Rerun Lloyd Smales 45 Mold GB

[warf73]

This GB will be threw LEE in a 6 cavity Alum mold with no handles.

Boolit specs dai. 454” OAL .692”, Aprox weight 255grs.

Cost will be $62 plus $10.00 shipping for one mold, $12.00 for two molds.

Prices reflects 15 molds order.

Please use the GB web site http://groupbuys.dnsalias.com as I’m running 3 GB’s at the same time.

Please print off your order form & invoice and send it in with your MO, that way I know what GB your in and I have address ready for your mold when they come in.

I will call last call on this GB on Feb 28, 09.

Here is the boolit.

[kooz]

Thanks for rerunning this one, I'm in for two.

[azrednek]

Looks like a perfect match for the 45ACP cylinder in my Ruger convertible. I'll let you know before the deadline.

[ddeaton]

I am in for 1 or 2

[ddeaton]

I am having trouble setting up a login on the GB web site

[45nut]

Just looked and your account there is set up fine,,, send me , wiljen or felix a pm for assistance there.

[ddeaton]

Im squared away and got my invoice printed for 2 of these, thanks

[45Spades]

I am in for 1. Will send funds Monday.

[warf73]

First check arrived.

44452-1

[bearcove]

I'm interested but want to let the bank account recover a little from the holidays.

[warf73]

No problem the GB won't close till end of Feb.

[ddeaton]

funds sent today

[warf73]

Got another check today.

45013-2

[bgokk]

I'm in for one.

[C1PNR]

You guys are making things tough for those of us who rely on the stock market for our 401K income.

Does this one actually cast in the 255 grain range, and about .454 diameter? My 454 423 is about 238 grains and the 454 454 weigh about 264 or so. If this is really in the 255 grain range, it could be a nice addition, if large enough for the Ruger BH.

[xr650]

C1PNR,
I sure hope the market turns around for you. You need to order one of these moulds. [smilie=1:

My mould from the first buy casts:
COWW + 1% tin 258 grs. .454/.455 dia.
50% COWW/50% SOWW + 1% tin 262 grs. .454/.455 dia.

I am considering ordering another one. :twisted:

I am still testing loads in my BH. So far I am real happy.
Works well in Marlin 1894 Cowboy also. I can get 10 rds in the tube, but it is a squeeze. :Fire:

Beside that, it is a real nice looking boolit. :mrgreen:

[warf73]

Got more money today :)

38118-1

[warf73]

Looking good the money is starting to flow.

79925-1

[warf73]

2 more MO's came in today that puts us at 9 molds paid for.

52601-1
80013-2

[warf73]

The 52601 <---- zip code please drop me a PM.

Thanks Warf

[376Steyr]

Money Order for two moulds goes into the mail today. My mould from the first run drops beautiful bullets at .455/.456 with a minimum of fuss. 1/2 WW-1/2 Lead- 2% tin weighs 262 gr with lube. Anybody who even thinks they might have a 45 Colt in their future should get one of these. Thanks for running this Group Buy!

[Hardcast]

I'm still on the fence on this mold. Other than the round grease grove, are there any other major differences bwetween this one and Keith's original mold?

[gunsbrad]

+1 what hardcast said. I am interested but I would like some more info.

thanks
Brad

[Nrut]

Money Order sent 2/7 from V0J3A0...:drinks:

[warf73]

I’m sorry for the answer you are about to receive but here goes.

I don’t know anything about the Keith's original mold. I do know that this design is a shooter as Lloyd Smales was the original person that wanted this design run. This design is his go to design for the 45Colt so that was all I needed to know to honcho this GB.
I’ve cast up around 40 lbs of these boolits and haven’t shot a one. But my dad has and so has his friend and they love it. The only complaint I’ve got was from dad’s friends, he didn’t care for the flat base (he has only reloaded commercial cast till now) much for having to bell the case mouth a bit than with bevel base. But he loves it in his Ruger pistol and wants a few 1k more.

Sorry for not knowing more about the boolit design end of this GB, I’ll drop Lloyd a PM and maybe he will chime in for me.

Thanks Robert

[Hardcast]

I’m sorry for the answer you are about to receive but here goes.

