WW's Really a danger?

[dakotashooter2]

One has to wonder why the EPA is picking on WWs as a hazard. Think about it. While there is no argument that ww's are distributed along our highways what about the greater contamination risks such as oils, fuels, chemicals that are left by vehicle I'm sure in far excess of WW's? Those items all drip onto the highways and are flushed off by rains, getting into our water systems at levels 100s or
1000s more than a few lead WW's. heck in my area the risk from farm chemicals is probably a million times that of lead. It's just a lot more junk science.

[MT Gianni]

Cause they can and are driving someone elses agenda. It is similar to the thought that broken asphalt is hazardous waste requiring a permit to dispose of but in the road the stuff is fine.

[Maximilian225]

Cause Joe Blow can't make bullets out of the other stuff.

[Tom Herman]

Except to the things they hit after coming out of my barrel...

Happy Shootin'! -Tom

[357maximum]

I worked in and on the edge/middle/beside the road installing/repairing natural gas/phone/electric for 11ish years. That is alot of time on the edge of the road. I was a caster the whole time...I had my eyes peeled for ww. I found about 7 or 8 and 3 of them were where someone tried hopping a curb in the city and rubbed their rim. The numbers these froot loops quote were pulled out of their hnmmm....backside and meant only to further their agendas just like the rest of the numbers they have used to cripple our hobby.


Does lead shot kill ducks and geese? Yes at about 1200 fps it does:wink:

[Bret4207]

But, but....but we have to save the Planet!!!!:roll:

[Boerrancher]

I am not even going to get started on my opinions of lead and why IQs were so low of the people who were supposedly exposed to lead as children.

Best wishes from the Boer Ranch,

Joe

[44man]

They can be really, really dangerous! If all of you would dispose of all of your weights at my house, the weight would make the earth wobble! :drinks:

[WAHO]

I am not even going to get started on my opinions of lead and why IQs were so low of the people who were supposedly exposed to lead as children.

Best wishes from the Boer Ranch,

Joe

What is amazing to me is the fact that it seams All the brain damaged people from lead poisen all ended up at the same place. WASHING DC.

[3006guns]

I believe the legislation pending here in California (it may have already passed) contained a "whereas", that some 500,000 lbs. were lost along the roads each year. With that amount, we should be knee deep in boolit material.

I have to agree with 357maximum......I've worked "in the open" for over 40 years and I think I've salvaged ten or so. After all, they're designed to STAY ON THE RIM. Ever notice how no one thinks to challenge these statistics? They just sit there and nod there heads, then pass another law.

[Tom Herman]

If I'm LUCKY, I find one every couple two or three years....

Happy Shootin' -Tom

[mooman76]

They are no real danger. It's just people lacking something in their life so they feel they need to attack something to make the world right just like anti gun people that don't understand that either. I talked to fish and game a few years ago about it and they said lead has this natural thing it does when it's out in the elements. If anyone has and most have found an old piece of lead out that kind of crusts over. That keeps it from contaminating things in the elements. Another thing they said it has never been a proven case that any animal or bird has died from "metalic lead". The body just doesn't absorb it, it just passes through thir system before it does any damage.

[dakotashooter2]

I know that in my lifetime I have NEVER lost a ww off any of the 15 some vehicles I have owned. Talked to the guys at the tire shop and they couldn't remember the last time they saw a rim without a ww on it.

[BPCR Bill]

I know there are real, honest to god scientists out there, and it seems that for some reason they are not speaking up, or the media just chooses to ignore them. The idiot MD who did the "Study" on lead contamination of people who consumed game meat in North Dakota recieved plenty of press. Then the CDC came out and debunked the report, but THAT recieved very little coverage. I was in Hawaii recently and made a trip to Mauna Kea to see the observatories. One astronomer I spoke with concurred that there is global warming, but went on to say that ALL the planets were getting warmer, because the sun is in a stage where it is getting bigger. It's all a big bed of lies gents. No wonder newspapers and broadcast giants like CBS are on the rocks financially. And the approval ratings of Congress are in the pits.

Regards,
Bill

[mooman76]

I remember seeing a whole parking lot full of cars with WWs missing. There was a peta convention in town! OOps!

