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KirkD
11-18-2008, 05:40 PM
I met a fellow at family camp in Northern Ontario just over a year ago and he invited me to check out the deer hunting on Manitoulin Island where he lives. So, Friday afternoon, I loaded up the old '97 Suburban and made the eight hour drive. It is a large island along the north shore of Lake Huron.

Since the deer season didn't start until Monday, we launched his boat to go after some big Lake Huron Rainbow Trout, but there was a brisk North wind blowing and the rollers were so large, we had to turn back. We loaded up the boat and launched it again, but this time in an inland lake on the island. It was dadgummed cold, with the temperature just above freezing and that North wind keeping us extra cool. There was no one else crazy enough to be sport fishing that day so we had the lake to ourselves. I managed to catch one Walleye and the other fellow caught one the same size. Here's a photo of mine, a 29 incher .......
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/3855Win/Win-Walleye.jpg

Sunday we went to a church on the Ojibway Wikwemikong reservation. It was my kind of service .... very informal, with the pastor sitting on a stool at the front giving a very good teaching and the people interrupting the pastor from time to time to ask questions. I really enjoyed the informal way they had church and the people seemed to all know each other and care for one another. It was kind of like a big family. I wish a lot more churches were like that. The rest of the day we loafed around, which I don't get to do very often.

Monday morning I hauled myself out of bed at 5:00 am. Just between you and me, I never enjoy getting out of the sack at that unearthly hour, but for deer hunting or fishing, I'll do it voluntarily. By 5:30 we were loading the truck and heading out into the darkness. It was quite a bit below freezing, with a bit of snow giving the ground a dusting. My friend dropped me off at my location, along the edge of a hayfield, and continued on to another place further in the bush. Between trying to stay awake and trying to stay warm with that doggone North wind getting brisker by the day, the time slowly passed. Suddenly, around 9:00 am, I saw a buck making its way toward me from the far corner of the hayfield. The wind was blowing from behind me not directly at the buck, but at a shallow angle from him and I knew he'd smell me sooner or later. I eased the hammer back to full cock and watched him through my Lyman receiver sight as he got nearer. Finally, at 61 yards away (measured later), he stopped and looked at me for a couple seconds and then looked back over his shoulder. I figured I'd better make my move. He was pretty much square on to me, with his head still looking back. I aimed for his chest and squeezed the trigger of Old Savage, my Winchester Model 94 30-30 that was made in 1954. The buck went down on the spot.

I'd forgotten my camera back at the house, so I had to use my iPhone to take a few photos. They aren't the greatest, but you get the picture .....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/3855Win/Win-1st-Buck-Model-94.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/3855Win/Win-1st-Buck.jpg

We went back to my friend's place about mid day and I cleaned and skinned out the eight-point buck. The 150 grain cast RCBS bullet over 25 grains of RL-7 powder had entered the chest, crossed over and stopped under the skin about half way back. Here's a photo of the recovered bullet ....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/3855Win/Bullet.jpg

The bullet was going about 2,220 fps when it left the muzzle. The expanded bullet weighed 133 grains, so it lost about 17 grains, counting the gas check.

2:30 in the afternoon found me back at the edge of the same hayfield. There was the usual temptation to nod off (I get very relaxed in the bush .... kinda like home for me) then with less than a half hour of available light left, I spotted another buck moving at a fast walk along the far edge of the hayfield next to the bush. When he got directly opposite me, he showed no sign of stopping, so I let Old Savage rip once again at a later measured range of 82 yards. The buck took off like there was a pack of howling Banshees on its tail. It cranked a tight 360 degree circle so fast that as it tore around the curve, its body was 45 degrees to the ground. Then it straightened out and tore into the bush at top speed. However, I had seen a rosy patch when he straightened out, on what was the side facing away from me when I shot, so figured the bullet had gone right through both lungs. Sure enough, there were spots of blood on the grass. I began to track the spots of blood on various leaves and trees. It was getting dark, by now, but fortunately, I had one of those fancy head lamps and was still able to pick out spots of blood from time to time. When I couldn't find any, I'd make an educated guess about 20 feet ahead and, sure enough, there was some more blood spots on branches or leaves. About 100 yards from where he'd been hit I found him. Deader than a doornail. This buck also had a small eight point rack and was a little heavier than the first one. Upon cleaning and skinning him this evening, I saw that the bullet had gone through both lungs, just forward of the diaphram. This time I had my normal camera; here's a couple photos .....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/3855Win/Win-2nd-buck-gun.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/3855Win/Win-2nd-Buck.jpg

