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fish_bait
01-05-2006, 08:24 PM
After searching around for a few weeks, I have found out that Alox 2138F is no more. I figure most of you know that already, but do you know what its replacement is? I found out when a friend sent me to a website for LubriZol Corporation. My buddy sent me a copy of an e-mail he received about the stuff.

Here is the important part:

Alox 350

The Lubrizol Corporation

Lubrizol.com

Contact: Lominack, Edward
ELOM@Lubrizol.com


As you may have suspected, this product is no longer available and has been discontinued. However, we do offer a replacement to this and recommend you consider ALOX® 350. Functionally, ALOX® 350 performs the same as the obsolete 2138F. Please find attached product information for your review.

I should point out that ALOX® 350 is packaged and sold in 55 gallon drums (400 lbs per drum net weight) but a 5 gallon pail variety (approximately 37 lbs net weight) could be made available for an additional charge per pound. To my knowledge, ALOX® 350 is not available via retail outlets and can only be purchased directly from The Lubrizol Corporation, who bought The Alox Corporation, in the late 1990’s.

Product info:

Revised May 2005
The Lubrizol Corporation
29400 Lakeland Boulevard
Wickliffe, OH 44092
Tel: 440-943-4200
Fax: 440-347-1550
www.lubrizol.com
Lubrizol Metalworking Additives
110 Corporate Drive, Suite C
Spartanburg, SC 29303
Tel: 864-578-8966
Fax: 864-578-8277
Lubrizol Deutschland GmbH
Niederlassung Hamburg
Billbrookdeich 157
22113 Hamburg, Germany
Tel: 49 40 73 10 97 0
Fax: 49 40 73 10 97 10
Lubrizol Southeast Asia (Pte) Ltd.
44 Tanjong Penjuru
Singapore 609032
Tel: 65 6264 1644
Fax: 65 6264 2105
ALOX® 350
Rust Preventatives
Oil Soluble
Product Description ALOX 350 is an ester of an oxidized petroleum fraction that is used in
cutting oils as a lubricity agent and for adding mild corrosion inhibition.
When blended with oil soluble sulfonates, it forms an outstanding rust
inhibitor as measured by humidity cabinet performance.
Appearance @ Room Temperature Brown solid
Acid Number (ASTM D-974) 33
Saponification Number (ASTM D-94) 133
Ash (%) (ASTM D-482) 0.2
Drop Melt Point °C(°F) (ASTM D-127) 40(105)
Flash Point °C(°F) (ASTM D-92) 121(250)
Specific Gravity @ 15.6°C (60°F) (ASTM D-4052) 0.92
Weight/Gallon, kg (lb) 3.5(7.7)
Typical Properties
Suggested Applications • As a lubricity agent at 0.5-2.0% in oil.
• As a rust inhibitor at 1.0-5.0% of a blend of seven parts with
three parts sodium petroleum sulfonate in oil or solvent.
• In formulating wire rope dressings for lubricity and corrosion
inhibition.
• Slushing oils for sheet metal stock, in combination with
petroleum sulfonates
• As a corrosion inhibitor (0.01-1.0%) for halogenated solvents
and chlorinated lubricants.
• As a corrosion inhibitor and lubricity agent (0.5-2.0%) in
greases.
Solubility ALOX 350 may not be completely soluble in petroleum oils (naphthenic
or paraffinic). Its solubility is greatly enhanced by the use of lecithin. Oil
soluble sulfonates will generally solubilize it completely at the ratio of 7
parts ALOX 350 to 3 parts sulfonate by volume.
Responsible Care For complete safety, health, personnel protection and first aid
information, please refer to the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS)
that can be ordered via your local Lubrizol Metalworking representative
or regional office listed on this data sheet. Product Data Sheets and
MSDS’ are also available online to registered users at
www.mylubrizol.com.

Big problem is the amount you have to buy and the frieght cost. Maybe a group purchase thing to consider.

StarMetal
01-05-2006, 08:31 PM
fish bait

That's what I heard replaced the old 2138F. Lar45 uses it to make lube too. He will also sell you a small quantity so you don't have to buy a large drum of it.

Joe

Pawpaw
01-05-2006, 08:45 PM
Or, you can buy a bottle of Lee Liquid Alox. Actually, I haven't had to buy any, as they send me a bottle with almost everything I buy. I've got a half-dozen bottles in the shop I haven't even opened yet. I use it as-is for pistol and mix it with beeswax and lard for BP Lube. Or use it as 2138F in your homebrew rifle lube. I don't think it is 2138F, but it sure works good.

gutshot_again
01-06-2006, 01:25 AM
I believe Lee Liquid Alox is Alox 606-55. I think Lee just adds alcohol to thin it and bottles it. I don't know how close 606-55 and 350 are to each other, if they are related at all.