[StarMetal]

Well maybe they should concentrate more on florescent lamps that are thrown away daily. Not only does the glass contain lead, it's lead crystal glass, they contain a small minute drop of mercury inside them. It amazes me how lead can leach out of glass too. I know certain thing shouldn't be contained in lead crystal glass containers such as vinegar or wine, etc., as they can leach the lead out of it. I'm thoroughly convinced it's a push to eliminate our shooting material. Lead is something the world cannot do without.

Joe

[tonyb]

500,000lbs, that's a lot of 38spls!!!

[FN in MT]

But Gentlemen.....Its for the children. The new mantra of the Nanny State; It's for the children.

And...by passing some legislation regarding "Hazardous" lead weights....it APPEARS the Demo's are ACTUALLY doing something. I mean something other than bankrupting the Country with their current money giveaways. Or taking us for a ride down the path of Socialism.

FN in MT

[PineTreeGreen]

I work at a toll booth and find a few WW from people rubbing the granite curb
and ripping the lead off. In fact I encourge them to drive closer :mrgreen:

[NVcurmudgeon]

I know that in my lifetime I have NEVER lost a ww off any of the 15 some vehicles I have owned. Talked to the guys at the tire shop and they couldn't remember the last time they saw a rim without a ww on it.

In 12 years as a service station owner I saw wheels with missing weights occasionally; more often a weight would move around the edge of the wheel and cause an imbalance. About 5-10 years ago I lived in a city and walked over 100 miles a month. It was a poor month if I didn't pick up 10 lbs. of weights from the gutters. I had several routes mentally mapped out. Best streets have numerous traffic lights, with the majority of weights accumulating where cars stop at lights. Speed limits of 35 mph are the most productice, whether it is because cars are going faster and generate more centrifugal force, or because 35 mph zones have heavier traffic. Another hot spot is closed tire shop parking lots on Sundays.

[waksupi]

I do believe it is time we contact our representatives again. Who is in charge of EPA? Who is making the rules? Based on what facts? Who is doing over-sight? Where does the money trail lead?

[KCSO]

All the wheel weights ever lost in the history of cars wouldn't come to 50000 pounds! Now where does lead come from? We dig it out og the GROUND. Whole cities are built on lead mines and the people there aren't dying off whole sale. LEADville Colorado... your on the air!
Most of the ground water in Missouri is runing over lead.

Why are all these places named Galena ? Maybe because of the LEAD deposits?

The whole issue is so much nonsense.

[Randall]

I live downstream from the countrys largest lead cleanup site,Picher, Ok. the runoff goes to the local lakes where we get our drinking water. Nobody has yet to get any high levels of lead unless they actually lived in Picher and were breathing the dust off the tailings,and even then they were not deadly levels, just higher than normal. The tailings are mountains of chat that surround the town. The lead scare is in my opinion B.S.
Randall

[dakotashooter2]

In 12 years as a service station owner I saw wheels with missing weights occasionally; more often a weight would move around the edge of the wheel and cause an imbalance. About 5-10 years ago I lived in a city and walked over 100 miles a month. It was a poor month if I didn't pick up 10 lbs. of weights from the gutters. I had several routes mentally mapped out. Best streets have numerous traffic lights, with the majority of weights accumulating where cars stop at lights. Speed limits of 35 mph are the most productice, whether it is because cars are going faster and generate more centrifugal force, or because 35 mph zones have heavier traffic. Another hot spot is closed tire shop parking lots on Sundays.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. My guess is that the numbers being thrown out are based on "hot spots" like yours and are calculated out to cover millions of miles of roads in this country.Most which don't see near that number. That is gonna make their numbers look significant. My job for the last 15 years has had me spending considerable time walking on the streets. in that time I think I have found 2 WWs.

