./Heller case, has made their move in
another way.

By cutting off the resale of expended military ammunition to
remanufacturers, they have put a stranglehold on the nation's ammunition
supply.

Further, they have reduced the return to the government on expended
brass by 80%. What was sold for remanufacturer at a fair return to the
government, will now cost the taxpayers untold sums of money as the cost
of scrap brass is far below the price per pound for expended military
ammunition.

In addition, the use of remanufactured ammunition is a huge asset to law
enforcement agencies across the country who buy millions of rounds of
reloaded ammunition a year from these manufacturers for practice rounds.

With this market gone, law enforcement will no longer be able to
purchase inexpensive reloaded ammunition, and with the continuing combat
status of military forces across the Middle East, original manufacturers
of new ammunition are turning out everything they can make to the
government, thus exacerbating the shortage of new ammunition in both the
civilian and law enforcement market.

Lastly, in these harsh economic times, does it not strike you as cold
and calculating that the current administration has no compunction
against ruining an industry that employs thousands of American citizens
in the remanufacturing of sporting and military ammunition.

Please inforn your Federal Legslators that we, the law abiding citizens
of North Carolina, totally oppose this move.

Thank you for your time and efforts in this serious attack against the
Second Amendment rights of the American citizenry.

Sincerly
XXXXXXXXXXXXX

Employer Name: XXXXXXXXX
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[Papa Foxtrot]

I've already contacted my congressman and both senators.

[zxcvbob]

I looked at the current goverment auctions earlier this evening and it all looked fine. Now brass lot has been cancelled and relisted with restrictions that it must be destroyed:
http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=2272021

[mike in co]

DOD Surplus
15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300
Scottsdale, AZ 85254

March 12, 2009

Larry Haynie
Georgia Arms
PO Box 238
Villa Rica, GA 30180

Re: Event 7084-6200:

Dear Larry Haynie,

Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government.

If you do not agree with the new conditions of your spot sale, please sign the appropriate box provided below stating that you do not agree to the new terms and would like to cancel your purchase effective immediately. If you do agree to the new terms please sign in the appropriate box provided below to acknowledge your understanding and agreement with the new requirements relating to your purchase. Fax the signed document back to (480) 367-1450, emailed responses are not acceptable.

Please respond to this request no later than close of business Monday, March 16th, 2009.

Sincerely,

Government Liquidation.

[zxcvbob]

But who is DOD Surplus, LLC?

[oneokie]

But who is DOD Surplus, LLC?

Google is your friend.

[shotman]

look on Gov Liquidadators there is 37000 lbs of brass has to be mutilated to buy auction no is 7131

[zxcvbob]

There's a rumor that this might be over (new policy being reversed today.)

[klcarroll]

Well, .....I don't give "An Obese Rodent's Posterior" if this is “The Truth”, “An Urban Legend”, or “An Old Wife’s Tale”!!

I just finished both writing and emailing MY “Representatives”; …And I told them the following:

It has come to my attention that the Department of Defense is considering crushing/mutilating fired cartridge cases prior to selling them as scrap through normal DoD channels.

I hope this policy will not be implemented, as such mutilation reduces the value of this scrap by a factor of ten!! At a time when we are looking at incredible spending and mind-boggling deficits, ANY failure to get maximum value for government scrap or surplus is an unacceptable imposition on the taxpayers!!

I fully expect the Government to take every possible opportunity to maximize the monies realized by such sales in order to put the maximum amount back into the tax-fed coffers!!

I am looking forward to your positive response: ……And please be assured that your response on this issue WILL effect my voting decisions in the future!

Kent L. Carroll

[mike in co]

There's a rumor that this might be over (new policy being reversed today.)


that would make it a RUMOR......post something when you have FACTS!

stop the rumormongoring!
( a guy just paid $100 per 1000 for 223 brass on the buy sell forum here!)

mike in co

[billsr]

My buddy and I just bought 1800 rounds of mixed .223 brass (military & commercial) for .07 cents a round today, plus 3,000 pulled 55 grain FMJBT bullets at .07 cents a round. Not bragging, just saying I may have gotten lucky.

[JW6108]

that would make it a RUMOR......post something when you have FACTS!

stop the rumormongoring!
( a guy just paid $100 per 1000 for 223 brass on the buy sell forum here!)

mike in co

Will this do?

http://www.georgia-arms.com/

[TC66]

Well that was a quick change of mind. Last week had to be mutilated out of the blue this week it does not. Will someone make up our minds please.

[zxcvbob]

that would make it a RUMOR......post something when you have FACTS!

stop the rumormongoring!
( a guy just paid $100 per 1000 for 223 brass on the buy sell forum here!)

mike in co

I heard it from a pretty good source. I thought you'd like some good news, even though it wasn't confirmed yet. So sue me.

[Skipper]

Dear MSSA Friends,

I just received a phone call from the office of U.S. Senator Tester of Montana to inform me that at 5:15 (EST) today a letter cosigned by Senator Tester (D-MT) and Senator Baucus (D-MT) was faxed to the Department of Defense asking DoD to reverse its new policy requiring destruction of fired military cartridge brass. At 5:30, I am told, Tester's office received a fax back from DoD saying that the brass destruction policy IS reversed.

Others report to me that they are already seeing evidence of this on the Websites of entities that liquidate surplus DoD commodities.

Our thanks go out to Senator Tester and Senator Baucus, and their staff, for getting on this problem promptly and making the reversal happen

Staff for Tester and Baucus promise they will get me the documentation for this reversal tomorrow morning. I'll forward that when I get it.

Best wishes,

Gary Marbut, president
Montana Shooting Sports Association
http://www.mtssa.org
author, Gun Laws of Montana
http://www.mtpublish.com

[mike in co]

you realize just how many "rumors" hit the net on this subject. there was no real confirmation till monday am, tho georgia arms might have been a bit earlier.

how about the rumors of limited primer life, no primers from certian companies ?

i hope you understand my desire for "just the facts"

while this actually hurts my biz, i'm glad it has been resolved.

mike

[shotman]

that good to know I will do a bid on the 40000 lbs now need something to do since the pres is going to try to take my AIG bonus that is need rick