Today I headed back home with two bucks in the back of the old Suburban. Two bullets, two eight-point bucks. I have to confess, though, that I had fired off between 200 and 300 rounds practicing for a couple months before hunting season, so I guess, strictly speaking, it wasn't really two bullets. Good thing I reload with cast bullets (cheap like Borscht). I had a great time practicing with this little 30-30 carbine and an even better time this weekend, harvesting those two Whitetail deer.

Maineboy
11-18-2008, 05:57 PM
Great story and great pics! Thanks. I've been hunting for 2 weeks now and have seen a few deer but nothing with horns. There is one big bruiser hanging around though. I hope to cross paths with him before the season's over.

Leadforbrains
11-18-2008, 06:04 PM
Man !!! Awsome hunt and an awsome write up. I love successful hunting stories like this. Nice bucks and rifle as well. Congrats on the deer and the cast boolit performance.

waksupi
11-18-2008, 06:41 PM
A very good outing! Congratulations!

6pt-sika
11-18-2008, 06:56 PM
Very nice and congrats :bigsmyl2:

Blammer
11-18-2008, 07:31 PM
outstanding! looks like you had a great time!

Ben
11-18-2008, 07:45 PM
I thought you had to have a 458 BIGBOOMINGMAGNUM with full metal cased bullets to killed a white tailed deer.

I didn't know it could be done with a 30/30 Win. and a 150 gr. cast bullet ? ? ?

Ben

KirkD
11-18-2008, 08:03 PM
Ben, that reminds me .... the friend with whom I was hunting was advised to purchase a 7 mm Remington Magnum, which he did. All I said was, 'the deer will have no problem falling down when it is hit!'

MT Gianni
11-18-2008, 08:39 PM
Nice deer and let me be the first to say it "NICE WALLEYE". Gianni

9.3X62AL
11-18-2008, 10:05 PM
Whatta GREAT trip! I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only whacko launching boats after trout in sub-freezing weather.

Dale53
11-18-2008, 10:24 PM
Great trip, story, and pictures. Looks like that camera phone did a fine job!

I have fly fished in cold Michigan weather for Salmon (wading chest deep) and have had several really nice trips. I have also had some COLD weather when chasing the elusive deer.

Good show and thanks for sharing with us.

Dale53

Nardoo
11-19-2008, 12:03 AM
Thanks for the entertaining story. I felt like I was right there with you when you pulled the trigger. Good eating there.

Nardoo

fatnhappy
11-19-2008, 12:10 AM
Did that magnum have a belt?

That's one of the best stories I've read on an online forum in months. Congrats on a good hunt.

Larry Gibson
11-19-2008, 02:02 AM
Excellent hunt, good shooting and well done with cast bullets. What alloy if i might ask?

Larry Gibson

Bret4207
11-19-2008, 03:35 AM
Great job, great story, great memory for you both. Thank you!

KirkD
11-19-2008, 05:06 AM
Excellent hunt, good shooting and well done with cast bullets. What alloy if i might ask?

Larry Gibson
Larry, I wish I knew. This particular batch of bullets was cast for me by a local fellow who is not all that consistent in his alloy or casting quality, which drove me to the decision to start casting for myself. I've since began casting for myself but, thus far, have only cast my own 45-70 and 38-40 bullets. I plan to get an RCBS 180 grain mould for my 30-30, as I usually prefer heavier bullets if given a choice.