I don’t know anything about the Keith's original mold. I do know that this design is a shooter as Lloyd Smales was the original person that wanted this design run. This design is his go to design for the 45Colt so that was all I needed to know to honcho this GB.
I’ve cast up around 40 lbs of these boolits and haven’t shot a one. But my dad has and so has his friend and they love it. The only complaint I’ve got was from dad’s friends, he didn’t care for the flat base (he has only reloaded commercial cast till now) much for having to bell the case mouth a bit than with bevel base. But he loves it in his Ruger pistol and wants a few 1k more.

Sorry for not knowing more about the boolit design end of this GB, I’ll drop Lloyd a PM and maybe he will chime in for me.

Thanks Robert

Robert,

I'm guessing your post is directed to me. A while back I PM'ed Lloyd about the boolit and asked him if the first run was a good shooter. He told me a little about it, but we did not discuss much about the design details. Thanks.

Neal

[Lloyd Smale]

Im not positive how this mold compares to a true keith. I never really checked it out. I know by looking at it it is about as close as anything else calling itself a keith. this bullet was designed as a copy of the rcbs bullet. Now the problem with the rcbs is two fold. first you can only get it in a two cavity and second theyve made 3 variations of this same bullet through the years and this one cant be bought new anymore. It is by far the best of the three designs. its the best shooting as a matter of fact in my experience it is the only 250 class 45 swc that ive ever had much luck shooting at 25 yards. Another problem with bullets in this weight class for 45 is NONE of them seem to shoot well at long range. Even this out of the rcbs doesnt seem to fly well. Now ive got a good buddy who lives for shooting long range and he bought a couple of these because he was frustrated finding a good long range bullet. He is telling me we got lucky and this one flys. Everytime lee cuts us a group buy they change something, it may be almost to small to notice with your eyes but it doesnt take much at all to change the dynamics of a bullet. Well he reported to me that this might be the majic bullet that flys. hes done some testing and is getting good results. Personaly ive been layed up with back problems and havent even tested it at short range. I do have another friend who has had the chance to shoot it up close and he says its a keeper too. Again i cant gurantee it will shoot in your gun as we all know every gun is its own animal but just the fact that it stabilizes at long range makes me think its going to be a peach of a bullet.

[Hardcast]

Lloyd,

Thanks for the additional info. I guess I better scrounge up some money and get in on this one.

[warf73]

Got a check in today and expecting 1 more maybe 3 ^^. After these checks come in I'll call last call and warp this GB up.

83647-2

[warf73]

Thanks Lloyd for chimming in.


Robert

[kooz]

I've shot several hundred of these thru my guns, and it has been one of the most accurate, if not THE most accurate so far in the 250 weight class. My USFA's love them and will shoot an 1" @ 25 yds if I am doing my part. I tried them in my .45 SBH Hunter that I just got back from Alan Harton, and with the scope in place I was able to basically shoot thru the same hole @25 yds. I have not had a chance to try them at extended ranges yet, but they are certainly very accurate at typical handgun ranges. 9gr/Unique and 7.6-8gr/WW231 are a couple of loads that this bullet really likes .

[denul]

I just placed an order for one , with the check in the mail, through http://groupbuys.dnsalias.com; I hope this is in time- 40741

[warf73]

I just placed an order for one , with the check in the mail, through http://groupbuys.dnsalias.com; I hope this is in time- 40741

Sure is. I'll keep an eye out for it.

Thanks Robert

[Coconino]

I am in the wrong .45 mould GB thread, sorry.

[DuaneH]

One more order incoming...

[Slow Elk 45/70]

I would like to purchase one of these 454 moulds, but the site won't take my member information?????????:confused:

[warf73]

Got another check in today, I'll being calling last call next week.

40741-1

[Dutch4122]

Payment going in the mail today for one mold. Thanks for re-running this design!

Btw, how many orders do we have?

[warf73]

Got another MO today in the mail.

V0J3A0-1

That brings the total of 12 molds paid for.


Warf

[warf73]

Just so everyone knows last call will be 1 week from today. So if you haven't got that MO sent get er done.


Warf

[brionic]

Please mark me down for two. I'll send payment on Monday. Thank you!

[Fowler]

I think I ordered one correctly but I will send in a check this week for one mold if I can figure out where to send the check!

[warf73]

I think I ordered one correctly but I will send in a check this week for one mold if I can figure out where to send the check!