The "For the Children" statement is almost laughable. There seem to be more children today with some type of disabilities than when my generation was born. A generation that didn't have near the "protection" that our government is providing to kids today. Many are even questioning if the government mandates are not the cause of many of the afflictions. (Eg: autism & childhood imunization)

[dakotashooter2]

In 12 years as a service station owner I saw wheels with missing weights occasionally; more often a weight would move around the edge of the wheel and cause an imbalance. About 5-10 years ago I lived in a city and walked over 100 miles a month. It was a poor month if I didn't pick up 10 lbs. of weights from the gutters. I had several routes mentally mapped out. Best streets have numerous traffic lights, with the majority of weights accumulating where cars stop at lights. Speed limits of 35 mph are the most productice, whether it is because cars are going faster and generate more centrifugal force, or because 35 mph zones have heavier traffic. Another hot spot is closed tire shop parking lots on Sundays.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. My guess is that the numbers being thrown out are based on "hot spots" like yours and are calculated out to cover millions of miles of roads in this country.Most which don't see near that number. That is gonna make their numbers look significant. My job for the last 15 years has had me spending considerable time walking on the streets. in that time I think I have found 2 WWs.

[ggb3]

They keep spouting off about the dangers, blatently wrong info or just flat out lies. Most people listen as gospel and before long, most people think it is dangerous and it gets banned. Agendas........... The below is good info. Not wheel weights, but along the same lines. None of this real info gets much, if any press.


http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2000/F/200005338.html

From: Virginia Tech

Virginia Tech researchers study effects on environment of lead from bullets
BLACKSBURG, Va., March 24 - Two studies done at Virginia Tech showed very little lead damage to the environment from bullets left on battlefields or on a carefully designed shotgun/rifle range. Their findings were presented at the Southeastern Section Geological Sciences Association Meeting.
In the first study, David H. Edwards, a graduate student in Virginia Tech's Department of Geological Sciences, and several other scientists studied the Blacksburg Shooting Range located three miles north of town in the Jefferson National Forest. The range was built and is maintained by the U.S. Forest Service and is composed of a rifle range and a separate shotgun range. While high lead concentrations have been found on the range itself, relatively small amounts of lead have been found in the water on the range and no water contamination has been found off the range, Edwards said. "The lead is quickly weathered into stable lead minerals, and that minimizes the uptake of lead by groundwater," he said.
However, the scientists found that damage by shot impacts to the trees at the end of the range is extensive and many trees are dying as much as 140 meters beyond the range, particularly in the first 90 meters.
"The range was constructed to minimize the effects of lead concentrations and serves a useful purpose for people who enjoy recreational shooting," Edwards said. Firearm vandalism to public property has been significantly reduced and the two tons of lead that would have scattered throughout the region has been concentrated and neutralized on the range. This is a useful service provided by the U.S. Forest Service and a carefully managed recreational opportunity for Virginia residents."
The scientists involved in the study in addition to Edwards were James R. Craig, geological sciences; J. Donald Rimstidt, geological sciences; Patrick F. Scanlon of Fisheries and Wildlife Sciences in the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences, and Thomas K. Collins of the Washington-Jefferson National Forest.
In the second study, James R. Craig of Virginia Tech's geological sciences department and several other scientists looked at the possibility of lead contamination from the bullets left behind on battlefields. "The countless battles throughout history have spread thousands of tons of lead bullets on every continent," the researchers said. "Today the concern of battlefield contamination has even led the military to turn to Œgreen' bullets. The question remains, 'What happens to all of that lead on those battlefields?'"
The simplest answer for most sites, the researchers found, is that the lead is still there, and much is in the form in which it was fired originally." They studied a variety of battlefields of differing ages, from early 18th century to the present, and in locations as varied as marine sand, deserts, coastal plain swamps, and uplands. They found that most of the lead is quite well preserved because it forms a protective coating of relatively insoluble oxide, carbonate, sulfate, or sulfide minerals.
"Lead metal dissolves readily, but once it oxidizes in a soil, the insoluble coating...retard decomposition," the scientists said.
The scientists in the study in addition to Craig are Rimstidt, Robert C. Whisonant of the Radford University geology department, and Scanlon.
The presentations (numbers 7106 and 2139) will be presented on Friday, March 24, at 3:20 p.m. in the Lightsey Conference Center Room 217 and 10:40 a.m. in Room 220, respectively, at the Geological Society of American's Section Meetings in Charleston, S.C. Approximately 650 geoscientists are expected to attend.

Regards,
George

[shdwlkr]

Boerranch
You just answered one of my questions that I have had since last November and that is a lot of people must have been eating Ww's and that is why the election went the way it did. Thank you so much for the answer to that question I can sleep again.