22-70-GC group buy Rerun

[DAFzipper]

How about a rerun of the 22-70-GC mould?
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=12003&highlight=223+mould
Pic is on post 99

[Scrounger]

Rerun? This idea has been floated twice and died early in pregnancy both times. I want one if it ever happens.

[felix]

You need to be the honcho for it, Art. ... felix

[trickyasafox]

correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Lee didn't want to cut em that small- and that alone prices a lot of people out of the market. think they'd give it a run?

[Scrounger]

That's right, Lee wouldn't do it. We could go with NEI but it'd cost more money.

[jameslovesjammie]

Did anyone check with Old West?

[Scrounger]

Did anyone check with Old West?

Not that I know of... Please check with them.

[jameslovesjammie]

Email sent to Old West today.

[jameslovesjammie]

Got a reply back from Old West. His response was:

James
I have a 70 grain gas check .22 deign already in fact am shipping one out today. I usually make this in a three cavity mould on double cavity blocks. $95.00. Blocks take RCBS or Lee commercial handles ($18) and I usually use flat rate shipping at $10.50
bernie
Old West Bullet Moulds

I asked him if he could send me a picture of the mould cavity. This may save us some time on a Group Buy.

[Four Fingers of Death]

Lee said they didn't want to do anything smaller than 270cal.

Would this stabilise in 12" and 14 1/2" twists?

[DAFzipper]

Can't wait to see the pic. It sounds good to me.

[jameslovesjammie]

Pics as requested.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c129/jameslovesjammie/gun%20stuff/Casting%20Stuff/22calpics.jpg

[Buckshot]

Lee said they didn't want to do anything smaller than 270cal.

Would this stabilise in 12" and 14 1/2" twists?

..............Maybe in the 12". No way in the 14.5" . My Savage 223 is a 12" twist and it will stabilize a 69gr.

.............Buckshot

[DAFzipper]

I think the 70 grain would be a better choice for me. Lets get a Honcho and get this one going! The last 22 thread has been going on way to long with no result.

[richbug]

..............Maybe in the 12". No way in the 14.5" . My Savage 223 is a 12" twist and it will stabilize a 69gr.

.............Buckshot


MY CZ with a 12 twist will just stabilize the Speer jacketed 70RN, but takes 2900 fps to do so. The lead boolit is going to be longer than the jacket one, length is your enemy, not weight.

[felix]

Also, remember this: Lead all the way to the outside of the boolit will LESSEN the twist requirement, when boolit versus bullet are the same lengths. For example, thick-based jacketed bullets will never shoot as good as thin-based jacked bullets with marginal twists. However, more jacket material up near the nose is not as significant as down near the base. Some versions take this to advantage to increase the bearing surface while keeping the center of gravity towards the base. Likewise, keeping lube groove(s) more towards the nose keeps things in check for the boolit design when twist is critical. ... felix

[jameslovesjammie]

I've had a couple of pm's about the Old West 70 grain, so I shot an email off to Bernie. I'm checking on the exact nose shape, number of lube grooves, overall length, and bearing surface length. To me the bullet looks like a round nose, but if it is a flat point, I also asked the size of the meplat.

I have to say that it has been wonderful dealing with Bernie through email. He replies very quickly and is extremely professional and helpful. I've seen a couple of his brass moulds in a few different posts and his workmanship seems to be top notch.

[SwedeNelson]

Plus one for me.

Bernie has been great to work with.
Have one of his 2 cavity molds cut with 3 cavity's.
A 50Gr. and two 60Gr. 22's.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/Picture051-1.jpg

Cast real good.
Haven't had time to shoot yet.

Swede Nelson

[jameslovesjammie]

Back with more info from Bernie.

"James
60 grain bullet is round nose three shallow grease grooves .690" long .400" bearing with gas check and will cast .224" 70 grain bullet is flat point .700" long .430" bearing gas check installed with one narrow and one wide grease groove and a long gas check shank-will carry additional lube in front of gas check and casts about .226" in a hard alloy & both bullets have a little bore ride.
Bernie"

[trickyasafox]

think these could function in a 1 in 9 twist?

[DAFzipper]

I'm in for 1 70 grain mold

[jameslovesjammie]

DAFzipper,

If you're wanting the 70 grain Old West mould, all you have to do is contact Bernie. His website is here: http://www.oldwestbulletmoulds.com/ Use the allisonmonument email address. Let him know you're interested in the 70 grain .22 cal bullet mould that he has been in correspondence with James Kibbe about. He'll get one out for you in no time!

[DAFzipper]

Sent in my order to Old West Bullet Moulds. I'll update when it comes in. He said 3 to 4 weeks. Way better than the Lee 7-12 months! I'm in the BD 45 group buy and we are approaching the 8 month mark!

[OLPDon]

Of course I'm in on this but does this mean we have now KILLED this good old friend (post)?
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?p=459755#post459755

I hope not it's been here forever.
Don

[felix]

I think we need to append this thread with the other one, just like you say for prosperity sake. ... felix

[OLPDon]

Felix I for one agree or make the old one a sticky
Don

[PatMarlin]

Ha,ha... don't worry brothers. I won't let the old thread die cause I'm on a mission now to make my marlette idea work in some capacity.

Darn nice mold from Bernie. I wish I would have known that before I ordered the NEI I have. I'm scared to cast with it, eventhough it maybe a fine mold. Think I'm gonna put it on feabay.

[part_timer]

How does the brass mold hold up over time?