Scrounger
01-06-2006, 01:56 AM
I believe Lee Liquid Alox is Alox 606-55. I think Lee just adds alcohol to thin it and bottles it. I don't know how close 606-55 and 350 are to each other, if they are related at all.

Mineral spirits, not alcohol.

alw700
04-10-2009, 06:26 PM
http://www.lsstuff.com/lube/
These pepole have a very close copy of Lee Alox at a very good price.
I ordered 3 32oz bottles. I cut it 25% with mineral spirits. It works great I use it on all my cast boolets.
Arthur

jdgabbard
04-10-2009, 06:30 PM
http://www.lsstuff.com/lube/
These pepole have a very close copy of Lee Alox at a very good price.
I ordered 3 32oz bottles. I cut it 25% with mineral spirits. It works great I use it on all my cast boolets.
Arthur

Only 25%??? I Dilute mine down to the likeness of ice tea. As least for pistol bullets.

Rockchucker
04-10-2009, 06:58 PM
Only 25%??? I Dilute mine down to the likeness of ice tea. As least for pistol bullets.

I've been cutting it down lately with 50% mineral spirits, Sure make that little bottle go a long way, and now, if I could just get past the smell.

Bret4207
04-10-2009, 07:08 PM
This is the guy you need to talk to. Our own LAR.

http://www.lsstuff.com/index.html

wiljen
04-10-2009, 07:08 PM
606-55HF is the base for LLA - it is cut with High flashpoint spirits to be the consistency they want and to meet the guidelines for combustible materials when shipping rather than flammable. 606-55 counts as a flammable, 606-55HF counts as combustible thus reducing the need for hazmat shipping.

350 is not the same or even very closely related to 606. While they claim 350 as the functional successor to 2138f, it isnt exactly the same. To get a very close approximation of the old 2138f, mix 350 with 7% micro-crystalline wax.

RogerWatsonfromIdaho
04-10-2009, 07:09 PM
fish_bait,

Midway sells Javelina bullet lube which contains Alox 2138F

Javelina Alox Bullet Lube Stick Hollow
Product #: 653882
Ingredients:
50% Alox 2138F
50% USP pure beeswax

cabezaverde
04-10-2009, 07:49 PM
fish_bait,

Midway sells Javelina bullet lube which contains Alox 2138F

Javelina Alox Bullet Lube Stick Hollow
Product #: 653882
Ingredients:
50% Alox 2138F
50% USP pure beeswax

Roger,

This is a stick type lube for use in a lube sizer machine. Would not work well for tumble lubing.

Blammer
04-10-2009, 08:03 PM
what is USP pure beeswax?

specifically what does the USP stand for?

MtGun44
04-10-2009, 08:08 PM
USP is US pure, as in pharmceutical grade, I believe.
Bill

OeldeWolf
04-11-2009, 12:39 AM
USP means basically a pharmaceutical or edible grade. It means that there have been used no solvents or other chemicals in the processing of the material or in its manufacturing process. Reagent grade is more pure, but might contain traces of solvents or other chemicals that could be harmful if swallowed. Technical grade may have harmful residues, and is less pure than reagent grade.

yodar
04-14-2009, 12:15 AM
I rejoice the loss of ALOX.

I TIRE of range offices ******** at me for firing BP in the centerfire range cause NRA 50:50 was too smoky.

I replaced alox with a lithium grease thanks to Adrian Pittfield(a professional caster in Germany) who suggested the recipe (I call it Adrian's Goo) (others call it Lithi-Bee) as the 1 lb Lithium grease to 1 lb Beeswax is a rather soft lube which works fine for all my pistol work up to 1252 fps

yodar

Recluse
04-14-2009, 12:21 AM
Only 25%??? I Dilute mine down to the likeness of ice tea. As least for pistol bullets.

So THAT'S how you get that commie AK so stinking accurate, eh? :idea::razz:[smilie=1:


I've been cutting it down lately with 50% mineral spirits, Sure make that little bottle go a long way, and now, if I could just get past the smell.

On the bottle I thin with just straight alox, I cut it down to around 50% as well. But I actually LIKE the smell of alox. It's a manly, workshop guns & boolits kind of smell.

:coffee:

Echo
04-14-2009, 09:49 AM
USP = US Pharmacopoeia. The Pharmacopoeia is the reference for all thing pharmacological, giving pureness and proportion standards, &cetera. B. Franklin set up the first USP.