Any of you considering ordering

[madcaster]

a case or two of black powder right now?
Soon as my next money comes in,I am planning on a case of Holy Black-3fg,for my "Appalachain Mountain Azzault Wiffled Gwun."
Bullshop tawt me ta spewl,dontcha know![smilie=1::coffee:

[Bullshop]

Yup n its bout time ya lernt real American english.
BIC/BS

[lucky1s]

You know something about the future powder supply? I might stock up, please advise! Lucky1s

[John Taylor]

Better check with your local laws, some places have a limit on how much you can have and how it is stored.

[madcaster]

Lucky1s,
I have no ideal on the supply of Goex,it is just a thought,maybe to get some of the rest of you to thinking.

[lucky1s]

It's working! Maybe your right...I do have a question though. How would I store a large quantity of black powder. I only have 2 cans right now and it's just stored in the safe with the regular ammo. There's not room in there for a multitude of powder cans. I'm not sure I would want that much powder stored in the gun room anyway...nervous nelly, I rekon. Any advice for storage of a case of Goex? Thanks, Lucky1s

[madcaster]

In a gun safe is good,or maybe just a few cans scattered in it-I use a camping cooler in an outbuilding and keep the lid closed good.
Be careful,there is a danger of a fire and you surely do NOT want the house exploding nor family nor firefighters hurt!:(

[SPRINGFIELDM141972]

Just some food for thought, These excepts are from 18 USC 40.

Public Law 93-639, approved January 4, 1975, amended the language contained in 18 U.S.C. § 845(a)(5) which had excepted any "black powder in quantities not to exceed five pounds", from the law. This amendment:

Removed Federal controls over commercially manufactured black powder in quantities of 50 pounds or less (and other items specified therein) intended to be used solely for sporting, recreational, or cultural purposes in antique firearms or antique devices, thereby removing black powder acquired under this exemption from all Federal regulations under Part 55;
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SS 55.210 Construction of type 4 magazines.
A type 4 magazine is a building, igloo, or "Army-type structure," tunnel, dugout, box, trailer, or a semitrailer or other mobile magazine.

(a) Outdoor magazines.

(1) General. Outdoor magazines are to be fire-resistant, weather-resistant, and theft-resistant. The ground around outdoor magazines must slope away for drainage or other adequate drainage be provided. When unattended, vehicular magazines must have wheels removed or otherwise be effectively immobilized by kingpin locking devices or other methods approved by the Director.
(2) Construction. Outdoor magazines are to be constructed of masonry, metal- covered wood, fabricated metal, or a combination of these materials. Foundations are to be constructed of brick, concrete, cement block, stone, or metal or wood posts. If piers or posts are used, in lieu of a continuous foundation, the space under the building is to be enclosed with fire- resistant material. The walls and floors are to be constructed of, or covered with, a nonsparking material or lattice work. The doors must be metal or solid wood covered with metal.
(3) Hinges and hasps. Hinges and hasps are to be attached to doors by welding, riveting, or bolting (nuts on inside of door). Hinges and hasps must be installed so that they cannot be removed when the doors are closed and locked.
(4) Locks. Each door is to be equipped with:
(I) Two mortise locks;
(II) Two padlocks fastened in separate hasps and staples;
(iii) A combination of a mortise lock and a padlock;
(iv) A mortise lock that requires two keys to open; or,
(v) A three-point lock.

EDITOR'S NOTES:
1. A five-blade lock also meets requirements.
2. Mobile outdoor magazines need have only one lock, and no hood is required.


Padlocks must have at least five tumblers and a case-hardened shackle of at least 3/8 inch diameter. Padlocks must be protected with not less than 1/4 inch steel hoods constructed so as to prevent sawing or lever action on the locks, hasps, and staples. These requirements do not apply to magazine doors that are adequately secured on the inside by means of a bolt, lock, or bar that cannot be actuated from the outside.

(b) Indoor magazines.

(1) General. Indoor magazines are to be fire-resistant and theft-resistant. They need not be weather-resistant if the buildings in which they are stored provide protection from the weather.
No indoor magazine is to be located in a residence or dwelling. The indoor storage of low explosives must not exceed a quantity of 50 pounds. More than one indoor magazine may be located in the same building if the total quantity of explosive materials stored does not exceed 50 pounds. Detonators that will not mass detonate must be stored in a separate magazine and the total number of electric detonators must not exceed 5,000.
(2) Construction. Indoor magazines are to be constructed of masonry, metal- covered wood, fabricated metal, or a combination of these materials. The walls and floors are to be constructed of, or covered with, a nonsparking material. The doors must be metal or solid wood covered with metal.
(3) Hinges and hasps. Hinges and hasps are to be attached to doors by welding, riveting, or bolting (nuts on inside of door). Hinges and hasps must be installed so that they cannot be removed when the doors are closed and locked.
(4) Locks. Each door is to be equipped with:
(I) Two mortise locks;
(II) Two padlocks fastened in separate hasps and staples;
(iii) A combination of a mortise lock and a padlock;
(iv) A mortise lock that requires two keys to open; or,
(v) A three-point lock.

EDITOR'S NOTE: A five-blade lock also meets requirements.


Padlocks must have at least five tumblers and a case-hardened shackle of at least 3/8 inch diameter. Padlocks must be protected with not less than 1/4 inch steel hoods constructed so as to prevent sawing or lever action on the locks, hasps, and staples. Indoor magazines located in secure rooms that are locked as provided in this subparagraph may have each door locked with one steel padlock (which need not be protected by a steel hood) having at least five tumblers and a case-hardened shackle of at least 3/8 inch diameter, if the door hinges and lock hasps are securely fastened to the magazine.
These requirements do not apply to magazine doors that are adequately secured on the inside by means of a bolt, lock, or bar that cannot be actuated from the outside.

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j) It shall be unlawful for any person to store any explosive material in a manner not in conformity with regulations promulgated by the Secretary. In promulgating such regulations, the Secretary shall take into consideration the class, type, and quantity of explosive materials to be stored, as well as the standards of safety and security recognized in the explosives industry

[mazo kid]

IIRC, black powder increased in price on Oct. 1. I meant to order a case before then, but kept putting it off so guess I am stuck with the higher price - whatever that is. It's still a lot cheaper than any other powder used for muzzle loading purposes, and all I EVER use. Regarding the magazine issue, in Wis. we can store/posses up to 50 pounds of black with out the powder magazine.

[eka]

Jeff, give me a shout when you are ready to do it. I'll probably throw in with you. There's another guy down this way that has in the past expressed an interest as well.

Keith

[Wayne Smith]

Are you guys buying Goex or Swiss? I could use some of either, FFG Goex or Cartridge Swiss.

[shooting on a shoestring]

Storing black can be a good thing.

Dad's machine shop burned several years ago, late at night. There was a boom when his half dozen cans of Goex did what they do best. The fire department arrived and found the overhead doors laying the driveway and the window panes gone. They saved the wooden structure. The Cheif said the Goex "vented" the fire and dropped the temperature. Thats the first step firefighters do, the open up the building and let out the hot gases, lower the temperature and slow the fire. It really worked.

I keep several pounds in my shop as a safety feature to protect my structure in case of fire. I also find it useful in very long firearms.