My addy is on the invoice when you print it out.

[warf73]

Got another check Saturday.

61725-1

[brionic]

The invoice is showing $20 shipping for two molds vs. the $12 at the top of the thread - which is correct?

Regards,
--
Brian

[Fowler]

My addy is on the invoice when you print it out.

But it is not in Kansas as your listings say on the left right?

[warf73]

The invoice is showing $20 shipping for two molds vs. the $12 at the top of the thread - which is correct?

Regards,
--
Brian


It's $12.00

[warf73]

But it is not in Kansas as your listings say on the left right?


Not sure what you are seeing on your invoice. All the invoices that I've got has my addy correct.

If you still can't get it to work right drop me a PM and I'll get ya my addy that way.



Warf

[Fowler]

Ok I sorted it out, I had not used the ordering feature here before and it was giving me the wrong guys address in North Carolina. I will get over to the post office in the next day or two for the MO....

[warf73]

Sounds great Fowler. I'll keep an eye out for it.

[warf73]

Recieved another MO today, just to remind anyone waiting till the last min. this GB will close Feb. 28.

48415-1

[brionic]

MO sent out yesterday from 52246. [smilie=1:

Thank you!
--
Brian

[warf73]

One day left till this GB is closed

[Hardcast]

OK Warf, I'm in. Just printed out the invoice on the group buy page. Will mail it to you with a check on Monday. Thanks.

[warf73]

OK Warf, I'm in. Just printed out the invoice on the group buy page. Will mail it to you with a check on Monday. Thanks.

NP Hardcast

This GB is over thanks everyone who has sent there MO's.

I'll deposit the money Friday to let the last of the MO's to come in. The check to Lee will hit the mail the fallowing Mon the 9th.

Thanks everyone.

[warf73]

Another MO.

52246-2

[brionic]

[smilie=1:

[warf73]

Yet another makes it way to me.

72529-2

That brings the count to 18 mold paid for todate.

[Fowler]

I put the check in the mail today from Colorado so it should be to you by the end of the week...

[warf73]

Sounds good to me I'll keep an eye out for it.

Thanks Warf

[warf73]

Got another MO yesterday think we have one more then its done :)

46920-1

[ddeaton]

Need to sell one more mold, or waiting on one more check?

[warf73]

Need to sell one more mold, or waiting on one more check?

Waiting on one more check which came in today :)

80241-1

[warf73]

Sorry for the delay everyone had a small hang up on my end but all is well. The plan is to deposit all the checks/MO's Tuesday and send off the big check to Lee next Monday 3/30.

Here is the final zip code list please let me know if your not here or your zip is wrong.

Thanks everyone for a great turn out on this GB once again :)

44452-1
45013-2
72529-1
79925-1
52601-1
80013-2
83647-2
40741-1
V0J3A0-1
61725-1
48415-1
52246-2
65804-5
46920-1
80241-1
62801-1
67060-1

[warf73]

Just a side note this will be my last GB going threw Lee. I don't mind running GB's but having to hold shipping moneys for 12~14 months donesn't set right with me.

The next GB I run will be threw one of the other mold makers if and when I do another GB.

Thanks everyone, Robert

[bgokk]

Sorry for the delay everyone had a small hang up on my end but all is well. The plan is to deposit all the checks/MO's Tuesday and send off the big check to Lee next Monday 3/30.

Here is the final zip code list please let me know if your not here or your zip is wrong.

Thanks everyone for a great turn out on this GB once again :)

44452-1
45013-2
38118-1
79925-1
52601-1
80013-2
83647-2
40741-1
V0J3A0-1
61725-1
48415-1
52246-2
65804-5
46920-1
80241-1
62801-1
67060-1

This one in red was/should be changed to 72529 for 1.
I will send a PM

[warf73]

It's done ^^.

Thanks

[warf73]

This is the final zip code list.

44452-1
45013-2
72529-1
79925-1
52601-1
80013-2
83647-2
40741-1
V0J3A0-1
61725-1
48415-1
52246-2
65804-5
46920-1
80241-1
62801-1
67060-1
81401-1

Lee has all the stuff in hand and I was told (just 15mins ago) 9~10 month wait is ahead of us.
So we are looking at around Jan or Feb of next year.