I must also confess that I was not totally happy with my shot on the second buck. Although through both lungs, it was a little further back than I had aimed. Last night I did some calculations. Moving along at a brisk walk like he was, and at 82 yards, he would have moved forward at least 8 inches by the time my bullet reached him. I've dropped another buck with my 38-55 on a different year that was running flat out, but I aimed 3 feet in front of him. This time, since this buck was only walking briskly, I did not lead him at all, which I now see was a mistake. Still, the one shot did the job, but I now realize that a person must adjust his shot for even a walking deer.

stillhunter
11-20-2008, 07:14 PM
I would suggest that you go with the Lyman 311291. It is a consistantly good performer in both the 30-30 and the 30-06, of which I have several. Nice shooting over open sights, my eyes arn't good enuf any more. Just jealous..!!

jnovotny
11-20-2008, 07:34 PM
nothin more satisfien than doig it with a boolit made by you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Larry Gibson
11-20-2008, 08:02 PM
KirkD

Thanks for the answer even if you didn't know. I've the RCBS 30-150-FN and also the GB 314-150-WFN. Both, cast of WWs +2& tin, shoot well in both my M94s (carbine and rifle). I've been pushing both a a tudge over 1900 fps with 18 gr 4759 w/dacron filler out of the rifle. Accuracy is very good (about as good as it's going to get with the aperture rear and bead front ...need to switch to a post). I'm thinking that either bullet cast of WWs + 50% lead and a slight HP made with the Forster 1/8the tool should do well on deer. I've not tried stepping either up to 2100+ fps but might give that a try too. I've always my 31141HP to fall back to as it never lets me down.

Larry Gibson

Bigjohn
11-20-2008, 11:53 PM
Damn fine shootin' and a damn fine story there, Kirk. Well done.

I last time I went fishing was on the ocean (Southern) and I almost provided the 'burley' for the trip. We did get five very nice fish Salmon if I recall, before they head up the river for the last time to spawn.

Now that you have done that Kirk, you will have to keep up the good work.

John.

dale clawson
11-21-2008, 12:35 AM
May I suggest Lee's 170 gr. 311 FP and that same 25 gr. R-7. I size .311 and lube with 50/50 with a little carnuba added. Works well for me. DALE

KirkD
11-21-2008, 05:22 AM
Some good suggestions for moulds here. A friend of mine sent me a selection of different cast bullets and different sizings. For my particular Model 94, the ww- water quenched, 180 grain RCBS gave outstanding results .... around 7/8" group at 100 yards using 27 grains of IMR 3031. I'd like to quit using 3031, however, and use RL-7 because I've found that RL-7 meters much more consistently through my powder measure.

NHlever
11-21-2008, 07:28 AM
Thanks so much for sharing the story, and pictures! I can't hunt as much as I would like to this year, and enjoyed sharing your hunt with you. It also renews the faith in the old, reliable guns, and loads that I enjoy using so much!

eka
11-21-2008, 09:43 AM
That's an awesome post. Thanks so much for sharing it. So, far the deer are pitching me a shutout. You're hunting with my kinda rifle. This year I'm using my Marlin 1894 44 Mag. with a Lyman peep. I have no doubt that the 240 gr. RCBS SWC atop 23 gr. of H110 will carry the mail, when the time comes. Enjoy that venison.

Keith

JDL
11-21-2008, 02:15 PM
Most excellent Kirk, I enjoyed being on your hunt.
The RCBS 30-180 FN is my best boolit for my .30-30s, except for the 1961 Marlin with it's oversized bore. That one gets the Lyman 311407 which drops at .313" or the LBT 165 LFN at .311". Mr. John Kort suggested using H-414 with the heavier boolits and I have found 35 grains with the RCBS air cooled w/w boolit produces good accuracy just shy of 2000 fps. Haven't shot a deer with it yet, but I imagine that 187 grain boolit will work in fine fashion since the slightly lighter Lyman 31141 does.
JDL

DUKE NUKEM
11-21-2008, 10:49 PM
Wow! That was a great write! Thanks for sharing that.

missionary5155
11-22-2008, 02:43 AM
KirkD Congradulations ! What a Joy that all must be stored away in the memory ... and to get to start off with Godīs People !

gon2shoot
11-23-2008, 03:57 PM
Good goin Kirk, and nice write up.
Good to see you over here at CB. These guys will tell you which mold, and which alloy to make your kill, then help you eat it!

mdatlanta
11-24-2008, 01:00 PM
Kirk,

Congratulations! And thanks for sharing a great story.

Mike