Thanks everyone for a great turn out.

Robert

[ddeaton]

9-10 day wait?:coffeecom:kidding:

[bgokk]

Think that this mold might make it for CHRISTmas? :rolleyes:

[lathesmith]

Think that this mold might make it for CHRISTmas?
__________________

bgokk, ha ha, that's funny, fat chance. Nice to see someone else is thinking of this one though, I almost bumped this thread yesterday buy figured no one was watching. Great minds think alike, I guess!
lathesmith

[kooz]

This one should be any day now ?

[warf73]

Guys I really don't think we will see this until Feb 2010, if not later. I was told when Lee got my CC over the phone it was 9~10 month wait.

[warf73]

Molds are here, I'll breal one out and see if they are good to go. Will be Wednesday at the earliest to send them out if the mold checks out good.

[Dutch4122]

That's great news. Keeping my fingers crossed for a successful test cast![smilie=1:

[lathesmith]

Hot Dang(er, I mean Lead), that's great News! The backlog may finally be clearing!

lathesmith

[warf73]

The mold I pulled out looked good. I spayed it out with carb cleaner and put it on top of the pot to let it heat up while the alloy come to temp. Around 8~10 pours I had nice filled out boolits that fell from the mold as I opened them up. I pour another 10 rounds and to see if all was well and to get a decent idea of what the mold could do.
I pulled out 10 boolits and measuer them up and the worst I could find was .001" large on 2 boolits out of 10 and that was on the main band. The rest of the measurments were spot on I used WW alloy that was in my pot and air cooled the boolits.

I've got shipping lables on everything so if this winter blast will hold off til 10am, the molds will be sent out later this morning.


Warf

[warf73]

All molds are sent out.

[bgokk]

Think that this mold might make it for CHRISTmas?
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bgokk, ha ha, that's funny, fat chance. Nice to see someone else is thinking of this one though, I almost bumped this thread yesterday buy figured no one was watching. Great minds think alike, I guess!
lathesmith

Did not expect it before spring.[smilie=1: Now I'll have to melt some lead.[smilie=w:[smilie=w:

ps: this will make 3 GB's coming in at the same time, I will have trouble which one to try first.

[brionic]

Thanks warf, gone mine today :)

--
Brian

[bgokk]

Got mine today's mail. Thanks for handling the GB warf73. It's going down to about 2* below here tonite I just might cast a few.

Do you think that the new mould sources and their quality has been a wakeup call for Lee???
Brooks

[lathesmith]

My molds arrived in great shape today Warf, thanks.



Do you think that the new mould sources and their quality has been a wakeup call for Lee???
Brooks

That's a good question, only time will tell I guess.

lathesmith

[376Steyr]

Mine showed up yesterday, and look good. Thanks for running this!

[ddeaton]

Mine showed up. Looks good. Might be a eliptical illusion, but mine look like they have tooling marks going vertical with the boolit from base to tip. I just got the Cussey 45 LC molds from the Lee group buy that Opentop ran and they look like the best cut Lee molds I have seen so far. I havent cleaned these molds yet, as I got 2 of these, and am not complaining at all. Just an observation and difference that I noticed. I am sure they will cast up fine and I will get some going soon. Thanks for running this!

[bgokk]

Mine showed up. Looks good. Might be a eliptical illusion, but mine look like they have tooling marks going vertical with the boolit from base to tip. I just got the Cussey 45 LC molds from the Lee group buy that Opentop ran and they look like the best cut Lee molds I have seen so far. I havent cleaned these molds yet, as I got 2 of these, and am not complaining at all. Just an observation and difference that I noticed. I am sure they will cast up fine and I will get some going soon. Thanks for running this!

:confused:

[ddeaton]

I am not drinking, I promise. It could have been the light in the basement. I know there is no way to machine a cavity in that direction. I will clean and look closer tomorrow and report.

[denul]

I noticed the same vertical markings on a 44 RNFP group buy that came in a few weeks back. They cast and shoot well, but look a little like the bullets drawings on the Magma Engineering page in back of Handloader magazine. No idea how they'd come about.

[Nrut]

warf73,
I just picked up mine yesterday from the post office.
Thanks for doing this buy.
:drinks:

[denul]

Mine came today; thanks for this.